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Shrek falls in love with Fiona without knows she ogres at night, and she accepts him even while assuming that Farquad would be the one who'd break her curse and un-ogre her. It's a more "you're beautiful whoever you are" message than a stance against miscegenation. It's totally a feud between millionaire CEO's though, which I find entertaining.
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May 19, 2021 15:28
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Vote for the mystery box party. Secret policies announced after election.
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May 19, 2021 15:37
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My 2nd vaccination appointment has come through. Just texted a friend who will be getting hers around the same time, might see if I can change mine to the same as hers so I can cadge a lift! (The place is inaccessible by public transport without an overnight stay or a £50 taxi!) Also, went for my first free Granny Swim since hitting 60 over a year ago. Only been able to use my bus pass once as well. Wales (well my bit anyway - but I think it's all Wales) does a free over 60s swim once a week, book in advance only 10 total in the pool, no more than 2 per lane. max 45 mins swim, no showers etc etc. Apart from a few days last August when swimming was basically sitting out in the sun and taking a dip, this is my first swim for almost 2 years! Did 500m. My shoulders and arms really felt it, all my exercise for the last year has been walking. Some other old ladies there also creaking and just so pleased to get some exercise of their joints. Except for a few weeks between lockdowns, it's the first time the pool has been open since December 2019! (What with the floods etc just before covid). And also they suspended the free granny swims all last year too.
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May 19, 2021 15:38
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Unkempt posted:https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?year=2019&title_type=feature& Ignoring that there are central franchises is, frankly, obtuse.
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May 19, 2021 15:45
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Shrek isn't cynical?? Who the gently caress watches shrek and thinks it's cynical? It is literally a story where the power of love overcomes lovely normativity-for-its-own-sake. The gently caress is cynical about it?
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May 19, 2021 15:50
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Anything is cynical if you try hard enough
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May 19, 2021 15:51
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Calling Shrek racist is the sort of performatively woke bullshit that people hate our side for. Please don’t do it.
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May 19, 2021 15:56
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I would suggest perhaps that it represents racism in its setting but I don't at all think it says that it is a good thing, if I was going to make a comment about that I would probably go with "internalized racism harms people and is actually bad" even if it is a little confused about the messaging sometimes.
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May 19, 2021 15:58
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Also sometimes an ogre is just an ogre. The whole thing was as close to a 'love is love' and 'live your truth' message as you could get in an early 00s family movie, and not much more or less than that.
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May 19, 2021 16:06
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The first Shrek is fine, but if it didn't exist we probably wouldn't have gotten two decades of mostly terrible Dreamworks-smirk animated films. So it's terrible.
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I think the film industry is in the same bind as it was in the 50s and 60s with the coming of television - the desperate need to differentiate the in-cinema experience from the Netflix experience means that they're just throwing money at pointless bullshit, meaning that the cost of movie making has gone up so much that they don't dare greenlight anything that they can't make a billion dollars on. Just like the last time it'll settle down as the market rebalances and (good) directors will learn to use CGI and digital filmmaking as effectively as they did colour and Cinemascope. What we've lost, probably permanently, is the B+ standalone film. We're never going to see another Trading Places or Princess Bride or Groundhog Day* because they can't be stretched out into a 3-film franchise, let alone 5 series on Amazon Prime. Now you might say that's a fair swap for the effective rebirth of episodic drama and comedy on the VoD platforms, but sometimes you just want 90 minutes of good solid entertainment that's nicely tied up at the end, rather than what is effectively a neverending series of sequel hooks. * To be clear I don't mean these are lesser films - those three are solidly in my favourites - just that they're neither Serious Cinema like, say, The Godfather nor Mechanically Reclaimed Cinema Product like all these loving superhero movies.
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Sakurazuka posted:Anything is cynical if you try hard enough Pfft, trying hard.
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Netflix and Amazon are creating tons of B-movies for their own platforms though, as in 'medium budget standalone films'. Granted most of these aren't very good but hey
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stev posted:The first Shrek is fine, but if it didn't exist we probably wouldn't have gotten two decades of mostly terrible Dreamworks-smirk animated films. So it's terrible. Dreamworks' batting average improved significantly post-Kung Fu Panda for what it's worth. 2004-2007 was a rough time though, Aardman joints aside. E: apparently Dreamworks has only ever had two flops; The Road to El-Dorado, and Trolls World Tour. Rather impressive. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 16:23 on May 19, 2021 |
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Was trying out my Photoshop skills today:
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Communist Bear posted:Was trying out my Photoshop skills today: I think you've made him look a bit too socialist there. I'm sure I've seen a Lenin image with rays like that round him? Was that your inspiration?
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Shrek's tone and metanarrative is cynical. Its story, admittedly less so. Edit: not metanarrative, idk what the right word is. The out of universe stuff. The attitude just rankles me, is all.Communist Bear posted:Was trying out my Photoshop skills today: This is pretty cool! Isomermaid fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 19, 2021 |
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May 19, 2021 16:28
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The blue of Tories seeps over him though!
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Now you might say that's a fair swap for the effective rebirth of episodic drama and comedy on the VoD platforms, Actually one thing I hate about the current period of prestige TV is how basically every drama series now is serialised. Everything had a single story told over 10-13 episodes, whether the story can justify it or not and so most series are glacially paced and every episode blends into the next to make it better for binge viewing.
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May 19, 2021 16:34
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Jakabite posted:Calling Shrek racist is the sort of performatively woke bullshit that people hate our side for. Please don’t do it. Mate, Shrek's dilemma is literally that the woman he loves is a different race to him and the resolution is that she was secretly the same race as him all along. I'm not saying that the producers wanted to secretly communicate a racist message, but it's very telling of their underlying beliefs about society.
