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I've decided the funniest and therefore best next labour leader would be Jeremy corbyn. Let's get punished jez in there to expel the melts then retire. RUN YOU COWARD.
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https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1390919794627686400 I'll take Mixed Messaging for 500 points, please.
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May 8, 2021 07:43
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Honestly English Labour getting absolutely rinsed under Starmer, while Welsh Labour under Drakeford achieve one of their best results ever is basically the perfect outcome of this election. Labour have legitimately suffered the most where the Labour right is in charge and done best where it's either the left or centre left are running things. I don't see how it can be seen as anything but a repudation of Starmer's whole (lack of a) programme.
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May 8, 2021 07:48
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Can't stop lolling at how utterly useless the Sensible Grownups have turned out to be. The levels of vacuousness are truly breathtaking.
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May 8, 2021 07:49
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There were quite a few hot takes on what we'd like to happen to Labour now. What do you think will ACTUALLY happen in the wake of all this?
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May 8, 2021 07:54
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Honestly English Labour getting absolutely rinsed under Starmer, while Welsh Labour under Drakeford achieve one of their best results ever is basically the perfect outcome of this election. The Guardian are leading with Khalid Mahmood quitting because the Cabinet are too woke and The Times are talking about how ideological purity matters more to Labour than voters. The lessons we think are obvious are not the ones the media or the party have any interest in learning. The only actual dialogue that will come out of this is culture war.
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May 8, 2021 07:55
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Bobby Deluxe posted:. I assume they think this because in their day, renting meant living in a council house while now it mean's paying somebody else's mortgage for them.
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May 8, 2021 07:59
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1965917 posted:There were quite a few hot takes on what we'd like to happen to Labour now. Absolutely no changes whatsoever
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May 8, 2021 07:59
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1965917 posted:There were quite a few hot takes on what we'd like to happen to Labour now.
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May 8, 2021 08:00
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1965917 posted:There were quite a few hot takes on what we'd like to happen to Labour now. Probably not a lot straight away. With no general election due for a while, the official response will probably be a flurry of focus groups resulting in a slick new rebranding, while they carry on with business as usual in the background. Knives will be quietly sharpened, but I don't see them actually being used unless Labour gets demolished in a future by election.
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May 8, 2021 08:04
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Tsietisin posted:Absolutely no changes whatsoever Yeah, I fully expect Labour to blindly continue its zombie march into oblivion.
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May 8, 2021 08:06
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1965917 posted:There were quite a few hot takes on what we'd like to happen to Labour now. Labour will spend all their remaining money on focus groups of Tories they rounded up who will tell them they don't trust Kier because he's too "woke". To redress this the party will set up a photo op where kieth tries to sink a boat of refugees in the channel but he will end up sinking the new royal yacht instead, further alienating everyone.
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May 8, 2021 08:09
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I actually don’t think Starmer will last that much longer. I think these results undermine him too critically, and leave him with too much baggage, even for the centrist/right part of the party. That BBC interview is not an artefact of someone who will hold their position for years to come. His brand is now: (1) can’t communicate a vision; and (2) turns off voters. If he manages to hold on, it will be because the Labour right can’t identify better options. While I know their number one priority is to keep the left out of power, they know their best shot of doing that is to offer something that can be spun as electoral success.
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May 8, 2021 08:24
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Don't underestimate the sheer power of inertia in Labour. They hung onto Ed Miliband for years, despite clear evidence that the public saw him as sub-par.
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May 8, 2021 08:35
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i suppose you can never see the future and a party leader can suddenly gain lots of popularity if they capitalise on some future event but starmers already completely wasted a world wide deadly pandemic so
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May 8, 2021 08:40
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1965917 posted:There were quite a few hot takes on what we'd like to happen to Labour now. Kieth will bumble on to the next election where he will get absolutely rinsed by Johnson, barring Johnson properly loving up and being caught on camera doing Coke with hookers or having dead bodies under his patio or something
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May 8, 2021 08:49
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Pistol_Pete posted:Don't underestimate the sheer power of inertia in Labour. They hung onto Ed Miliband for years, despite clear evidence that the public saw him as sub-par. Ed did say least have periods where he had a significant lead in the polls. Remember there was a lot of expectation that Labour would come out of 2015 as the largest party.
