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I'm finding this whole "Boris getting a CCJ" event very funny, it seems like the sort of grotty pleb thing that would really irritate him. Bet he ends up strong-arming the courts into dismissing it for him without legal cause. https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1392479041916215300?s=20 E: 80 looks a bit like Homer if you dress it up all fancy ~(_8^0
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Lungboy posted:Am I right in thinking GPs are different; that that they own their practises, are independent of the NHS and contract out to the NHS for business? They can be partners in a practice where this is true but a lot are salaried and paid by the owner of a practice or a company like virgin. Most GPs aren't making the kind of money the daily mail are always implying they do either despite the stories they used to run about the few who are making 300k.
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Algol Star posted:I find it hilarious how now that younger generations are fully dependant on inheritance to maybe ever own a house there's been a noticeable uptick among people I know's elderly relatives suddenly deciding 'i can't take it with me' and that the only sensible thing to do is to spend all their money and enjoy their last years. Literally a generation that hoarded wealth to the point it broke the economy and then said gently caress it and spaffed it all away on leisure once their descendants were fully dependant. It's also probably going to become sharply relevant at some point soon (if it isn't already) that the younger generations are broadly getting paid less, have less valuable pensions and smaller homes (if they own), so will be less able to support elderly relatives themselves as well.
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The Tories are smart enough to insure their lead with the changing demographics. They have a focus on youth jobs, green energy, and all this 'generation buy' posturing. Boris stressed "One Nation" Conservatives. That's the Tory paternalism faction, the one whose policy is to dig into its pockets by the bare minimum amount required to achieve a detente in any strained class relations. The only purpose is to prevent any actual threat to their rule or incomes. If there isn't a strong opposition or a strong working class actually mounting a threat, the paternalists have no reason to make their appeasement. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 18:06 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 18:00
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I'm just reading that link? What the 'eck is a "Bum Fight"? sounds like the kind of thing this thread would enjoy. Ed: Put this reply here from further down the thread as I really didn't get Bum = Homeless person (I mean I have heard it used like that but didn't grok in that article). IllusionistTrixie posted:Consider "bum" an Americanism for homeless person, and it gets a lot less fun. Yes, its an actual "blood sport" yes it really happens. quote:One of the original masterminds of the plan, a certain Larry Pendarvis, had written of his intention to create a space honoring the freedom to “traffic organs, the right to hold duels, and the God-given, underappreciated right to organize so-called bum fights.” He had also bemoaned the persecution of the “victimless crime” that is “consensual cannibalism.” Also: quote:The precise numbers are hard to pin down, but ultimately the town’s population of a little more than 1,100 swelled with 200 new residents, overwhelmingly men, with very strong opinions and plenty of guns. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:33 on May 12, 2021 |
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May 12, 2021 18:11
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goddamnedtwisto posted:You're somehow getting wronger. These people *can vote now*. All you need to vote at the moment is an address permanent enough to get post at to register (and there are even options for those without even that). I think you are using the word ‘can’ in the sense it is used in the phrase ‘they can found an internet startup company and become a billionaire’. Maybe they could, but politics is based on whether they do. You are quite right that the barriers in currently in place can usually be surmounted by several hours of concerted effort, similar to that required to switch a phone or energy supply contract. And that has to be repeated once per election. For the same effort, anyone who can naturally vote (because the council sends them a card) can easily (if illegally) pick up a second or third vote. And how many people actually bother to do that? Reworking that system offers the possibility of decoupling the right to vote from home ownership; one citizen, one vote. It’s going to be really hard for the Tories to openly argue that ‘yes, you are a citizen and taxpayer, have committed no crime, but we are not going to let you vote because that means we won’t win’. Even the Republicans struggle get away with that one. In contrast, the only risk is that, if the Tories do prove unexpectedly competent, you would lose the possibility of a neoBlairite Labour creeping into a minority government based on some freak circumstance that beats the odds. And is that really a scenario you think is worth losing the hope of anything better for?
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I'm just reading that link? Consider "bum" an Americanism for homeless person, and it gets a lot less fun. Yes, its an actual "blood sport" yes it really happens. "I will give you money for food (will actually not give), if you beat this other person so senseless they need to be hospitalized."
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crispix posted:what actually happens if you go into a polling station and just march in and start doing lots of votes? Votes aren't anonymous - there's a unique I'd on them that corresponds with the list they cross your name off of, so I assume if necessary they could just cross reference those. blunt fucked around with this message at 18:30 on May 12, 2021 |
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Just found out that after that Amber Rudd bullshit with Oxford the Society got disafilliated. Uninviting a speaker: Cancel culture Kicking a Society out of your student union: Totally cool and good gently caress this poo poo.
