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MarcusSA posted:But you know you are vaccinated. I absolutely believe that to be the case, but not at 35-ish% fully vaccinated and when we have this much community spread. It's really that community spread that's the problem. Will it be there? Sure. But like somebody else said; if superman is shot with a dozen bullets and one gets through, it still frickin' kills him. If he's only shot with two bullets, the chances go way, way down. Superman is being bombarded if he's maskless right now. Superman don't gotta be bombarded to get back to normal if he just sits on his rear end and eats cupcakes for another little bit while community spread is chipped away at by vaccines. My biggest problem is that I don't know why we went from "we have to wait for 60/80%" (depending on who was talking) to "haha it's cool, gently caress it, let's rock" at half-ish that. If there are studies, gods, release them and let people see. Also the talk in this thread about immunity really shows what I just said about people having trouble with medical terms throughout this. We needed easily understood factoid sheets and we never loving got them. Never. Because the leading countries in the world were never prepared for this, had no idea how to cope with it, and have been flailing ever since numbers started going up.
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https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1394073263005913092?s=21 Nearly 60% vaccinated
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MarcusSA posted:https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1394073263005913092?s=21 Yeah, this is what I mean. This right here. Congratulations to them for being at 60%, too.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Yeah, this is what I mean. This right here. Congratulations to them for being at 60%, too. In theory that should be us in 60 (ish) days? Probably more like 75 but still. Getting to 80% is probably going to take 4x as long though.
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MarcusSA posted:https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1394073263005913092?s=21 I could of sworn Israel was like 80 percent months ago. So I looked for a chart and it's probably the same that says they are over 100 percent per 100 people. How does this work?  Edit, if someone has had both doses it's counting 2 for them...
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MarcusSA posted:But you know you are vaccinated. Is this just a matter of people not understanding how vaccines and immunity in general work, because we seem to accept that other vaccines aren't 100% effective and we should be celebrating that vaccines as effective as these have been developed in such a short period of time.
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Purgatory Glory posted:I could of sworn Israel was like 80 percent months ago. So I looked for a chart and it's probably the same that says they are over 100 percent per 100 people. How does this work? I think the discrepancy is due to most of the vaccines requiring two doses.
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MarcusSA posted:https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1394082992239304712?s=21 Whatever the UK and the US got wrong, they've done an amazing job with vaccination.
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Lolie posted:Is this just a matter of people not understanding how vaccines and immunity in general work, because we seem to accept that other vaccines aren't 100% effective and we should be celebrating that vaccines as effective as these have been developed in such a short period of time. We did at one point accept that vaccines are not one hundred percent effective and that they were merely a powerful tool in the struggle against pestilence. Then they suddenly became an end into themselves and if you have a problem with that, you’re an antivaxxer or a nonperson like a kid or a cancer patient.
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So now if you believe the CDC and follow their guidelines, you're an idiot or ignorant of danger or something?
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satanic splash-back posted:So now if you believe the CDC and follow their guidelines, you're an idiot or ignorant of danger or something? Yes, clearly that was my last several posts were saying. You caught me.
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My sister and brother-in-law are planning to come down for a visit in a few weeks for the first time since Christmas 2019. They're vaxed and as anti-social as I am, I'm "fully vaccinated" on Wednesday. They might want to visit my vaxed mom or my vaxed grandma. Or they might want to make a masked trip to the international grocery store we have. Or they might just want to sit around while we share memes and watch Air Disasters before my brother-in-law takes my dog for a long walk. Should be a good time.
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Mexico is doing really great (well, better, after the shitshow of December-February) The curve is basically the same as the US, but… there’s like no vaccination, less than 10% of pop have 1 dose, it’s super slow So what explains this drop, similar to vaccinated countries? The heat? Maybe a more benign variant spread ? Since it’s one of the lowest testing governments in the world, maybe a lot more people had COVID and it’s natural herd immunity? I’m definitely not antivaxx, but I do wonder what’s going on. Certainly not because people are following health recommendations… official Mexican govt PSAs never even mentioned that you should wear a mask (the emphasis was on washing hands and staying home)
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satanic splash-back posted:So now if you believe the CDC and follow their guidelines, you're an idiot or ignorant of danger or something? I mean... the CDC hasn't really had a great track record of accuracy, clarity and consistency over the past 15 months. I'm not super inclined to start trusting them now just because they're saying something I want to hear.
