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bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Halloween Jack posted:

Not true. He looks like a sundried Steve Buscemi.

lmao yes he does

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Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Chadzok posted:

"Watkins is also known for his “outside of the box” handling of matters, including a request for a “toasted ravioli smackdown” as a means by which to settle a case; the promotion of an “empathy seminar” at the polar bear pit at the world renowned St. Louis Zoo and his colorful court presentation in a suit against Disney in connection with an intellectual property case involving Santa Paws."

It's literally Saul Goodman

tbqh if I was facing misdemeanor charges I would absolutely hire Saul Goodman.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.
Is it safe to say that a good portion of Qingers have dropped the part where this is all about Trump himself being a time travelling messiah?

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 23 hours!
That was always a fringe element of their beliefs. The main shared element of Q poo poo is that Trump is their savior. Whether he's their capital S Savior or a less religious one depends on the individual.

Froghammer
Sep 8, 2012

Khajit has wares
if you have coin
The latest episode of QAnon Anonymous had Dave Anthony from The Dollop on to talk about Jim Caviezel and it is a loving ride

Elea
Oct 10, 2012
Q anon is like 50% anti vaccine chat now.

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

It is wrong to mandate people wear a piece of cloth on their face that at best is literally saving lives, and at worst pointless but harmless while providing others with some measure of a sense of security.
On the other hand, if you show up to work without a tie we will fire your trashy rear end.
oh i can help you with that: wearing a tie means you're better than other people. if you HAVE to wear a tie you're very important indeed!
"not wearing a mask" became yet another way they could say they're better than you.
somewhere along the line "not wearing a mask" got changed to "not wearing a mask alone in your car"
and, eventually, it will evolve into yet another way for chuds to say "i'm better than those sheep" all together

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007

Elea posted:

Q anon is like 50% anti vaccine chat now.

Yeah, they seem to care about that even more than Trump. I have no idea why, though. I guess they absorbed so many vaccine nutballs, just as their insurrection numbers were shrinking due to nothing happening?

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Bobulus posted:

Yeah, they seem to care about that even more than Trump. I have no idea why, though.
They're mental children and Trump is no longer in the news every hour of the day and COVID is.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Flat Earth really died in popularity as a result of the rise of Qanon, so it's no surprise they're moving onto the next conspiracy bandwagon now that Trump is less and less relevant.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
Lmao that guy is certainly an impressive hollywood imbecile. Though I've heard Person of Interest was a pretty good show, can any fans see the deterioration of the lead's brain in real time?

jojoinnit posted:

Is it safe to say that a good portion of Qingers have dropped the part where this is all about Trump himself being a time travelling messiah?

There was an episode a couple weeks ago on QAnon that actually broke down the various factions of QAnon. In short, the initial two factions of QAnon at the beginning, contemporaneous with other shitposters like FBIAnon, were the people obsessed with superspies and 4chan evangelicals*. People who believed in supertech like time travel were folded in later.








*The fact that 4chan had a loving evangelical contingent still weirds me the gently caress out, and is yet more evidence that american christians aren't christians.

Elea
Oct 10, 2012
This right wing narrative about the armed forces being woke is really wrecking havoc with the Qanon narrative that the military is in charge and will save them. That the military is great and on their side plays a huge part in all their fantasies.

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
MORE INDISPUTABLE PROOF I AM BAD AT POSTING
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You can consistently bet on Qanon folk pushing the absolute most harmful narrative their puppeteers can cover up with.

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
e: wait do you woke as in the bad woke or the good woke?


