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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Oh my. if it is they haven't told anyone at council level, more likely Johnson just taking a victory lap https://twitter.com/wandbc/status/1393194905699246086
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StarkingBarfish posted:In lighter news Rishi looks set to kick off Pass out to help out: I mean, it's a big ask, but I'm willing to give it a crack.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/14/wild-boar-corner-woman-in-rome-and-steal-food-shopping
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Doccykins posted:if it is they haven't told anyone at council level, more likely Johnson just taking a victory lap I can't believe they'd slam the brakes on now with such short notice and without any consent-manufactoring first. I can imagine that Johnson will be saying that they'll be watching things very carefully and the June 21 deadline could possibly move, though.
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extremely hosed up mental health scheme being trialled on the Isle of Wight and in London; invented by an ex-cop because "the root of unsustainable demand lies in over-dependence and behavioural issues" fully neoliberalised and horrendous TW: police violence, suicidal ideation https://gal-dem.com/stop-sim-mental-health-campaign/ some choice quotes below quote:Police officers, or “High Intensity Officers” (HIOs) are given primary responsibility for behavioural management, placing pressure on individuals to reduce “high-cost behaviour” and stop “demonstrating intensive patterns of demand”. Police may ensure compliance using threats of legal action, such as Community Behaviour Orders. Conflating the “best results” with a reduction in 999 calls, demand for services and hospital admissions, SIM answers the crisis with police intervention rather than holistic patient support. quote:The scheme is in full flow. Hailed as “transformative”, it was originally piloted on the Isle of Wight in 2013 and is in the process of being rolled out across England. Currently, SIM is in operation across London and is supported by the South London and Maudsley NHS Foundation Trust which treats more than 45,000 patients in South London communities. quote:The creator of SIM, ex-police sergeant Paul Jennings, claims the root of unsustainable demand lies in over-dependence and behavioural issues, rather than the underfunding and inequalities that have crippled the system. bad one; tw: suicidal ideation quote:Now SIM, say activists, entrenches stereotypes they’ve worked for years to eradicate; self-harm is likened to “manipulative behaviour” and people with ‘personality disorder’ diagnoses are told to “take responsibility” for their distress, to reduce engagement with services. The scheme espouses the belief that people who express suicidal thoughts, but don’t die, are not genuinely suicidal and thus not an area of concern, placing them in a category of people who attend A&E for “false, malicious or unnecessary reasons”. Petition and MP letter template are linked in the article; or quote:Sign the StopSIM Coalition’s petition to halt the rollout of the scheme here CGI Stardust fucked around with this message at 14:58 on May 14, 2021 |
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Azza Bamboo posted:So it's about Europe still. For as long as Scotland are asking permission, and it doesn't create an electoral issue in England, Westminster can block their chances of a referendum. The SNP will hold Scotland, inside of a Tory Britain, and that is surely the equilibrium for the foreseeable future. More just that the obvious 'standard' route to declaring independence would be impractical for these reasons. So long as they don't step on this landmine, it feels like a win-win: they can keep demanding a referendum from Westminister and either get the referendum, or bolster support for nationalism every time Westminster has to decline them.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/14/wild-boar-corner-woman-in-rome-and-steal-food-shopping That's just the tip of the iceberg, man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9MTMCo8JbQ
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I agree with Adonis, only so I can see his brain break when Tony gets poo poo on completely.
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Reveilled posted:I mean, I don't fault you necessarily for being cynical, but I think it requires jumping through a few too many hoops to assume that people can't have terminal goals other than their own personal advancement. It becomes, in my view, too hard to explain for many people. Like, to take an example from Irish independence, Constance Markiewicz was born into the Anglo-Irish nobility, her father was a baronet, she married a Polish count*, and she could have lived out her life happily as a member of the Anglo-Irish nobility. Instead, she became a revolutionary socialist and was one of the leaders of the Easter Rising (and was upset that her death sentence for it was commuted purely on account of her sex). Later, she became the first woman elected to the House of Commons (though she never took her seat) and later Ireland's Minister for Labour, only the second woman in European history to hold a cabinet position. Yes, this is all very true. Also remember that quite a few early Bolsheviks came from the minor nobility and middle-classes, Lenin himself for one. You can argue that in the end he became more 'successful' as a revolutionary leader than he would have been enjoying a quiet life as a well-to-do professional, but his political career started as a young man when the Russian Empire was certainly in decline but seemed no more imminently on the verge of collapse than the USA is today. He got himself jailed multiple times fighting the Tsarist regime and could quite easily have died (like his brother) doing so. And then again, during the revolution and civil war there was no guarantee of victory, and he could have been killed. You don't put your life on the line constantly against an initially vastly superior foe out of self-interest. I think the hegemony of neoliberalism really has given us all brain worms to the extent that 'just in it for themselves' is the default position, and it seems almost naive to think otherwise. And definitely that's true of so many people, even most people. It takes work to examine your own ideological shortcomings, and that's something lots of us don't do out of apathy, ignorance, or because we lack the skills to do so effectively. It's easy to forget, but the truth is some people do genuinely believe in something bigger, even now. That those people are immediately called out as being cynical and just using it all for optics is one of the most depressing examples of how ingrained neoliberalism is in all of us. This explains completely why the media establishment was completely unable to comprehend Corbyn, or why he was so popular with some people - hence all the lazy 'cultist' poo poo. The idea that someone might actually genuinely have an idea about something grander than 'making money' or 'looking important' was totally alien to them, so there had to be something untoward happening under the surface.