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I went to a dog park and nobody was masked and it almost felt normal.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:Mexico is doing really great (well, better, after the shitshow of December-February) I could be very wrong but it seems like it's hard a rougher time in drier areas.
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I read pages like https://usafacts.org/issues/coronavirus/state/ for my specific state and it just feels weird. 45% first dose 35% second dose; which seems unreal to me until I look at the age demographics  its so loving clear at what age group the 'hesitancy' originates and then it just cascades from there as people look to the example set by boomers
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People are dumb the vaccines are free and take like 15minutes out of your say, yes you can still test positive but you wont get horribly sick, hospitilized, and die. Of course it takes some BS made up facebook post about how a vaccine killed their mother and people go crazy.
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infraboy posted:People are dumb the vaccines are free and take like 15minutes out of your say, yes you can still test positive but you wont get horribly sick, hospitilized, and die. Except some people are because there's still a ton of community spread with this thing. Because not enough people are vaccinated to stop it, yet.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:
*laughs in Mexican who has lived 4 decades in a very corrupted government and is not surprised they would do their best to hide the real numbers* So yes, the answer is corruption and negligence. The usual.
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MarcusSA posted:https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1394073263005913092?s=21 Note that they achieved that with super strict lockdowns (travel restrictions, curfews, closing the airport, closing all the schools except special needs, people weren't allowed to visit other homes, closing non-essential stores, restaurants were delivery only) and even after they started easing restrictions they imposed a "green pass" system where many activities were restricted to people who were vaxxed or had recovered from covid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Israel#Third_wave They also massively ramped up their vaccination numbers and jabbed the majority of their population while the lockdowns were in place and then slowly eased up on the restrictions as the number of current infections fell, and even though their case numbers have dropped away to nearly nothing they still have a whole bunch of restrictions in place. Their vaccination rate has also dropped off to really low numbers so it's looking like they'll level out at about 60% vaxxed which is still significantly below the herd immunity level so I guess they're going to have to keep their restrictions for a while yet and knuckle down with the contact tracing if they get any significant outbreaks.
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Joined Pfizer Crew today.  So far just some mild arm pain.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Joined Pfizer Crew today. Congratulations and thanks . I really should catchup on NEET has it been good
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satanic splash-back posted:So now if you believe the CDC and follow their guidelines, you're an idiot or ignorant of danger or something? The CDC's guidelines have frequently been dogshit throughout the entire pandemic https://twitter.com/cdcgov/status/1233134710638825473 https://twitter.com/ap/status/1372926056085266439 Their messaging is also frequently terrible, they've been desperately walking back their "Masks are cancelled!!" announcement from earlier in the week https://twitter.com/ABC7/status/1393962194027433995 https://twitter.com/1010WINS/status/1393992204813799428
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Sjs00 posted:Congratulations and thanks . NEET is good.
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Platystemon posted:Every loving time they make some dumbshit rec, people come out of the woodwork to defend it as “they’ve got to sweeten the pot for compliance!” and then whoopsie-doodle, the CDC has to walk it back a week later and they look like fools.
