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what if money, but stupider and stored in distributed databases
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May 19, 2021 21:44
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:what if money, but stupider and stored in distributed databases and also what if not just the system that propagates the money but the literal act of its creation is made destructive to the world
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May 19, 2021 21:45
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Lyon posted:i more mean conceptually not the current existing coins, more about decentralized finance in general perhaps rather than specifically crypto coins. the problem is that crypto isn’t meaningfully decentralized, some central authority has to exist to maintain it. look at all the changes to bitcoin and etherium’s code over the years; in what sense is that decentralized? not to mention all the proof of work/proof of stake/proof of ridiculous amounts of disk space can all be easily manipulated by bad actors (even assuming the internet was freed from US control [assuming widespread access to the internet even exists at that place and time!]). by the time society is at a place where the rich and powerful can’t unilaterally gently caress you over, the need for something cryptocurrency will be gone
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May 19, 2021 21:45
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:and also what if not just the system that propagates the money but the literal act of its creation is made destructive to the world that’s also money today though
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May 19, 2021 21:49
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:that’s also money today though the creation and maintenance of “fiat” currency is in no way comparable to *gestures at Bitcoin generating more CO2 per year than Bolivia* if you want to talk about the militaries that ensure it’s usefulness that’s another thing and only uniquely applies to America and maybe the EU kind of
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May 19, 2021 21:50
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it's a shame because "blockchain" is a cool word
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May 19, 2021 21:52
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google Murray Blockchain
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May 19, 2021 21:54
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May 19, 2021 21:55
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indigi posted:google Murray Blockchain crypto liberal 
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May 19, 2021 21:56
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indigi posted:the creation and maintenance of “fiat” currency is in no way comparable to *gestures at Bitcoin generating more CO2 per year than Bolivia* I had more the self perpetuating misery of capitalism and imperialism in mind but I’ll accept this answer for caboot’s undergrad student homework
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May 19, 2021 21:57
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I have to wonder what else about labor history and socialism in America has been suppressed after reading about the Red Summer in 1919 and the Elaine massacre. holy smokes.
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May 19, 2021 22:04
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almost everything
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May 19, 2021 22:06
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May 19, 2021 22:12
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the mods are pig fuckers (pretty sure this isn’t against the rules, but they are also little tiny babies who whine and cry and poo poo themselves frequently, so who knows)
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May 19, 2021 22:47
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Brain Candy posted:(this is not some mystical thing, each time you recall something you destroy that memory and recreate it physically. memory retention is tied to emotional intensity: this is why PTSD can get worse with time, as the memories actually strengthen as the new experience reinforces the old) so you're saying the reason i can't remember anything i read is because i'm preserving the information in pristine condition like a graded comic book
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May 19, 2021 22:51
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Centrist Committee posted:the mods are pig fuckers certainly no one else here is engaged in a protracted tantrum
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May 19, 2021 23:00
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:brains don't work that way. it's a developmental disorder "developmental" implies that the condition primarily affects proper growth and learning lissencephaly is fatal and in the best cases, those who suffer it may with modern medicine be able to smile no one has it in mind when they say smooth brained, and the only reason people think otherwise is they want to use the existence of those who suffer from it to score points in a game of gotcha on a message board if being disrespectful to those who suffer it is the concern, equating "smooth brained" as used here with lissencephaly should be a permaban.
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May 19, 2021 23:03
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god drat peanut-head mods
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May 19, 2021 23:07
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Homeless Friend posted:I could teach you how to build a rocket. But it doesn't mean anything if you are and always will be a burger flipper. So it consumes social value (i.e. my time or a teachers or what not) but does not produce any. Just like how a pinkerton with a machine gun could be required to make steel, but does not produce any. even in the face of planned functional illiteracy, people need to be able to fill out an application to flip burgers or build rockets or be an enemy of the people. whether the gatekeeping is necessary it's there
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May 19, 2021 23:10
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Centrist Committee posted:the mods are pig fuckers the day you can't call a stranger on the internet a pigfucker without being banned is the day I get banned
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May 19, 2021 23:15
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Hodgepodge posted:lissencephaly holy poo poo it's real??
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May 19, 2021 23:15
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riding on a lon bus to siberia...