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You can evolve an even higher level of cynicism if you believe that many people absolutely believe they are doing the right thing but the thing they think is right is just more neoliberalism. See: adonis.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I mean, it's a big ask, but I'm willing to give it a crack. Barry Foster posted:So this is completely hosed CGI Stardust posted:extremely hosed up mental health scheme being trialled on the Isle of Wight and in London; invented by an ex-cop because "the root of unsustainable demand lies in over-dependence and behavioural issues" Even from a ThomasPaine posted:hegemony of neoliberalism really has given us all brain worms They're going to go back to criminalizing suicide again at this rate. (In which case might as well for a sheep as a lamb.)
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Going to go out on a limb and say a lot of people think that is a good idea because a lot of people don't believe mental health problems are real. It's basically the thesis statement of jorbo lobsterman's books.
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Even if they only exist as social phenomena (which doesn't make them 'not real' any more or less than language, ethnicity, or religion) there's still observably good and bad ways of addressing them, and they're going with one of the observably bad ways.
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Guavanaut posted:Even if they only exist as social phenomena (which doesn't make them 'not real' any more or less than language, ethnicity, or religion) there's still observably good and bad ways of addressing them, and they're going with one of the observably bad ways. It's such a comically stupid mentality that I can't help wondering how often it smashes into the daily reality of having to do constructive actions to solve problems and where the fault lines of dissonance are.
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TACD posted:If the washing machine breaks do they whack it with a stick until it either magically starts working or until it's a pile of parts, which they then berate for being lazy? When the toilet clogs do they just hammer away at the flush handle until it snaps off and the house is flooded with sewage? A lot of people absolutely do things like that, yes. But I think it is exacerbated when it comes to other people, because other people have an essential quality of unknowability to them, you can't see inside their minds, and because of that there are a lot of people who decide to fill in that gap with their own fantasies. So they believe axiomatically that other people just need a good kicking to act right and if reality threatens to contradict that then it must be wrong because it isn't intuitive to them.
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I think it's because they can't conceive of anything beyond atomized individuals. If their washing machine breaks they make the rational individual decision to call a repair place or order a spare part, and the repair person or parts retailer rationally has the knowledge to address the problem. The idea that, say, air quality should be addressed by everyone burning a bit less solid fuels and driving less, rather than the rational individual buying a gas mask is about the closest that you can get them to acknowledge a wider phenomenon, and even then it's touch and go. That a health issue might be rooted in the construction of society itself rather than a personal fault is beyond them.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I agree with Adonis, only so I can see his brain break when Tony gets poo poo on completely. nope he and his ilk will just say it's the voters who are wrong-thinking ingrates, just as they have done these last few weeks
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StarkingBarfish posted:In lighter news Rishi looks set to kick off Pass out to help out: I'd love to help out our British friends in their time of need (vaccinated, love London) but I fear I'm going to be tossed into whatever the British equivalent of Guantanamo Bay is at the moment: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/14/hostile-uk-border-regime-traumatises-visitors-from-eu
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Take note, Kieth. A wild policy appears... https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/14/wales-to-launch-universal-basic-income-pilot-scheme
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ThomasPaine posted:I think the hegemony of neoliberalism really has given us all brain worms to the extent that 'just in it for themselves' is the default position, and it seems almost naive to think otherwise. And definitely that's true of so many people, even most people. It takes work to examine your own ideological shortcomings, and that's something lots of us don't do out of apathy, ignorance, or because we lack the skills to do so effectively. It's easy to forget, but the truth is some people do genuinely believe in something bigger, even now. That those people are immediately called out as being cynical and just using it all for optics is one of the most depressing examples of how ingrained neoliberalism is in all of us. This explains completely why the media establishment was completely unable to comprehend Corbyn, or why he was so popular with some people - hence all the lazy 'cultist' poo poo. The idea that someone might actually genuinely have an idea about something grander than 'making money' or 'looking important' was totally alien to them, so there had to be something untoward happening under the surface. This is pretty much the liberal reaction to the left in a nutshell, all the #Resistance types being confused and angered by leftists going 'What's their angle?' They don't even understand the difference between grifting and activism, since progressive causes have been so thoroughly co-opted and hollowed out by woke capitalism.
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Barry Foster posted:So this is completely hosed Sigh. Doesn't surprise me. The only ways to do something about the mental health crisis are do something about the horrible alienation of Hyperindividualism courtesy of neoliberal economic policies, and an absolutely unprecedented increase in NHS spending. Neither of which are even close to being on the table
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Edwin Poots is new DUP leader. Sync back your watches 40 years.
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The most progressive DUP leader since the Earth was created 5781 years ago.
