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So at what point does the media start calling the Greens Britain's third party? e: 87 is the atomic number of francium, named after Frank Zappa, a type of particle accelerator.
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The media is smarter than to give the Greens any airtime. They know the risk of them soaking up the Corbyn camp and becoming a real opposition. The Greens should be smarter than to do a Clegg. That doesn't mean they are.
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May 14, 2021 10:57
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Guavanaut posted:So at what point does the media start calling the Greens Britain's third party? When they manage to elect an MP who isn't Caroline Lucas?
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May 14, 2021 10:58
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Guavanaut posted:So at what point does the media start calling the Greens Britain's third party? when they elect a neoliberal leader who proposes carbon tax credits
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May 14, 2021 10:59
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Do they have any "sensible" policies?
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May 14, 2021 11:03
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Just heard about the latest idiocy through twitter and lol, what?
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May 14, 2021 11:05
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Guavanaut posted:Just heard about the latest idiocy through twitter and lol, what? Do they think Magneto is going to rip the metal out of everyone's bloodstream?
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May 14, 2021 11:13
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I have no idea. I hope it's just weak trolling from sideshow magicians and/or people who have magnetic implants, but why anyone would believe it to the point that it needs refuting I do not know.
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May 14, 2021 11:16
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I hope they never find out what's in haemoglobin...
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May 14, 2021 11:18
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Lol I just rang the student loans company who cannot stop hassling me. Every option you chose on their phone line just hangs up on you.
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May 14, 2021 11:19
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https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1393145586568794112?s=19 TIBFKS
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May 14, 2021 11:23
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May 14, 2021 11:28
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Can someone explain to me why Scotland isn't just going for a referendum and a UDI? The right to self determination has been defended by the Western world for a century now. Why are the SNP hellbent on asking Boris for permission? Does the party want independence or does it just want to keep the convenient narrative "Westminster is holding us back?" Or is there some material reason to do an unprecedented thing and gain the government's permission to leave Britain without first applying force.
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May 14, 2021 11:36
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I really hope people (ok me, I’m talking about me) aren’t going to potentially die because of arbitrary supply of different vaccines. They didn’t have to rush. They could have maintained restrictions until we all got the ‘good vaccines’. So now we have the potential situation where everything opens because ‘people are vaccinated’ but one vaccine does little and they get super infected because no one else cares anymore. Murdered by postcode lottery.
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May 14, 2021 11:37
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Lmao that projection would put the Tories at literally twice the number of seats as Labour
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May 14, 2021 11:41
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Azza Bamboo posted:Can someone explain to me why Scotland isn't just going for a referendum and a UDI? Conventional wisdom is they don't want to get Catalonia'd, or have Spain think they're trying to Catalonia in a way that might give Catalonia ideas.
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May 14, 2021 11:42
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Regarde Aduck posted:I really hope people (ok me, I’m talking about me) aren’t going to potentially die because of arbitrary supply of different vaccines. They didn’t have to rush. They did have to rush, because people were dying. You might be able to live in a safe cocoon, but lots of people aren't, including care home residents. As a fellow vulnerable AZ receiver I hope different vaccinations will become available if any vaccine is proven ineffective against new strains, but I am drat glad I'm at least immunized against some of them, thanks.
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May 14, 2021 11:46
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josh04 posted:Conventional wisdom is they don't want to get Catalonia'd, or have Spain think they're trying to Catalonia in a way that might give Catalonia ideas. Twenty. Points. Ahead.
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May 14, 2021 11:50
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https://twitter.com/EllzSummary/status/1393118201756758016 #LibDemFightback - Conspiracy Version
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May 14, 2021 11:51
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josh04 posted:Conventional wisdom is they don't want to get Catalonia'd, or have Spain think they're trying to Catalonia in a way that might give Catalonia ideas. So it's about Europe still. For as long as Scotland are asking permission, and it doesn't create an electoral issue in England, Westminster can block their chances of a referendum. The SNP will hold Scotland, inside of a Tory Britain, and that is surely the equilibrium for the foreseeable future.