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May 19, 2021 23:20
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:there is no reason to use the phrase "short bus people" when there are far more descriptive words available, like "anarchist"
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May 20, 2021 00:04
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indigi posted:holy poo poo it's real?? lol yes albeit not as a condition anyone would connect the term to if they weren't trying to play gotcha
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May 20, 2021 00:04
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The Voice of Labor posted:even in the face of planned functional illiteracy, people need to be able to fill out an application to flip burgers or build rockets or be an enemy of the people. whether the gatekeeping is necessary it's there I'm not saying its not required to get us there, just that the part where value is created won't be when you are taught to write. It's like this. If I showed you the long graph of things needed to create a paperclip, this god like view of it, there would be a convergence of multiple factors into one point presumably: the transformation of capital, natural resources, land, worker labor, etc into a paper clip. If I gave you this chart of causality what would you call the 'means of production'?
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May 20, 2021 00:17
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thinking very hard which insult will not be too insulting as the reactionaries blindfold me for the firing squad
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May 20, 2021 01:36
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Minrad posted:thinking very hard which insult will not be too insulting as the reactionaries blindfold me for the firing squad That's a gross oversimplification of the issue you gnashgabbing seek-sorrow
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May 20, 2021 01:42
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yall are posting like a bunch of homeless friends. do better.
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May 20, 2021 01:48
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lumpentroll posted:yall are posting like a bunch of homeless friends. do better. it’s “unhoused”
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May 20, 2021 01:52
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Homeless Friend posted:I'm not saying its not required to get us there, just that the part where value is created won't be when you are taught to write. It's like this. If I showed you the long graph of things needed to create a paperclip, this god like view of it, there would be a convergence of multiple factors into one point presumably: the transformation of capital, natural resources, land, worker labor, etc into a paper clip. If I gave you this chart of causality what would you call the 'means of production'? probably the shed where they keep the hammers and stuff
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May 20, 2021 02:10
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whoa
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May 20, 2021 02:11
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insofar as it consists of work discipline, basic technical training, literacy, etc school is a facility in which the commodity "labor-power" is produced. marx liked to work in terms of purely abstract baseline labor power but in point of fact many commodities can only be produced through the consumption of higher-value (as in, literally taking longer to generate because you need to train the guy as well as feed him) labor-power, so i'm not sure how easily we can classify schooling as purely superstructural
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May 20, 2021 02:31
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That is has more cost is precisely what I'm saying. The binary is simply for the purpose of presentation, irl it'll be jumbled up. You might well be tutored and such on the job, for example. Regardless, a capitalist would view all this as a cost not value production, which they want to capture. To me, whether learning to write or speak or build a rocket or training to jump 10 feet the complexity is irrelevant. A society is expending value, which is produced elsewhere and which is finite, in order to do so but not capturing any in return. Not yet.
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May 20, 2021 02:52
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Homeless Friend posted:I'm not saying its not required to get us there, just that the part where value is created won't be when you are taught to write. It's like this. If I showed you the long graph of things needed to create a paperclip, this god like view of it, there would be a convergence of multiple factors into one point presumably: the transformation of capital, natural resources, land, worker labor, etc into a paper clip. If I gave you this chart of causality what would you call the 'means of production'? I would contend that labor power is inseparable from labor power's ability to think. education is a necessary precondition for labor. it doesn't matter how you divvy up your superstructure and base, education stands outside in a sense because it's prior to any interaction between labor and resource that could be considered production, not prior in a temporal sense, prior in a logical sense. to answer your question, the means of production are land and capital property. the space you need to do work, the resources contained within it or growing on it and the tools to do whatever the work it is you're doing also usually a building or buildings to store everything in.
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May 20, 2021 04:02
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The Voice of Labor posted:I would contend that labor power is inseparable from labor power's ability to think. education is a necessary precondition for labor. it doesn't matter how you divvy up your superstructure and base, education stands outside in a sense because it's prior to any interaction between labor and resource that could be considered production, not prior in a temporal sense, prior in a logical sense. Yeah, that's all I'm saying. That's why education isn't a lump sum either, you'd learn broad modes of thinking in a educational institution and specific schemas at a workplace.
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May 20, 2021 04:25
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:some people are irredeemably loving stupid and a great proportion of the arguments that dominate debate within the left involve how much decision-making power a system should grant to the irredeemably loving stupid stupid smart dumb - all these categories are irredeemably essentialist. There's a little lenin inside everyone.
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May 20, 2021 04:37
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Celot is continuing the struggle in Luna Oi's youtube comments https://twitter.com/LunaOi_VN/status/1395230892340047874?s=20
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May 20, 2021 05:48
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Atrocious Joe posted:Celot is continuing the struggle in Luna Oi's youtube comments 
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May 20, 2021 05:52
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Atrocious Joe posted:Celot is continuing the struggle in Luna Oi's youtube comments That message took a wild turn at the end.
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May 20, 2021 05:55
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nothing can be used to prove truths about the fundaments or whatever, just google “crisis in <field name here>” for a million examples
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May 20, 2021 06:14
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