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May 12, 2021 18:29
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IllusionistTrixie posted:Consider "bum" an Americanism for homeless person, and it gets a lot less fun. Yes, its an actual "blood sport" yes it really happens. Err that's bad.
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radmonger posted:I think you are using the word ‘can’ in the sense it is used in the phrase ‘they can found an internet startup company and become a billionaire’. Why would the proposed changes mean making the electoral register more accessible? They are proposing to make ID mandatory in the polling station, not do anything to improve your ability to vote.
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radmonger posted:I think you are using the word ‘can’ in the sense it is used in the phrase ‘they can found an internet startup company and become a billionaire’. I'm confused about what you're arguing here. It sounds like you're saying that people will require a valid photo ID to vote instead of the current system of voter registration, with polling card sent to your home and that dictating which polling station you can vote at. Surely the actual proposal is that you need the photo ID on top of the existing system, be that a passport/driving license that you already have, or a special voting ID card that will definitely be free, honest. So from the set of registered voters (which won't change much due to this) will be removed the set of people lacking the money/inclination/knowledge to acquire an ID they currently don't have. Hence disenfranchisement. The other barrier of course being that you need to identify yourself to the issuers of these new voting ID cards.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Err that's bad. New thread title
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The whole way voting works requires the existence of the electoral register anyway because that is the entire thing that stops you walking into any polling station and voting as many times as you want. You have one vote at one station and the ballots are not secret so this can be checked. Unless you are proposing some sort of weird central citizen database that all polling stations can access in real time on election day there is no way you can just let people turn up with a driver's license and vote, there has to be an electoral register of some sort that you get on beforehand.
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IllusionistTrixie posted:Consider "bum" an Americanism for homeless person, and it gets a lot less fun. Yes, its an actual "blood sport" yes it really happens. There is a hierarchy in America when it comes to bums. Because of course there is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobo Wikipedia posted:A hobo is a migrant worker or homeless vagrant, especially one who is impoverished. The term originated in the Western—probably Northwestern—United States around 1890. Unlike a "tramp", who works only when forced to, and a "bum", who does not work at all, a "hobo" is a traveling worker. In other news, BoJo has said sorry that the British Army murdered a bunch of people in Northern Ireland during the Troubles. He's so sorry about it, that he wants to stop any soldiers for being prosecuted for any of these wrongdoings. Again, he's so sorry. https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1392519903958163457?s=19
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Algol Star posted:They can be partners in a practice where this is true but a lot are salaried and paid by the owner of a practice or a company like virgin. Most GPs aren't making the kind of money the daily mail are always implying they do either despite the stories they used to run about the few who are making 300k. Quite a few GPs I know prefer to remain salaried because despite the £150k+ potential earnings as a partner the loss of QALYs and sanity that comes with it just isn't worth it. Same with some people remaining clinical specialists rather than going on to be consultants. 70k+ is plenty to live on, why saddle yourself with the extra stress and grief?
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Josef bugman posted:Might I raise you have you considered joining the civil service
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Comrade Fakename posted:I don't know how I could have put it clearer. Hm, you mean the GOP are trying to whitewash their previous non-opposition to Trump doing the whole Capitol invasion bullshit and all of that? I was under the impression that by now Trump has been forgotten and nobody talks about him, including Republicans. Could be completely wrong though, I haven't really followed it UK content: so who's gonna be our Biden then? And also, when? 2032?
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They just kicked out Liz Cheney for not believing that the election was stolen and some of the more Q brained ones are trying to push an audit that already happened in AZ.