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I am not even being facetious right now; where was the miscommunication? this visual aid makes sense to me; 2 weeks after your vax you are good to go. Nothing else; so the CDC now saying "We didn't say everyone take off their masks" is in fact not walking anything back? it was clear to me at least what behavior is risky and what is not . People just don't wanna waaaa
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Sjs00 posted:I am not even being facetious right now; where was the miscommunication? this visual aid makes sense to me; 2 weeks after your vax you are good to go. Nothing else; so the CDC now saying "We didn't say everyone take off their masks" is in fact not walking anything back? it was clear to me at least what behavior is risky and what is not . People just don't wanna waaaa The CDC naively assumed everyone was going to follow their guidelines in good faith when it should have been suuuuuuuuuuuper obvious that the anti-vaxxers would also take this as a green light to stop masking (if they were even wearing masks in the first place), especially after Fauci went on TV and pointed out that there's no way of knowing if unmasked people are actually vaxxed and we just have to blindly trust them. Don't forget that 30% of Americans don't plan to get vaxxed and it's incredibly unlikely that most of them plan to keep wearing masks out of consideration for everyone else. Note also that Gov DeSantis is now pushing to get rid of masks in Florida schools, although he hasn't gone as far as to make that official yet https://www.wptv.com/rebound/state-of-education/children-shouldnt-wear-face-masks-in-school-florida-governor-says The big message was "Masks are no longer necessary" and people didn't bother reading the fineprint E: It's also really clear that the CDC and the White House were completely taken surprise by the blowback against this decision and are scrambling to address it https://twitter.com/DrLeanaWen/status/1394029688629170181 https://twitter.com/seattletimes/status/1393814640719798274 Snowglobe of Doom fucked around with this message at 06:26 on May 17, 2021 |
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Sjs00 posted:sounds like a perfect storm of idiocy That describes the U.S. for the past 5 years.
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Unlucky7 posted:That describes the U.S. for the past 5 years. That's charitable.
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They’ve walked this back in the same way they’ve walked everything else back: by making excuses, by blaming others, by playing games with definitions. They never say “we erred”. In her interview with Raddatz, Walensky: Has a moment of celebration for a job well done. Excuses CDC’s failure to give warning to Congress, state and local health authorities, and institutions as “I told the American people we would deliver the science as soon as we had it”. This is a defense for a rogue information broker like Julian Assange, not a trusted public health authority. Responds to Raddatz’ prompt of “this is all on the honor system, and there are people who refuse to get vaccinate, about a quarter of the country, and who oppose mask‐wearing, and who could see this as a green light to go wherever they want, putting others at risk, especially in those indoor settings, including children and the immunocompromised” with quote:So, umm, this is a really important point, and that is, the guidance that we released on Thursday is about individuals and what individuals are at risk of doing if they are not vaccinated. If they are vaccinated they are safe. If they are not vaccinated they are not safe; they should still be wearing a mask or, better yet, get vaccinated. If these decisions have to be made on a community level, shouldn’t you have given community leaders advance guidance on how to handle this new information? It demonstrably did not go well. We could blame scores of local leaders around the country for fumbling, or we could look at the one thing they all have in common: CDC gave them a bad throw.
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Walensky also says, in the Raddatz interview, “if you were to develop an infection—even if you got vaccinated—you can’t transmit that infection to other people”. If someone knows where to find hot preprint she’s alluding to, please link it. The studies out of Israel and Scotland suggested that the reduction in transmission is something like eighty or ninety percent. It’s going to get worse with vaccinated people going mask‐off and refraining from testing. quote:Fully vaccinated people can: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html It’s one thing to say that vaccinated persons don’t spread the virus nearly as readily as unvaccinated people. It’s quite another to say that they “can’t transmit that infection to other people” and what’s more is that we don’t even need to test them. We know that vaccinated people can test positive. It sure is great that that mucous can only exit via a swab and never via respiratory droplets. This is practically a reversion to the early days of the pandemic when no one gets tested unless they have personally been to China.
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Platystemon posted:They’ve walked this back in the same way they’ve walked everything else back: by making excuses, by blaming others, by playing games with definitions. It's really hard to fathom how they hosed it up so badly. Under the Trump administration I learned that my lowest expectations were frequently not low enough, but this was a remarkably clueless announcement. It's seriously one of those "what did they think would happen?" moments.
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Platystemon posted:They’ve walked this back in the same way they’ve walked everything else back: by making excuses, by blaming others, by playing games with definitions. Note also that if it goes wrong and numbers start increasing it also gives them an out where they can say "We stand by our guidelines, the problem was unvaccinated individuals who cheated the system and stopped wearing masks and ruined it for everyone"
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