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May 19, 2021 16:34
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His dilemma is that he has been treated like poo poo by humans his whole life and as a result expects humans to hate him, which via slightly contrived romantic comedy misunderstanding he comes to believe fiona does after beginning to come to terms with his sense of vulnerability on the subject and which then leaves him feeling extremely betrayed. Which I suppose you could technically reduce to "shrek hates miscegenation" but I think is a bit of a silly read.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/israel-gaza-uk-james-cleverly-b1850137.htmlquote:The British government has given its strongest statement yet in support of Israel's bombardment of Gaza, saying the country has a "legitimate right to defend itself". I am fuckin' steaming. Absolute bloody disgrace particularly when everyone in the world can see quite plainly that Israel kicked this latest lot off with its invasion of Al Aqsa on Leilat Qadr. gently caress this fuckin' government.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Mate, Shrek's dilemma is literally that the woman he loves is a different race to him and the resolution is that she was secretly the same race as him all along. The ogres are actually a metaphor for social class She was a princess, he lived in a shack beyond polite society
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 yeah uh I think I'm OK thanks
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May 19, 2021 16:49
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Comrade Fakename posted:Mate, Shrek's dilemma is literally that the woman he loves is a different race to him and the resolution is that she was secretly the same race as him all along. loving Nora it's a dumb fairytale film, it's not telling a message about "race mixing", it's barely got any message. Sometimes a kids film is just a film and performing some sort of cultural analysis is as worthwhile as making GBS threads yourself.
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OwlFancier posted:His dilemma is that he has been treated like poo poo by humans his whole life and as a result expects humans to hate him, which via slightly contrived romantic comedy misunderstanding he comes to believe fiona does after beginning to come to terms with his sense of vulnerability on the subject and which then leaves him feeling extremely betrayed. Yeah, and the resolution isn't that Fiona loves him despite the prejudice he receives for his race, but rather that she secretly was a member of that race all along.
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who cares. pick up a foot ball
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Shrek was an AnPrim who had society thrust upon him. He solved his problem by teaming up with a dragon capable of fighting the Lord's armies. The moral of the story is your micronation needs nukes.
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forkboy84 posted:loving Nora it's a dumb fairytale film, it's not telling a message about "race mixing", it's barely got any message. Sometimes a kids film is just a film and performing some sort of cultural analysis is as worthwhile as making GBS threads yourself. Jesus, everything is political, especially mass media produced by huge corporations, for children. That really shouldn't be a controversial statement here, in the UKMT, on the politics subforum. Also, this was such a glaring issue that they went out of their way to fix it in the sequel. It's hardly obscure.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Yeah, and the resolution isn't that Fiona loves him despite the prejudice he receives for his race, but rather that she secretly was a member of that race all along. It could perhaps have been a slightly better film without that, but that doesn't mean that the film is somehow anti race mixing it just also wants to do the bit where fiona has to choose to buy into the lovely human society or whether she wants to be an ogre. Which arguably means that ogre-ness isn't a very good metaphor for race (though you could draw allusions between them) and is a much better: Tenebrais posted:metaphor for social class Either way I think you have to ignore a large chunk of the film to reach the conclusion that shrek is a film about race purity. I think it very easily supports much better readings. Jaeluni Asjil posted:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/israel-gaza-uk-james-cleverly-b1850137.html I really am hopeful that the increasing condemnation Israel is getting for this will bear fruit at some point, I don't think anyone but the most disgusting oik people are on their side. But it is a shame how many disgusting oik people there are.
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Azza Bamboo posted:Vote for the mystery box party. Secret policies announced after election. Lootbox politics "I got means-tested benefits!!!"
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lol I’ve been in the pub all day and you guys are still on about shrek
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Comrade Fakename posted:Mate, Shrek's dilemma is literally that the woman he loves is a different race to him and the resolution is that she was secretly the same race as him all along. Comrade Fakename posted:Mate, Shrek's dilemma is literally that the woman he loves is a different race to him and the resolution is that she was secretly the same race as him all along. She’s not though is she, she’s an entirely different fantasy species. Reading it as ‘ogres = black people’ and ‘humans = white people’ is some A-Level essay poo poo. Like it’s not like it’s even two species with similar societies - Shrek lives alone in a swamp and bathes in mud and is a big scary ogre.
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TACD posted:lol I’ve been in the pub all day and you guys are still on about shrek I will never stop arguing about shrek.
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forkboy84 posted:loving Nora it's a dumb fairytale film, it's not telling a message about "race mixing", it's barely got any message. Sometimes a kids film is just a film and performing some sort of cultural analysis is as worthwhile as making GBS threads yourself. someone post the marxist feminist interpretation of Chicken Run (it's actually a fun video)
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The only thing racist about Shrek are the accents
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OwlFancier posted:I will never stop arguing about shrek. It’s us, we’re the cringey Shrek-people and we fuckin love it E: paging crispix to do a textual impression of Shrek
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Comrade Fakename posted:Yeah, and the resolution isn't that Fiona loves him despite the prejudice he receives for his race, but rather that she secretly was a member of that race all along. Well, not really, because the big reveal that her "true form" is an ogre comes after they fall in love and kiss. So they fall in love both fully expecting to be a human/ogre couple.
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IMO shrek is a movie in which the inherent oppressiveness of class based society and bourgeois social mores are scathingly deconstructed and laid bare and in which Fiona (who is the most important character) must make a decision as to whether to be a class traitor and become part of the aristocracy or whether she should embrace true proletarian freedom by living in the swamp with the wretched of the earth. Shrek is in fact an icon of the working class and we should all strive to uphold ogre thought.
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