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ThomasPaine posted:I think the hegemony of neoliberalism really has given us all brain worms to the extent that 'just in it for themselves' is the default position, and it seems almost naive to think otherwise. And definitely that's true of so many people, even most people. To add onto this, even if people are self interested they are not machines that will pursue their goals perfectly; a variety of factors can influence someone's decision making, especially ideology. People who declaim possessing any ideology themselves are possibly the most vulnerable to making skewed decisions, because they lack any perspective on how the options they see as available are already skewed. Even if Sturgeon was purely self interested, there's a variety of reasons why she could believe that she would be materially better off in an independent Scotland; regardless of whether that was an accurate assessment or not. Vagabong fucked around with this message at 17:12 on May 14, 2021 |
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New fudge alert! I’ve now done a restock of Vanilla, Salted Caramel and Lemon Meringue Pie, and added several new or returning flavours from last year! New arrivals are: Whisky and Candied Ginger White Chocolate and Raspberry Vegan Biscoff All available at https://www.fudjit.co.uk now! As always, use the goon code ‘roastbeefisbest’ to get five-for-four! All fudge is sold in slabs of approx 100g at £3.50 per, plus postage. And as an additional note, I just dropped off a large shipment at my first retail stockist ever. So if you happen to be in northern Shropshire you may well see my goodies on shelves next week 
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Vagabong posted:To add onto this, even if people are self interested they are not machines that will pursue their goals perfectly; a variety of factors can influence someone's decision making, especially ideology. People who declaim possessing any ideology themselves are possibly the most vulnerable to making skewed decisions, because they lack any perspective on how the options they see as available are already skewed. Yes, the whole point of ideology is that it's completely invisible to the person holding it unless they make a very real effort to engage with their thought processes and value systems and the broader implications of their actions at quite a deep level. This isn't necessarily a fun process, because it means acknowledging your own culpability in some pretty grim things, particularly if you're part of a group that has benefited at the expense of others (i.e. everyone in the West). Biting the bullet on that can be hard work and it can also often be genuinely traumatic to so pointedly tear apart the person you thought you were and see the reality. That's why boomers hate younger generations asking them to have one single iota of self-awareness, they absolutely can't handle the idea that they didn't earn their money. It's why so many men push back at stuff like #metoo - if you are a straight a guy and you were born before ~1995 or so, you 100% almost certainly have at some point in your life done or said something inappropriate to a woman, because that misogyny was completely ingrained into the hegemonic culture before the mid-2010s. Hell, I remember actively being told 'not to give up' when a girl I liked rejected me, which looking back was terrible advice. But nobody wants to go through a process that's going to mean admitting they were part of the problem, and it takes genuine willpower to face that. If you say you 'don't have an ideology', you're talking out of your arse. Everyone has an ideology, if you think you don't you just share the ideology of the dominant culture, either because you genuinely believe in it or because you've never examined yourself. Not having an ideology is just walking past someone being beaten to death in the street, and considering yourself 'neutral' because you didn't intervene. You might not think you chose a side, but you did.
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Camrath posted:Fudge Are you still doing all this in your home kitchen cause if so thats quite impressive.
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Gonna assume that it's not good news that Johnson's almost half an hour late for this covid briefing. Also I'm just going to assume the announcement will be exactly the same as the Scottish one and that existing restrictions will remain in place for at least another couple of weeks.
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Was it guavanaut who said 'saying you don't have an ideology is like saying you don't have an accent'? It was someone itt. Anyway, that's a really useful analogy
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One of my few joys over the last few years has been watching Bojo, who clearly wanted to be PM so he could play the big man and get all the blowjobs he could handle while doing very little actual work, visibly poo poo his pants as he realised he was going to have to be the guy to deal with probably the greatest international crisis of our era so far lolBarry Foster posted:Was it guavanaut who said 'saying you don't have an ideology is like saying you don't have an accent'? It was someone itt. Anyway, that's a really useful analogy That's a good way of putting it actually.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Gonna assume that it's not good news that Johnson's almost half an hour late for this covid briefing. Also I'm just going to assume the announcement will be exactly the same as the Scottish one and that existing restrictions will remain in place for at least another couple of weeks. Calling it now. If its Boris, there will be some easing restrictions. If its not Boris, there will be no easing and will be delayed. EdIt: drat. happyhippy fucked around with this message at 17:38 on May 14, 2021 |
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forkboy84 posted:Because when people like Angus Robertson, Nicola Sturgeon & most of the rest of the MSPs joined the SNP it wasn't a cushy job guaranteeing government for life. There's an awful lot of true believers. That probably changes the long they are in forever-government, but it's not like it's been that long since being in the SNP as a politician gave you little chance of being more than a councillor as there was no Holyrood & they'd only get 5-10 MPs. By 'not that long' you mean nearly a quarter of a century, you realise.
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Turns out, as always, it's both. Interesting to see how much they try to expand the vaccinations though - I definitely have the impression that the capacity is there, and there also seems to be a lot of demand in the younger cohorts. However the organisation still seems to be a major hurdle (as seen by the vastly different uptake rates between regions) and I get the feeling that there's no real way of speeding things up there.
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