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May 14, 2021 11:53
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Azza Bamboo posted:Can someone explain to me why Scotland isn't just going for a referendum and a UDI? The SNP are in a tricky position because their electoral result isn't a referendum mandate because Sturgeon is genuinely popular. There was a video clip of someone asking her "if I want you to run the covid response but don't want a referendum, how do I vote for that" She replied, "Vote SNP." They have to pay lip service to wanting a referendum but neither westminster nor the SNP want one any time soon
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May 14, 2021 11:53
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Azza Bamboo posted:Can someone explain to me why Scotland isn't just going for a referendum and a UDI? It's a bit of both. The SNP will always garner support from cries to throw off the Hated English Yoke TM, but there are also international considerations. They want - and in fact need - to rejoin Scotland to the EU, but Spain will veto that if Scotland simply declares independence because they have a similar movement in Catalonia. However, the backbone of the Spanish position is that they would respect the result of a referendum if one was held; they just never intend to let the Catalans have one. The complications creep in with Brexit. With Scotland being dragged out of the EU against its will, a second Indyref is as much an attempt to join a union of nations as it is an attempt to leave one. So Spain might accept the result of a wildcat referendum because technically the SNP wants to be in a political union with Spain. However, I don't think Spain would accept a UDI unless the Tories tried to shut down Holyrood. And maybe not even then.
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May 14, 2021 11:53
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Lib Dems getting into unskewing the polls
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May 14, 2021 11:53
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History shows that international institutions do not look kindly on substates making UDI's. Scotland going this route without sanction from UK state would find itself quickly frozen out of any hopes of joining international bodies, maybe we'd be recognised by the other non-country countries (Palestine, Kosovo etc.).
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May 14, 2021 12:00
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Azza Bamboo posted:Can someone explain to me why Scotland isn't just going for a referendum and a UDI? Because the right to self-determination isn't that simple or Catalunya would be independent right now. Hell, Kosovo declared independence 13 years ago & still is only recognised by half the members of the UN. Whatever may or not be the strict case in international law doesn't matter because ultimately realpolitik & international diplomacy trumps it. Scotland wants to ensure a referendum is respected by the UK because it avoids becoming a state not recognised by half the world (including several EU members like Spain who have a iffy history on separatism) jiggerypokery posted:They have to pay lip service to wanting a referendum but neither westminster nor the SNP want one any time soon The notion that Nicola Sturgeon does not want a referendum at the first possible moment is utter nonsense. One will happen during the parliament, unless the COVID pandemic is even worse than expected & drags on for 5 more years.
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May 14, 2021 12:00
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Oh dear me posted:They did have to rush, because people were dying. You might be able to live in a safe cocoon, but lots of people aren't, including care home residents. As a fellow vulnerable AZ receiver I hope different vaccinations will become available if any vaccine is proven ineffective against new strains, but I am drat glad I'm at least immunized against some of them, thanks. i think OP meant rushing the easing of restrictions rather than rushing to vaccinate the vulnerable
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May 14, 2021 12:01
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Regarde Aduck posted:I really hope people (ok me, I’m talking about me) aren’t going to potentially die because of arbitrary supply of different vaccines. They didn’t have to rush. They could have maintained restrictions until we all got the ‘good vaccines’. So now we have the potential situation where everything opens because ‘people are vaccinated’ but one vaccine does little and they get super infected because no one else cares anymore. Murdered by postcode lottery. I thought they were all pretty good. And even a less good one is much better than nothing. What’s your particular concern?
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May 14, 2021 12:08
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Here's what the left should do to deal with this, in its entirety "it was a stupid tweet and the person had rightly deleted it and apologised. The matter is settled" "but--" "the matter is settled" ~fin~
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May 14, 2021 12:08
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Don't know if anybody was looking for a new av but https://twitter.com/scienceshitpost/status/1392868055890464773
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May 14, 2021 12:20
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forkboy84 posted:The notion that Nicola Sturgeon does not want a referendum at the first possible moment is utter nonsense. One will happen during the parliament, unless the COVID pandemic is even worse than expected & drags on for 5 more years. She wants to win, though. And the polling is not even close to good for her at the moment.