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May 8, 2021 08:51
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smellmycheese posted:barring Johnson properly loving up and being caught on camera doing Coke with hookers or having dead bodies under his patio or something Bozza Legend!!
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May 8, 2021 08:58
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I had a random thought last night that to rid the world of rapacious, callous neoliberalism and replace it with social democracy, it would take a massive global black swan event that would unfortunately cost a lot of lives. Then I thought about it a bit harder and went welp. 
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May 8, 2021 08:59
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peanut- posted:The Guardian are leading with Khalid Mahmood quitting because the Cabinet are too woke and The Times are talking about how ideological purity matters more to Labour than voters. What they are saying publicly and in print won't be what they are actually thinking. I think these results are considerably worse than what everyone in charge of Labour was expecting, and it will seriously damage the authority of Starmer, his team, and people like Mandelson who advised him. It'll help disillusion some in Labour who might have genuinely thought Starmer's brand of weak centrism was a path back to power, and hopefully start the long process of re-energising the few remaining socialists. The successes of Labour in Wales and Preston will help with that. I don't think it's going to provoke any overnight change with the exception of a shadow cabinet reshuffle and a further performative crackdown on "the Left" which will change nothing. I do think it's 50/50 now whether Starmer leads into a general election. And you might see signs of some centrists who genuinely wanted power starting to abandon Labour and take up cushy jobs elsewhere.
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May 8, 2021 09:31
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Soylent Yellow posted:With no general election due for a while, the official response will probably be a flurry of focus groups resulting in a slick new rebranding, while they carry on with business as usual in the background. Introducing: lbr And our new logo which is a red triangle. This new identity captures our vision in a way that the old-fashioned musty rose didn't, appealing to our customers with a forward-looking outlook that looks to the future and combines the synergy of cooperation with the togetherness of unity. No Corbyns.
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May 8, 2021 09:42
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jabby posted:What they are saying publicly and in print won't be what they are actually thinking. I think these results are considerably worse than what everyone in charge of Labour was expecting, and it will seriously damage the authority of Starmer, his team, and people like Mandelson who advised him. It'll help disillusion some in Labour who might have genuinely thought Starmer's brand of weak centrism was a path back to power, and hopefully start the long process of re-energising the few remaining socialists. The successes of Labour in Wales and Preston will help with that. I endorse this analysis and share this hope. I fear Mandy will be around for a good while yet though, he seems like a typical middle management bully and simply put I don't think my of the centrists have the personality to face him down.
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May 8, 2021 09:46
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jabby posted:What they are saying publicly and in print won't be what they are actually thinking. I think these results are considerably worse than what everyone in charge of Labour was expecting, and it will seriously damage the authority of Starmer, his team, and people like Mandelson who advised him. It'll help disillusion some in Labour who might have genuinely thought Starmer's brand of weak centrism was a path back to power, and hopefully start the long process of re-energising the few remaining socialists. The successes of Labour in Wales and Preston will help with that. This all relies on the people in power recognising reality and they don't want to do that. History will say that Jeremy Corbyn killed the Labour party because the people who have actually killed it have decided that's the case.
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May 8, 2021 09:49
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smellmycheese posted:Kieth will bumble on to the next election where he will get absolutely rinsed by Johnson, barring Johnson properly loving up and being caught on camera doing Coke with hookers or having dead bodies under his patio or something Looking forward to Starmer doing a photo op in a B&Q to criticise the choice of paving slabs Boris buried the bodies under
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Gonzo McFee posted:This all relies on the people in power recognising reality and they don't want to do that. I think the slight issue with this is that if it were the case then starmer wouldn't have lost half of labour's vote share. There are clearly quite a lot of people who liked what corbyn was selling and absolutely hate what starmer is offering. And the more he fucks up I think the harder it will be to make that narrative stick. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 09:59 on May 8, 2021 |
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May 8, 2021 09:56
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OwlFancier posted:I think the slight issue with this is that if it were the case then starmer wouldn't have lost half of labour's vote share. There are clearly quite a lot of people who liked what corbyn was selling and absolutely hate what starmer is offering. They're just going to keep hammering that Corbyn was the problem until people accept it through just hearing it so often repeated.
