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jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

UBI is still in the stage of policy where people feel the need to only commit to "trials" to gather "evidence". Credit where credit is due for pushing it forward tbh

E: '97 - its blair time lol

jiggerypokery fucked around with this message at 18:41 on May 16, 2021

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Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

something is far too horny about this



I mean this is size-difference, anal insertion of the foot, with added heels, and the smaller person is acting as an object (shoe). There's a lot of potential interests this crosses.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Ravel posted:

If you have an adverse reaction to your second dose, don't use your annual leave. That is the definition of a sick day.

Yeah, but if I go sick unexpectedly we end up in real trouble, whereas planned days we can work around. There are five people who work in my pharmacy and two of em are on long-term sick so we're on a knife edge. I'll take a sick day tomorrow if I have to but I'm still annoyed about it.

e: also we use the Bradford Measure so if I have three instances of absence in a rolling year I get called into a meeting and I have my job threatened so you know

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/saladroit/status/1393349763173543939

Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

something is far too horny about this



I see someone's been playing Resident Evil.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


HopperUK posted:

Yeah, but if I go sick unexpectedly wemy boss ends up in real trouble,
ftfy. If there's not enough people to cover absences, they need to hire more people. Don't make their problem your problem.

HopperUK posted:

e: also we use the Bradford Measure so if I have three instances of absence in a rolling year I get called into a meeting and I have my job threatened so you know
This is a bigger issue but if you've got a half-decent Union & your boss isn't a megolomanic small business owner then really, they're just trying to pressure you into making their problem your problem, don't buy into it

Ravel
Dec 23, 2009

There's no story

Borrovan posted:

they're just trying to pressure you into making their problem your problem, don't buy into it

Yes. If you're being considerate of your immediate colleagues or you want to avoid negative political outcomes that one thing. If you're making personal sacrifices to protect your employer and their ongoing operating activities, then remember that they will never reciprocate. Especially if there's some three strike arrangement like you mentioned.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Oh no I can't watch the sequel to a film I didn't watch in a franchise I haven't seen any of starring some rear end in a top hat I mostly know for terrible i/p tweets.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
Is eve barlow a coronation street character?

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
i wish my union didn’t suck but i mean it’s academia i think it legally has to

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

Does anyone have any good reading on Universal [thing] as a step away from the musical-chairs world of the jobs market as the only way of surviving?

I'm seeing more liberals cottoning on to the fact that maybe the total amount of work that needs doing doesn't necessarily match up with [40h/week] x [total working age population], and talking about UBI as a result. Pitfalls I can see are:

- Setting the level way too low
- Scrapping all other benefits, including needs-related disability ones
- Unregulated housing market sucking up the UBI, leaving things functionally the same (but with no benefits, see above)

Meanwhile MMT people are keen on the UJG (universal jobs guarantee), which I guess is attractive to the "rah money for nothing" crowd, and there are definitely things the government could be paying people to be doing, but it sounds a bit too much like "work=good" to me. Works well as an automatic stabiliser during the regular downturns of capitalism though - plus in a pandemic the government can say "your job this month is to stay and home and not cough on people".

And we've talked about UB services before too, which I like because the landlords can't take them, and we have accepted precedent in the NHS.

I'd love to learn more about these things from a leftist perspective, if anyone's got any material.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Joke's on her I already watched it it was poo poo

bump_fn posted:

i wish my union didn’t suck but i mean it’s academia i think it legally has to
:smith::hf::smith: we didn't make the 50% turnout requirement on a single industrial action ballot. 2 votes short one time (with a 90% "yes" vote), people were reporting ballot papers being seen in pigeon holes of colleagues who retired years ago & the Union just accepted it

Still better than not having a Union tho

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The notion of a "jobs guarantee" is extremely suspect to me because we already have it and it's called workfare.

Bobstar
Feb 8, 2006

KartooshFace, you are not responding efficiently!

OwlFancier posted:

The notion of a "jobs guarantee" is extremely suspect to me because we already have it and it's called workfare.

That too. It may be over-optimistic of the UJG proponents to imagine a non-evil government that will pay a good wage to do necessary public works, to anyone that wants a job, rather than forcing people to work for private companies in order to receive their sub-minimum-wage benefits.

Or to hope the former won't morph into the latter over time.