Phobophilia posted:



*The fact that 4chan had a loving evangelical contingent still weirds me the gently caress out, and is yet more evidence that american christians aren't christians.


maybe the atheist edgelords pretended to be supa fundies and like many internet things, the joke was lost and became real.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

I assume the evangelicals were there for the racism and child-porn just like everyone else.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Froghammer posted:

The latest episode of QAnon Anonymous had Dave Anthony from The Dollop on to talk about Jim Caviezel and it is a loving ride

they took away his blanks lmao but the guy sounds like a psycho who realized he could get away with assaulting people because he was the star. the only difference between him and weinstein is he wanted to hurt people not gently caress them

Froghammer
Sep 8, 2012

Khajit has wares
if you have coin

Bobulus posted:

Yeah, they seem to care about that even more than Trump. I have no idea why, though. I guess they absorbed so many vaccine nutballs, just as their insurrection numbers were shrinking due to nothing happening?
QAnon was secretly a big tent conspiracy theory. Antivaxx was never the point, but it was never fully incompatible either. The antivaxx faction thought that vaccines were part of a deep state human harvesting operation, and the other factions went along with it.

There's no one steering the ship anymore though. Without Trump having a clear path back to power or more Q drops to bake, the community is losing its sense of cohesion as petty dramas and personal beefs are taking over. It's like two relatives that hate each other, but can always bond over football at family gatherings. If football stops happening, they stop being able to make small talk and have nothing to fall back on but their differences.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit

PhazonLink posted:

maybe the atheist edgelords pretended to be supa fundies and like many internet things, the joke was lost and became real.

who the gently caress knows. there is a decent sized contingent of anime fans who were homeschooled by christina parents, who weren't allowed to watch american cartoons because they were sinful, but managed to get away with watching anime

some of them got a pc in their rooms, and used them to browse 4chan, and since they were already extremely racist due to their evangelical upbringing, they fit right in, and changed the culture

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Phobophilia posted:

who the gently caress knows. there is a decent sized contingent of anime fans who were homeschooled by christina parents, who weren't allowed to watch american cartoons because they were sinful, but managed to get away with watching anime


This is probably what it is, but I can't shake the feeling all these weird hyper-catholics coming out out of 4chan lately are just WH40K larpers with some wires crossed

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


Phobophilia posted:

Lmao that guy is certainly an impressive hollywood imbecile. Though I've heard Person of Interest was a pretty good show, can any fans see the deterioration of the lead's brain in real time?

Person of Interest is great in spite of Caviezel, not because of it. Watching it before knowing much about him, I still got the vibe he was difficult to work with: his character was portrayed as an incredibly attractive nigh-invincible badass, there was no situation where he was portrayed as credibly in danger. Later seasons improved on that only because the writers started treating him like Superman and wrote around him. He was also fairly wooden and unemotive as an actor; one of the best episodes worked because they rolled with this: during a stakeout his partner realizes Caviezel's character has a death wish and is doing all this dangerous stuff because he's so emotionally numb he's suicidal. They try to get him to open up and talk about it. He doesn't.

Steen71
Apr 10, 2017

Fun Shoe

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

For some reason I'm flashing back to that guy Texas sent to the chair whose last request was that his dessert be put aside so that he could finish it later. Completely different situation though, as he was black.

Aren't you thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Ray_Rector? The guy Bill Clinton famously didn't pardon, though he should have.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

DarklyDreaming posted:

This is probably what it is, but I can't shake the feeling all these weird hyper-catholics coming out out of 4chan lately are just WH40K larpers with some wires crossed

A lot of them are kids who grew up in casual or non-observant mainline Protestant homes who tried to fill the sense of yearning and lack of purpose they felt after dehumanizing themselves on anonymous imageboards for years by flinging themselves into the most traditionalist form of Christianity they could find

16-bit Butt-Head
Dec 25, 2014

“I think the problem is you’re just uneducated.”
wrong thread lol

16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 08:00 on May 20, 2021

Elea
Oct 10, 2012

Meloncholric posted:

qanon is every possible conspiracy theory rolled into one and its all to try and rationalize a stupid man's world salad lol

That's it's strength though. I knew apolitical conspiracy people who got sucked into this pro-republican cult. All the conspiracy spots I know online are now hardcore right wing. I feel like that's 2 percent of voters at least.