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May 8, 2021 09:58
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Gonzo McFee posted:They're just going to keep hammering that Corbyn was the problem until people accept it through just hearing it so often repeated. Except I don't think that is what is happening, starmer is just getting less and less popular as time goes on, and losing more and more of his institutional support. At some point he is just screaming about invisible corbyns and looks like a fool to more and more people.
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May 8, 2021 10:00
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/robpowellnews/status/1390919794627686400 I think we're meant to think that Welsh success is all down to Suhkeef while English failure is because of crobum and his legions of twitter shitposters
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May 8, 2021 10:03
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OwlFancier posted:Except I don't think that is what is happening, starmer is just getting less and less popular as time goes on, and losing more and more of his institutional support. It's because the Labour right hear "you need to stop fighting amongst yourselves" and go "yes, it's disgusting how the left keep resisting, obviously people want us to purge harder"
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May 8, 2021 10:10
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it’s quite impressive how labour managed to find the one most unqualified candidate possible to run for a by-election, the metaphorical labrador with a rosette would have done twice as well
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May 8, 2021 10:11
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OwlFancier posted:And that someone was karl marx, as this is literally his view of it. There are two classes, the working class, who are required to sell their labour, and the bourgeoisie, who make their money by owning things and using that ownership to force other people to give them a portion of the value they create by labouring. A footballer cannot foot ball profitably without entering into a contract with a football club and league, because the clubs and leagues own the means by which the foot baller can produce value, thus the people who own the clubs and leagues get rich by exploiting the labour of the footballer. I'm wondering, aren't (premier league) footballers and like CEOs and other extremely high salaried "workers" effectively petit bourgeoisie? if you've got millions of pounds in the bank that represents a claim on future production and they more than likely own enormous amounts of stocks and shares which is actual direct ownership of the means of production e: like they're not really living off their work after a certain point, they could stop working forever and survive off unearned income generated by their current wealth and the wealth itself XMNN fucked around with this message at 10:16 on May 8, 2021 |
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May 8, 2021 10:14
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MikeCrotch posted:It's because the Labour right hear "you need to stop fighting amongst yourselves" and go "yes, it's disgusting how the left keep resisting, obviously people want us to purge harder" Can't fight among ourselves if it's only me here.
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May 8, 2021 10:15
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May 8, 2021 10:23
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Ms Adequate posted:Excuse me but Lady Dimitrescu is 9'6" 
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May 8, 2021 10:23
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Guavanaut posted:Why did I predict you'd have an extremely specific reply to that post? The US "special relationship" would take on an extremely different meaning that's for sure.
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May 8, 2021 10:28
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My internet experience today is alternating between seeing horny posting about the big tiddy large body vampire lady and Hartlepool takes. COINCIDENCE
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May 8, 2021 10:37
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Introducing: lbr That's some out of the box, blue sky thinking there. I think we should take a deep dive analysis of the results to identify our key learning points. Tap me up for a thought shower later, I have a window at 3
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May 8, 2021 10:37
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We should run it up the flagpole and see who salutes, but kieth is currently wrapped in all of the flags, drunk and mumbling.
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That footballers earn so much is an outcome of the commodification of human labour. In the highly competitive world of football, only a rare kind of human can produce top quality ticket sales and merchandise sales. Their scarcity, combined with the glut of teams that would want them, causes a bidding war. It is a stark reminder that your worth in this system is purely whether you are worth something to the bourgeois.
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