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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

RoboChrist 9000 posted:


1. The evidence exists but you are unable to find it because you are a poor investigator.
2. The evidence does not exist and so you cannot find it because there is no wrongdoing afoot.
3. The evidence exists but you are unable to find it because the criminal is extremely good at hiding their crimes.


4. Liberals

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Sucrose
Dec 9, 2009
I'm currently on twitter trying to educate a Q believer on the horror of Bonsai Kittens. She says she's "heard of it but doesn't want to look."

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Sucrose posted:

I'm currently on twitter trying to educate a Q believer on the horror of Bonsai Kittens. She says she's "heard of it but doesn't want to look."
don't do that

but also do soft owls next

Lammasu
May 8, 2019

lawful Good Monster
Can we talk about how stupid and unconstitutional these anti-deplatforming laws are?

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Lammasu posted:

Can we talk about how stupid and unconstitutional these anti-deplatforming laws are?

But cancel culture is bad when it hurts republicans. It's good when it's used to go after things republicans don't like, like the arts or education. The constitution is only good when the most incompetent reading of it justifies our needs for penis totem's, it's bad when it restricts our rights to be bigots or violent.

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

It's a special kind of brain that can find space to entertain both "you can't force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding" and "it's good to force Twitter to host Nazi content"

Florida is truly a land of contrasts.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Lammasu posted:

Can we talk about how stupid and unconstitutional these anti-deplatforming laws are?

They’re awful, but even beyond the legal implications, they do a poor job of understanding the scale of the social networks they’re targeting.

You just have to look at how Facebook was more than happy to just ban news links to its Australian users rather than let the Australian government dictate fee structures, and in doing so, managed to force the government to basically let them do whatever they want anyway so long as they pay some kiss-off money to “local news.”

IMO, all Florida’s legislation will likely do if it even survives the inevitable legal challenges is just inspire a stricter TOS for Florida, passive-aggressive bans that stop just short of limits, and probably plenty of product messaging explaining exactly who is to blame if you run afoul.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

Lib and let die posted:

It's a special kind of brain that can find space to entertain both "you can't force a baker to make a cake for a gay wedding" and "it's good to force Twitter to host Nazi content"

Florida is truly a land of contrasts.

The common denominator on both of these for the conservative is that they hurt other people. That's the depth of the analysis.

Queue up any of the many examples of a conservative pundit being vociferously for something awful until they are affected by it.

Oddly enough, the anti-mask, vaccine passport thing could easily be argued as an invasion of privacy similar to Roe V Wade. "I say I already have had COVID-19 (or the vaccine) and recovered so I am not going to wear a mask and you can't see my medical records."

But that would be admitting a personal right to privacy from government intrusion so they never even tried going there as far as I am aware.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
I saw a lady in the store today with a mask that read "wearing it out of FORCE, not out of FEAR" and all I cold think of was thank you, whatever it takes I guess. But just to go out of your way to cry to the world about how oppressed you are for wearing a piece of fabric in your face is just..something.

Thanks for playing, middle aged cranky lady in the grocery store.

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
It is wrong to mandate people wear a piece of cloth on their face that at best is literally saving lives, and at worst pointless but harmless while providing others with some measure of a sense of security.
On the other hand, if you show up to work without a tie we will fire your trashy rear end.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

It is wrong to mandate people wear a piece of cloth on their face that at best is literally saving lives, and at worst pointless but harmless while providing others with some measure of a sense of security.
On the other hand, if you show up to work without a tie we will fire your trashy rear end.

Look it's fine when it's a private business enforcing a dress code. Unless it's a store that I frequent, then it's horrible communiosocialism.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Dirk the Average posted:

Look it's fine when it's a private business enforcing a dress code. Unless it's a store that I frequent, then it's horrible communiosocialism.

True. And what about high end restaurants and snooty country clubs with strict dress codes? Aren't those mostly patronized by rich republican types and therefore not tyranny?

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

Dirk the Average posted:

Look it's fine when it's a private business enforcing a dress code. Unless it's a store that I frequent, then it's horrible communiosocialism.

Neojudeoglobalsociocommunism

Pussy Quipped
Jan 29, 2009

Saw this on Twitter and god drat

https://twitter.com/mattshuham/status/1394666856171122692?s=21

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003


I mean what else do you say

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
Lots of stupid people got exposed to the same propaganda and managed to not become Nazis, let alone openly treasonous ones.

Stupidity is necessary to become a fascist, but it is not sufficient. You have to be deficient in both morals and intellect.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Nah, they're definitely bad people. I mean he's the lawyer so he has to say poo poo like that, but they're terrible, terrible people. Let's stop stigmatizing those with mental and developmental conditions.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

DarkCrawler posted:

Nah, they're definitely bad people. I mean he's the lawyer so he has to say poo poo like that, but they're terrible, terrible people. Let's stop stigmatizing those with mental and developmental conditions.

This doesn't exactly sound like defense of your client. Using the r-word to describe someone who has hired you to defend them seems like a violation of professional standards, if lawyers have those.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

This doesn't exactly sound like defense of your client. Using the r-word to describe someone who has hired you to defend them seems like a violation of professional standards, if lawyers have those.