Strawberry Pyramid
Dec 12, 2020

by Pragmatica
That these lost souls are able to find community among the most toxic manipulators possible almost completely unmolested by the authorities is a scathing indictment of western governments for relinquishing control of the internet to private interests in the first place, global capitalism for profiting off this radicalization, and western governments again for not sanctioning the unscrupulous countries that give these cesspits safe harbor by not digitally blockading their asses right at the fiber backbone.

The experiment to "liberalize" the world with the internet has backfired horribly: Balkanize it now before the damage becomes terminal.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:

Froghammer posted:

QAnon was secretly a big tent conspiracy theory. Antivaxx was never the point, but it was never fully incompatible either. The antivaxx faction thought that vaccines were part of a deep state human harvesting operation, and the other factions went along with it.
"secretly"

It was always a big tent, as it grew out of pizzagate and blood liberal is the most classic central tentpole.

Phobophilia
Apr 26, 2008

by Hand Knit
There's no lack of Hollywood/music industry imbeciles, I'm actually surprised there aren't more QAnon people. I mean, Robbie Martin saw some Qanon nut accuse him of eating and raping babies on some thread on Instagram, and when he read up on it, he instantly got red-pilled.

It probably comes down to some application of network theory: libs communicate with one another and expend their psychic energies on fake charity foundation bullshit. If you're Caviezel you spend all your time communicating with Christian fascists and absorb all their dumb poo poo beliefs.


The Chairman posted:

A lot of them are kids who grew up in casual or non-observant mainline Protestant homes who tried to fill the sense of yearning and lack of purpose they felt after dehumanizing themselves on anonymous imageboards for years by flinging themselves into the most traditionalist form of Christianity they could find

I get the impression another chunk of them come from observant Trump-voting families and they are A-OK with the chans because they are a Friend who helped get Trump elected. And constantly cooming off to /d/ isn't sufficiently incompatible with their Love of Christ.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
If the Christian religion can look at Trump and shrug him off as “we're all flawed vessels” then there is no such thing as sin or redemption because the framework is so lax that any behavior can be shrugged off if it’s to your advantage.

There is no there there and it is all hollow.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
When there is only one set of footprints, that's because you were riding in Epstein's plane and jesus was holding it up and flying it around making whooshing noises

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

Phobophilia posted:

There's no lack of Hollywood/music industry imbeciles, I'm actually surprised there aren't more QAnon people. I mean, Robbie Martin saw some Qanon nut accuse him of eating and raping babies on some thread on Instagram, and when he read up on it, he instantly got red-pilled.

It probably comes down to some application of network theory: libs communicate with one another and expend their psychic energies on fake charity foundation bullshit. If you're Caviezel you spend all your time communicating with Christian fascists and absorb all their dumb poo poo beliefs.


I get the impression another chunk of them come from observant Trump-voting families and they are A-OK with the chans because they are a Friend who helped get Trump elected. And constantly cooming off to /d/ isn't sufficiently incompatible with their Love of Christ.

There's no more imbeciles in Hollywood as there are in any industry really. The reasons people attach to Q get kinda complicated. For some it's just the next step in their confirmation bias, so those who already disliked Hollywood and what they thought it stood for to begin with (Hollywood has always been far more conservative than they'll admit). *Now* of course it all makes sense and aren't you very smart for not liking those celebrities in the first place. Given how targeted Q is towards celebrities and their baby eating ways, it's probably hard to throw your weight behind something you know is false which is why it's surprising to me when you see someone like Caviezel who goes full hilt into it.

The celebrity angle is really interesting to me though. So there's a gossip website called Crazy Days and Nights and it used to be real popular. It was mostly blind items and while there was always plenty that you had to take with a pinch of salt it also seemed to have a pretty good hit rate (An early blind item about Harvey Weinstein being a multiple rapist later turned out to have been submitted by Rose McGowan) however a couple of years ago I noticed some trends, first being that pretty much every young actress was engaging in 'yachting' and it started to have a whiff of bullshit about it. Yachting happens, sure, but it was getting attached to every name. Then it was that every celebrity death was actually pretty suspicious and you're not being told the full story (when Anthony Bourdain died the blind item was straight up that he had learned too much). That guy from GLEE who killed himself and had images of kids on his computer? Ah you see that was actually the fault of Ryan Murphy and his desire for young boys.