Bobstar fucked around with this message at 19:39 on May 16, 2021

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Borrovan posted:

ftfy. If there's not enough people to cover absences, they need to hire more people. Don't make their problem your problem.

This is a bigger issue but if you've got a half-decent Union & your boss isn't a megolomanic small business owner then really, they're just trying to pressure you into making their problem your problem, don't buy into it

I get that you guys all mean well and thank you for the advice.

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



My Bradford factor was hilarious by the time they medically retired me 😄 🤣

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Bobstar posted:

Does anyone have any good reading on Universal [thing] as a step away from the musical-chairs world of the jobs market as the only way of surviving?

I'm seeing more liberals cottoning on to the fact that maybe the total amount of work that needs doing doesn't necessarily match up with [40h/week] x [total working age population], and talking about UBI as a result. Pitfalls I can see are:

- Setting the level way too low
- Scrapping all other benefits, including needs-related disability ones
- Unregulated housing market sucking up the UBI, leaving things functionally the same (but with no benefits, see above)

Meanwhile MMT people are keen on the UJG (universal jobs guarantee), which I guess is attractive to the "rah money for nothing" crowd, and there are definitely things the government could be paying people to be doing, but it sounds a bit too much like "work=good" to me. Works well as an automatic stabiliser during the regular downturns of capitalism though - plus in a pandemic the government can say "your job this month is to stay and home and not cough on people".

And we've talked about UB services before too, which I like because the landlords can't take them, and we have accepted precedent in the NHS.

I'd love to learn more about these things from a leftist perspective, if anyone's got any material.

I don't have any handy links to a lit review of the whole thing that I would call good, but on this topic, I feel that for context and sense-motive reasons, it may make it easier to understand where the Randall Wrays of the world are coming from if one also knows that that the sheer fury of the UBI-vs-UJG argument has its roots in 1970s-vintage Keynesian wars over the causes of stagflation (to wit, whether it would have been sufficient to 'cap and trade' inflation, or whether detailed indicative planning was required - hinging on one's embedded understanding of where wage-price spirals and cost-push pressures are really coming from)

In both, regardless, the message is usually not that there is not enough work to go around but that there is enough work to go around and an endemic market failure in not matching people to do said work: that it is a grotesque moral horror that society's collective economic response to a massive unexpected fall in its lifetime income (i.e., in a recession) could ever be to do even less work (by having more people out of the employed labour force, with associated human suffering from privation. That is, having less stuff). UBI studies, especially older ones, usually emphasize how much they don't impact work incentives

conversely, the universal-services moment is a more recent one and rests explicitly on the supposed superiority of the political defensibility of such programmes in the long-term; the zero-marginal-product-worker concern from automation is also the fruit of a somewhat more recent set of concerns (not especially business cycles). because they're different, and because their core impulses pull in opposite directions, there's a lot of churn and inconsistency out there

ronya fucked around with this message at 20:09 on May 16, 2021

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Ravel posted:

Yes. If you're being considerate of your immediate colleagues or you want to avoid negative political outcomes that one thing. If you're making personal sacrifices to protect your employer and their ongoing operating activities, then remember that they will never reciprocate. Especially if there's some three strike arrangement like you mentioned.

Missed this one somehow. Of course I don't care about my employer and the billionaire who bought us out a few years ago. I care about my immediate colleagues, and about me not getting yelled at by some middle-aged shitstain who thinks howling 'but you said it would be here on Tuesday' will somehow make me able to produce out-of-stock medication out of my arse. I care about getting the job done so the elderly, vulnerable people I supply the meds for don't end up with nothing. This sucks and is a way the company is taking advantage of our compassion but it's not easy to ignore. I'm so close to burnout. If I could survive without this loving job I would kick it into the sun.

IllusionistTrixie
Feb 6, 2003

Dead Goon posted:

My Bradford factor was hilarious by the time they medically retired me 😄 🤣

Going off your user name, I'd assume it was trending towards infinity.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

HopperUK posted:

Missed this one somehow. Of course I don't care about my employer and the billionaire who bought us out a few years ago. I care about my immediate colleagues, and about me not getting yelled at by some middle-aged shitstain who thinks howling 'but you said it would be here on Tuesday' will somehow make me able to produce out-of-stock medication out of my arse. I care about getting the job done so the elderly, vulnerable people I supply the meds for don't end up with nothing. This sucks and is a way the company is taking advantage of our compassion but it's not easy to ignore. I'm so close to burnout. If I could survive without this loving job I would kick it into the sun.