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radmonger posted:I think you are using the word ‘can’ in the sense it is used in the phrase ‘they can found an internet startup company and become a billionaire’. Okay at this point I have to assume that I'm just being trolled because nobody, *nobody*, can possibly be so unaware of what they're talking about. Just on the off-chance that you're just really earnest and also deeply misinformed... A = register to vote. To do this you need to fill out a form with the local authority with your NI number. It is free to do this for any person over the age of 16 resident in the UK. It is also free to change your registration when you move house, and because it is just a registration it cannot be lost or stolen. B = Obtain and possess valid photo ID. To do this you need to fill out a form with central Government and jump through several hoops (in particular finding a countersignatory for your photograph). This costs at least 50 quid. If you happen to lose or damage the ID it costs extra to replace it. Now, to vote, you need to do A. The Tories want to make it so that you will need to do A + B to vote. A will not change (in fact will almost certainly also be made harder but they've not got round to this yet). A large number of people who can do A are not able to do B, and so will be disenfranchised by this. A larger number of people who can do A just won't be bothered to do B as they have better things to do, and so are also disenfranchised. Nothing at all in this proposal results in more people being able to do A. Where on *earth* do you get the idea that voting rights are tied to home ownership in the UK? Have you just fallen through a wormhole from 1832? e: Because initially registering to vote is actually easier than I thought goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 19:37 on May 12, 2021 |
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Guavanaut posted:They just kicked out Liz Cheney for not believing that the election was stolen and some of the more Q brained ones are trying to push an audit that already happened in AZ. gently caress, this is what I get for taking my eye off the ball, this sounds like tremendous content
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crispix posted:what actually happens if you go into a polling station and just march in and start doing lots of votes? AIUI they'll sequester the ballots from that polling station (not least because they may be needed as evidence for a prosecution) and continue the count without them. If the result of the count is narrower than the amount of votes in the sequestered boxes it has to go to court, who can decide either to just award the election one way or another, or just invalidate it and force it to happen again.
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People have been arguing that demographics are destiny with regards to boomers for decades now and other people have been saying "We've been saying that for years and nothing has changed" for almost as long. Both sides miss something. We're only now in the '20s going to start seeing the boomer cohort dying off in significant numbers - the eldest boomers are still a couple of years short of the average lifespan and the youngest are only in their mid-50s - so I would argue that even if demographics are 100% destiny that destiny still isn't likely to arrive until like 2030. On the flipside is of course that this is only one factor among many. We know that people's political views tend to firm up in their 20s and become harder to change after that, but we also know gaining wealth makes people more likely to think they earned it and to become more protective of it. I don't think we have any idea how those interact, and those are just two factors amongst the endless number of things that make up a person. Political parties have realigned themselves before, and more broadly than any specific political party or project, out-groups have been redefined so they fit into the in-group definition in order to maintain a status quo, e.g. the Americans realising that the Irish, as some of the whitest people in the world, are white. Or conversely the way the Republicans were trying to figure out how to bring Latinos into the in-group definition and then decided "actually no, nativism is better". But either way, for demographics to be destiny people still need a credible alternative - demographics are not destiny inherently, but they are most assuredly a great opportunity.
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Barry Foster posted:gently caress, this is what I get for taking my eye off the ball, this sounds like tremendous content
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Why did nobody think of this before?? https://twitter.com/politicsforali/status/1392542761547673600?s=21
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Ms Adequate posted:Or conversely the way the Republicans were trying to figure out how to bring Latinos into the in-group definition and then decided "actually no, nativism is better".
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Noxville posted:Why did nobody think of this before?? We just need to give each side a peace wallet, they'll never go against their rational self interest.
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Noxville posted:Why did nobody think of this before?? Now shake hands
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Noxville posted:Why did nobody think of this before?? 5p rocket tax
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Breath Ray posted:have you considered joining the civil service I don't think I am smart enough. I also quite like working with the general public for the most part.
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Did anyone say "skills wallet inspector" yet?
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Bobstar posted:Did anyone say "skills wallet inspector" yet? I believe everyone did, yes
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Szmitten posted:I thought everyone under 40 was supposed to be be offered alternatives to AZ now. I got told 'we can offer both AZ and Pfizer, but we only have AZ actually in stock' and my partner didn't get a choice at all!
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Josef bugman posted:I don't think I am smart enough. I also quite like working with the general public for the most part. There are many roles in the civil service which are public facing, as my department is, and I can also confirm first hand that intelligence is by no means a limiting factor judging by many of my colleagues (also Bugman you come across not only as intelligent but also a really good person, I'd gladly have you on my team. Definitely consider applying if you find a role that sounds up your street, the civil service is great to work for in my experience)
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Okay at this point I have to assume that I'm just being trolled because nobody, *nobody*, can possibly be so unaware of what they're talking about. In those terms, A + B would represent a political failure; that would be bad. Staying at A only would be the status quo; which is bad. Moving to B only would be a political success, and that might well be good. Arguing for B only is going to be much easier than arguing for A only. If you have a national ID service, you simply don’t need the electoral register, so that becomes a pointless and obvious waste.. if you put the other side into the position of having to make weak arguments for something inherently unpopular, then political success is as likely as it is ever going to be.
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