“My client is a total goddamn moron that believed every lie that our failed steak salesman reality TV show president said over the last four years” is the best defense any of these guys is gonna get.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

This doesn't exactly sound like defense of your client. Using the r-word to describe someone who has hired you to defend them seems like a violation of professional standards, if lawyers have those.

nazis tend not to have good legal representation. remember this guy?

Strawberry Pyramid
Dec 12, 2020

by Pragmatica

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

Lots of stupid people got exposed to the same propaganda and managed to not become Nazis, let alone openly treasonous ones.

Stupidity is necessary to become a fascist, but it is not sufficient. You have to be deficient in both morals and intellect.

Counterpoint: Hanlon's razor doesn't exist, stupidity and evil are the same thing.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:

nazis tend not to have good legal representation. remember this guy?



No, nor do I particularly care to

RubberLuffy
Mar 31, 2011
https://www.kwklaw.net/albert-watkins

The first sentence of the lawyer's bio page says a lot

Vesi
Jan 12, 2005

pikachu looking at?

RubberLuffy posted:

https://www.kwklaw.net/albert-watkins

The first sentence of the lawyer's bio page says a lot

quote:

Watkins successfully defended a white elementary school principal accused of felonious sexual misconduct involving ten African American third-grade students. The principal was fully acquitted of all charges following two full jury trials.

feels like I've read about a lawyer boasting about this case before or maybe it was a different principal

RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa

Strawberry Pyramid posted:

Counterpoint: Hanlon's razor doesn't exist, stupidity and evil are the same thing.

Nah. I know some stupid as gently caress people who are wonderful human beings. Being unintelligent can be an obstacle to living a moral life, but it by no means precludes it.

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
I'm not disagreeing with his counsel, I just don't see how it's a defense.

tigersklaw
May 8, 2008
It’s difficult to mount a zealous defense when your client is on video committing his crimes and admitting he committed his crimes, so at that point you just call him an idiot and hope the court has mercy

https://mobile.twitter.com/LightsCameraPod/status/1287771905248952322

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

I'm not disagreeing with his counsel, I just don't see how it's a defense.

He's going to argue that he isn't responsible for what he did, its aspergers fault, it's Trump's fault, whatever, he's too stupid to be held responsible.

Like how (white) children are not prosecuted for an accidental murder as adults, that kind of thing.

SaturdayKnight
Mar 31, 2011

Insanity Defense but it’s a stupidity defense instead. “My client doesn’t possess enough brain cells to know that they are doing the wrong thing.”

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

For some reason I'm flashing back to that guy Texas sent to the chair whose last request was that his dessert be put aside so that he could finish it later. Completely different situation though, as he was black.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

RubberLuffy posted:

https://www.kwklaw.net/albert-watkins

The first sentence of the lawyer's bio page says a lot

quote:

Albert S. Watkins, the founding member and senior counsel with the firm is, quite candidly, beyond description.
Not true. He looks like a sundried Steve Buscemi.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

tigersklaw posted:

It’s difficult to mount a zealous defense when your client is on video committing his crimes and admitting he committed his crimes, so at that point you just call him an idiot and hope the court has mercy

https://mobile.twitter.com/LightsCameraPod/status/1287771905248952322

Isn't "my client got on video and bragged about doing crimes" prima facie evidence that he has diminished capacities?

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

Vesi posted:

feels like I've read about a lawyer boasting about this case before or maybe it was a different principal

You might be remembering the plot of The Devil’s Advocate

Chadzok
Apr 25, 2002

"Watkins is also known for his “outside of the box” handling of matters, including a request for a “toasted ravioli smackdown” as a means by which to settle a case; the promotion of an “empathy seminar” at the polar bear pit at the world renowned St. Louis Zoo and his colorful court presentation in a suit against Disney in connection with an intellectual property case involving Santa Paws."

It's literally Saul Goodman

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

tigersklaw posted:

It’s difficult to mount a zealous defense when your client is on video committing his crimes and admitting he committed his crimes, so at that point you just call him an idiot and hope the court has mercy

https://mobile.twitter.com/LightsCameraPod/status/1287771905248952322

Makes me think of that R Kelly episode of The Boondocks myself.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

tigersklaw posted:

It’s difficult to mount a zealous defense when your client is on video committing his crimes and admitting he committed his crimes, so at that point you just call him an idiot and hope the court has mercy

Cops seem to manage to pull it off.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

BiggerBoat posted:

Cops seem to manage to pull it off.

Cops have a judge and prosecutor bending over backwards to twist some way to get them off of any charge though.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
https://twitter.com/PeakOfMtStupid/status/1394707179916218371

actually you cant call the qanon shaman is stupid even if he admitted to crimes, because what he did was cool and good actually

alf_pogs
Feb 15, 2012


I plead donkey brains your honour!

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Strawberry Pyramid posted:

Counterpoint: Hanlon's razor doesn't exist, stupidity and evil are the same thing.

Somehow the wrongest thing posted in a thread about QAnon.

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