I'm sorry to hear this Hopper. Can't offer much advice, but sending hope!

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I liked jojo rabbit tbh

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



ThomasPaine posted:

I liked jojo rabbit tbh

Was there supposed to be something wrong with it?

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Josef bugman posted:

I'm sorry to hear this Hopper. Can't offer much advice, but sending hope!

Cheers JB. I'm grumpy about it right now but I do like the actual job. I would just like it if everyone above the store manager would fall into a lake.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

Pictured: Poster prepares to celebrate Holy Communion (probablY)

This avatar made possible by a gift from the Religionthread Posters Relief Fund

HopperUK posted:

Cheers JB. I'm grumpy about it right now but I do like the actual job. I would just like it if everyone above the store manager would fall into a lake.

That's very similar to me in general. Our new director isn't horrific at least, even making some good "progessivey" noises. You keep safe though bud,

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

happyhippy posted:

My friend's family boil their eggs in a kettle when they make the tea/coffee.

That method is from the old days for sure... along with throwing them in along with the spuds near the end.

Gambrinus
Mar 1, 2005

HopperUK posted:

Missed this one somehow. Of course I don't care about my employer and the billionaire who bought us out a few years ago. I care about my immediate colleagues, and about me not getting yelled at by some middle-aged shitstain who thinks howling 'but you said it would be here on Tuesday' will somehow make me able to produce out-of-stock medication out of my arse. I care about getting the job done so the elderly, vulnerable people I supply the meds for don't end up with nothing. This sucks and is a way the company is taking advantage of our compassion but it's not easy to ignore. I'm so close to burnout. If I could survive without this loving job I would kick it into the sun.

gently caress, I don't miss retail pharmacy in the slightest.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

stev posted:

Was there supposed to be something wrong with it?

Idk loads of people in that thread were making GBS threads on it

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese
*sweating profusely* more like...Colon Powell, am I right

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Colon Pummel

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Hey, Starmer's doing ANOTHER relaunch!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/16/keir-starmer-vows-all-new-labour-manifesto-and-economic-offer

This'll get him 20 points ahead, for sure!

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

ssssh I'm trying to keep my porn career a secret dammit

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Kieth Kurva posted:

“We can’t hug someone from the past, some historical figure, and say all we need is X. We’ve got to do it, the hard work is on us,”

gently caress you Kieth you can't stop me hugging and kissing Eugene Debs

Ravel
Dec 23, 2009

There's no story
Alexei Sayle introduced Corbyn at the protest yesterday as 'the real leader of the opposition' and there were huge cheers.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Ravel posted:

Alexei Sayle introduced Corbyn at the protest yesterday as 'the real leader of the opposition' and there were huge cheers.

If Corbyn launched a Monster Raving Socialisms Party, would it poll higher or lower than the LIb Dems

CGI Stardust
Nov 7, 2010


Brexit is but a door,
election time is but a window.

I'll be back

Failed Imagineer posted:

quote:

“We can’t hug someone from the past, some historical figure, and say all we need is X. We’ve got to do it, the hard work is on us,”
is this why Andrew Adonis is getting so mad at Kieth these days?

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Ravel posted:

Alexei Sayle introduced Corbyn at the protest yesterday as 'the real leader of the opposition' and there were huge cheers.

Yeah. Jeremy Corbyn was always a protest leader. Not surprising.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011

stev posted:

Was there supposed to be something wrong with it?

Main character was for the holocaust but then wants to bang hot Jewish girl, so learns error of his ways!

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Despera posted:

Main character was for the holocaust but then wants to bang hot Jewish girl, so learns error of his ways!

it's worth pointing out that the main character is a small child, for context. Movie was kinda schmaltzy tho

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Despera posted:

Main character was for the holocaust but then wants to bang hot Jewish girl, so learns error of his ways!

But he's 10 and he simply realises that Jewish people are normal humans because he was brainwashed to think otherwise.

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therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat
I loved the film. I remember reading the script years ago and really loving it. It’s always a pleasant surprise when a good script actually becomes the film one hopes it’ll be.

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