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May 14, 2021 12:21
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Lord of the Llamas posted:https://twitter.com/EllzSummary/status/1393118201756758016 In the nineties there were local elections where the Alliance/SLD/LibDems were polling over 40% nationwide, because locals are absolutely irrelevant.
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May 14, 2021 12:24
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jiggerypokery posted:Lol I just rang the student loans company who cannot stop hassling me. Every option you chose on their phone line just hangs up on you. try option 2 5 2
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May 14, 2021 12:26
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forkboy84 posted:Because the right to self-determination isn't that simple or Catalunya would be independent right now. Hell, Kosovo declared independence 13 years ago & still is only recognised by half the members of the UN. Whatever may or not be the strict case in international law doesn't matter because ultimately realpolitik & international diplomacy trumps it. Scotland wants to ensure a referendum is respected by the UK because it avoids becoming a state not recognised by half the world (including several EU members like Spain who have a iffy history on separatism) Additionally, it's not like in a UDI situation the British establishment would just be sitting back doing nothing. They'd be screaming bloody murder to every other country about sedition, illegality, etc. You'd expect British ambassadors in Spain to be pushing the Scotland-Catalonia comparison super hard, and meanwhile they'd be over in America pushing a narrative that an independent Scotland plays right into Russian interests, British intelligence services would be calling in every favour they could with Five Eyes, etc. Stereotypically in the west, the English are hated and the Scots well liked, but the cold realpolitik is that existing economic, political, and intelligence ties with the UK are probably not worth jeopardising to recognise an independent Scotland, if established without Westminster's consent. That changes if you're willing to do an Ireland and have a war over it, but nobody in Scotland is picking up a gun over independence.
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May 14, 2021 12:26
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Azza Bamboo posted:Can someone explain to me why Scotland isn't just going for a referendum and a UDI? Power over devolution matters have not been ceded to the devolved governments, only Westminster has the power to grant a referendum. If Scotland held it without permission, Labour and Tories would simply not vote making it meaningless, plus you'd end up like Catalonia.
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May 14, 2021 12:27
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TACD posted:Don't know if anybody was looking for a new av but Paging VideoGames to thread
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So it's about Europe still. For as long as Scotland are asking permission, and it doesn't create an electoral issue in England, Westminster can block their chances of a referendum. The SNP will hold Scotland, inside of a Tory Britain, and that is surely the equilibrium for the foreseeable future.
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Reveilled posted:Additionally, it's not like in a UDI situation the British establishment would just be sitting back doing nothing. They'd be screaming bloody murder to every other country about sedition, illegality, etc. You'd expect British ambassadors in Spain to be pushing the Scotland-Catalonia comparison super hard, and meanwhile they'd be over in America pushing a narrative that an independent Scotland plays right into Russian interests, British intelligence services would be calling in every favour they could with Five Eyes, etc. It's this really and also in the event of a Referendum authorised by Westminster they would be duty bound to actually negotiate a separation, with a UDI they would just tell Scotland to go gently caress itself which is not a situation it wants as we would continue to use the pound etc for a period and things would get awkward. The ANP made a slight rod for their own back by winning the absolute majority before the last referendum and now that is held up as the high water mark that the SNP need to achieve to be allowed another one.
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May 14, 2021 12:37
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forkboy84 posted:
Why is this? I basically accept it since I don't know the SNP that well but in terms of personal material incentives they win just as much by getting permanent huge majorities in Scotland as they do by risking a referendum. More, really, if you consider they currently get the pensions, wages and attention of a government despite being LARPers who can wash their hands of any responsibility if it suits them since they don't really control very much. It's actually a real nice situation for them atm
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forkboy84 posted:The notion that Nicola Sturgeon does not want a referendum at the first possible moment is utter nonsense. One will happen during the parliament, unless the COVID pandemic is even worse than expected & drags on for 5 more years. There won't be one this parliament as the COVID recover plan will easy take 5 years.
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Scotland basically had the same amount of people per capita dying of covid as England. and similarly let it rampage around the nursing homes etc. Yet the SNP have come off really well coz they cna say "well that's the tories not us innit... Despite the NHS being one of the only things meant to be actually devolved" The devolved government's have a cozy racket going on imo, is it just ego that they'd rather be more important?
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