Pretty soon the comments (and there's a lot of comments) are all making connections. Suddenly that they were blind items didn't really matter anymore, everything that was submitted was true and the blinds they were getting started to support that. It wasn't about who hooked up with who anymore, now it was dark fanfiction featuring cabals of Producers who meet up and decide what children they get dibs on next.

Absolutely wild to watch it unfold pretty much in real time. Now the gossip people ran off to Instagram and all that's left propping up the site are the crazies.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.
I think for Qristians there's also an element of justification that so many of them are poor with horrible lives, but they can tell themselves they are righteous or whatever and will go to heaven, and celebrities, who are rich and live better lives than them, oh of course it turns out they are pedophiles going to hell etc..

Makes it easier to justify the marriage of the cross and the dollar.

Of course, the ones they like are being rewarded by Jesus for following him, but somehow in exactly the opposite of the way, he said he would in the Bible, their holy book, the literal words of God.

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"

pseudanonymous posted:

I think for Qristians there's also an element of justification that so many of them are poor with horrible lives, but they can tell themselves they are righteous or whatever and will go to heaven, and celebrities, who are rich and live better lives than them, oh of course it turns out they are pedophiles going to hell etc..

Makes it easier to justify the marriage of the cross and the dollar.

Of course, the ones they like are being rewarded by Jesus for following him, but somehow in exactly the opposite of the way, he said he would in the Bible, their holy book, the literal words of God.

Aren't most Q people pretty well-off suburbanites?

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
I like to tell stories about the woman who I used to work with. Loudest "christian" ever. Would tell people any chance how she was so faithful. The two things (over the course of a couple years) that she said really stuck with me.

"The problem with society today is we're TOO TOLERANT"

AND

"I wish I would get put on a jury. I'd love to sentence someone to death"

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Neo_Crimson posted:

Aren't most Q people pretty well-off suburbanites?
Yeah, the most remarkable thing about Q is that while it sounds like it should only be for totally alienated loons posting up crazywalls in their shacks, it appealed to ordinary suburban Republicans.

DarkCrawler
Apr 6, 2009

by vyelkin

Neo_Crimson posted:

Aren't most Q people pretty well-off suburbanites?

From my highly representative and scientific sample of browsing QAnoncasualties and shaking my head, approximately 95% of them are suburbanites whose friends and family just can't loving give it to them straight.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

I like to tell stories about the woman who I used to work with. Loudest "christian" ever. Would tell people any chance how she was so faithful. The two things (over the course of a couple years) that she said really stuck with me.

"The problem with society today is we're TOO TOLERANT"

AND

"I wish I would get put on a jury. I'd love to sentence someone to death"

Like it says in the Bible just like Jesus taught.


Murgos posted:

If the Christian religion can look at Trump and shrug him off as “we're all flawed vessels” then there is no such thing as sin or redemption because the framework is so lax that any behavior can be shrugged off if it’s to your advantage.

There is no there there and it is all hollow.



pseudanonymous posted:

I think for Qristians there's also an element of justification that so many of them are poor with horrible lives, but they can tell themselves they are righteous or whatever and will go to heaven, and celebrities, who are rich and live better lives than them, oh of course it turns out they are pedophiles going to hell etc..

Makes it easier to justify the marriage of the cross and the dollar.

Of course, the ones they like are being rewarded by Jesus for following him, but somehow in exactly the opposite of the way, he said he would in the Bible, their holy book, the literal words of God.


