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THS
Sep 15, 2017


lmao

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

THS posted:

good idea can we turn this into the warhammer 40k lore discussion thread

grots are trots

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014
Non-western Trots seem to be much better about the anti-imperialism like Tariq Ali or CLR James.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

decided to download it and lmao right out of the gate-

quote:

What we mean when we say socialism is, simply put, a society where workers collectively own and democratically control their labor and the value they produce. In other words, a classless society, free of exploitation and oppression. Its essence is evoked in two common phrases of Marx, who described socialism as a world “from each according to their ability and to each according to their need,” which comes into realization through the “self-emancipation” of the working class.

This is different from conceptions of socialism like the social democracy of the Scandinavian mixed economies, and different from the former USSR and North Korea—often referred to as Stalinist countries—or the current Chinese state, which can be generally described as a capitalist dictatorship with certain sectors of the economy owned by the state, whose role is to integrate the private sector into the world economy. All of these forms can be described as “socialism from above”: state control of some part of industry through a top-down, bureaucratic, and more often than not authoritarian stratum of society.

Even though the USSR is now a thing of the past, the political tendency of Stalinism still exists and is referred to in chapters of this book. Although definitions vary, we will briefly describe it as a political tendency based on the false notion that socialism can be established in a single country rather than through the international rejection of capitalism. Stalinism often takes a rigid approach to socialist revolution, regarding it as marked by distinct “stages”—first, socialists fight for national or anticolonial liberation, then at some later date they start the struggle for socialism. This mechanistic model relegates the project of fighting for socialism to something that will take place at a future—often undefined—point in time.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

ToxicAcne posted:

Non-western Trots seem to be much better about the anti-imperialism like Tariq Ali or CLR James.

#NotAllTrots

CLR James owned. His book on the Haitian Revolution was an all timer

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Speaking of India the CPI (Maoist)'s course on MLM is great.

http://massalijn.nl/theory/marxism-leninism-maoism-basic-course/

Thanks for this

And Trotsky himself was a piece of poo poo but his theories are worth debating

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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011


the weirdest thing about ISO dissolving for "accountability" is that the largest and most influential part, the publishing arm, continued with the same politics.

ToxicAcne posted:

Non-western Trots seem to be much better about the anti-imperialism like Tariq Ali or CLR James.

does "Western" just mean white . I'm fine with that tbh. CLR James lived in Britain and travelled around the US for much of his life.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Non-western leftists are just hotter and more good-looking people in general :grin:

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

decided to download it and lmao right out of the gate-

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

gradenko_2000 posted:

Non-western leftists are just hotter and more good-looking people in general :grin:

extremely low bar tbf

ToxicAcne
May 25, 2014

Atrocious Joe posted:

the weirdest thing about ISO dissolving for "accountability" is that the largest and most influential part, the publishing arm, continued with the same politics.


does "Western" just mean white . I'm fine with that tbh. CLR James lived in Britain and travelled around the US for much of his life.
Pretty much lmao. Even Ali has lived most of his live in the UK as well.

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apropos to nothing
Sep 5, 2003

ToxicAcne posted:

Non-western Trots seem to be much better about the anti-imperialism like Tariq Ali or CLR James.

:thunk:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/T...03!4d-61.222503
:thunk:

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

tbf Caribbean nationalism and Marxist movements from I what know have associated themselves more with the Africa and Asia than even with Latin America. That didn't seem to change until Chavez started building up ALBA and Petrocaribe.

Flavius Aetass
Mar 30, 2011

THS posted:

good idea can we turn this into the warhammer 40k lore discussion thread

I keep telling the T'au that their caste system is counter-revolutionary but they keep calling me a revisionist and posting that "shut up bitch" video

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war leftist factional shitflinging

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Flavius Aetass posted:

I keep telling the T'au that their caste system is counter-revolutionary but they keep calling me a revisionist and posting that "shut up bitch" video

https://youtu.be/V9O94UTDAJQ

swimsuit
Jan 22, 2009

yeah

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

Slanderer
May 6, 2007

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
i still love that 90% of lawler's commentary was just him squealing

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

This sounds like an alternative universe where the kbg put lsd in people's drinks

Dixon Chisholm
Jan 2, 2020

Raskolnikov38 posted:

i still love that 90% of lawler's commentary was just him squealing

Would you have it any other way?

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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/Huck1995/status/1392424543759835141

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




THS posted:

good idea can we turn this into the warhammer 40k lore discussion thread

the chair makes him alive still, but not real alive

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!

how do we crowdfund this book

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

indigi posted:

how do we crowdfund this book

https://twitter.com/getradified/status/1392466314283950083

to be clear, the English translation has already been available in PDF/EPUB for a while now - I read it last year and have occasionally posted excerpts in CSPAM

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
oh wow when I looked for it all I could find were Spanish translations, thanks

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009
https://twitter.com/ARIOSOPHY/status/1392331255535054848

indigi
Jul 20, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 4 hours!
lol 😔

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

finally am getting around to losurdo's stalin book thanks to this thread and man, he really hates trotsky lmao. perhaps even more than khrushchev

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

finally am getting around to losurdo's stalin book thanks to this thread and man, he really hates trotsky lmao. perhaps even more than khrushchev

you mean history of a black legend? i actually don't remember it dwelling on trotsky that much, and mostly to illustrate hypocrisy or differences of degree rather than kind (like trotsky still objecting to the deliberate abolition of the family despite doing the messianic universality thing on other issues)

Ferrinus fucked around with this message at 07:14 on May 13, 2021

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ferrinus posted:

you mean history of a black legend? i actually don't remember it dwelling on trotsky that much, and mostly to illustrate hypocrisy or differences of degree rather than kind (like trotsky still objecting to the deliberate abolition of the family despite doing the messianic, universality thing on other issues)

https://youtu.be/V9O94UTDAJQ

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

Ferrinus posted:

you mean history of a black legend? i actually don't remember it dwelling on trotsky that much, and mostly to illustrate hypocrisy or differences of degree rather than kind (like trotsky still objecting to the deliberate abolition of the family despite doing the messianic, universality thing on other issues)

i admit im only halfway through it, but what the gently caress are you talking about. so far the entire book exists to dunk on trotsky and krushchev for being wrong.

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

you are right that it doesnt dwell on trotsky, it only repeatedly uses his quotes to prove, definitively, what a whiny lil bitch he was

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Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Back on his pretending to know what he's talking about bullshit I see.

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