I think most of it has to do with being as basic as starting with the conclusion first and then force fitting reality into those predetermined conclusions. When that fails, they just rationalize or, in extreme cases, just make poo poo up. I've worded that weirdly but I see some sharp definitions between, say, really devout religious types versus agnostics or atheists where one presumably has all the answers while the other is comfortable admitting they don't know poo poo.

Or your average conservative who's already made up their minds about capitalism or whatever so they shoehorn every societal ill into a category defined thru that specific lens, most of which is driven by fear and a sense of discomfort that in their minds shouldn't exist because everything is already known so it must be all that unknown scary poo poo that's the problem. They want the argument to be settled and fear change of any sort. A lot of liberals suffer from this smug self righteous streak too but their worldviews seem to at least generally evolve and adapt over time.

For conservatives, it's all in the bible and traditions are sacrosanct simply for being traditional. The bible is right because it says it is. etc.

...

Man, that's kind of a lovely post I made but I tried to explain it as best as I could. It has something to do with how much these people slap flags on everything and are rather aggressive and showy about it. USA = good. USA = flag. USA flag on my car/house/shorts = I'm good.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."
You're not wrong. I have family who absorbs nothing but conservative media and are extremely religious. To them, there are things that are good and there are things that are evil. There are no shades of grey or areas where a good thing can be bad or a bad thing can be good.

Capitalism = USA = Patriotic = Good = God is a thing for them. An attack on any of those things is an attack on all of those things.

Socialism = Regulation = Government = Communism = Evil is another thing for them. My family have zero coherent definition of socialism. You can ask them over and over again and they will either fail to or refuse to define it, and whenever they speak of socialism, it is to say it as a word that means "bad thing that is bad." They also don't seem to differentiate between local/state/federal government either. They'll tell you that gubment is bad in one breath and that police are amazing and that their boots taste of only the finest shoe polish in the next. And then they'll say they're libertarians and are all for small gubment right after that, while advocating that we investigate every miscarriage as an attempted murder.

There is no introspection or cognitive dissonance. The closest I have ever gotten was when one of them defined socialism as "socialists build walls" during the 2016 election and I asked them about Trump's "Build the wall!" mantra. They short circuited for a moment and then said something about how that's different.

I've also had my family get frustrated with me because "you always have some numbers or statistics or reasons to back up what you believe!" Granted, part of that is that they have no loving evidence whatsoever for what they believe, other than articles of faith that they see as postulates that must be defended at all costs.

I had a coworker in a similar vein who once told me that he was going to "put extra gluten" on his lunch when we were on the way to the cafeteria. When I asked him why he just wanted to dump flour on his meal, he was dumbfounded, and it quickly came out that he had no loving idea what gluten was and just wanted to do it to own the libs (zero points for guessing that he listened to Rush Limbaugh every day).

I just don't get it. I don't understand the idea of not examining your beliefs.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 23 hours!
Examining your beliefs requires admitting some insecurity and showing a lack of confidence. They're signs of weakness and oh no we must never be weak, etc.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Dirk the Average posted:


There is no introspection or cognitive dissonance. The closest I have ever gotten was when one of them defined socialism as "socialists build walls" during the 2016 election and I asked them about Trump's "Build the wall!" mantra. They short circuited for a moment and then said something about how that's different.

I've also had my family get frustrated with me because "you always have some numbers or statistics or reasons to back up what you believe!" Granted, part of that is that they have no loving evidence whatsoever for what they believe, other than articles of faith that they see as postulates that must be defended at all costs.


Man, this.

So you use statistics and numbers and studies but I, however, use this book written exclusively by men thousands of years ago before anyone knew poo poo about poo poo that can be interpreted in numerous ways so both arguments are equal. Except my source is God so gently caress you and your science. Science has often been wrong but the Bible is always right and has stood the test of time. *fart*

About the wall, I posted on FB once about Reagan famously saying "tear down this wall" and got lectured to "learn my history" because the Berlin Wall was to keep people IN and not OUT. Seriously, that was the argument and I didn't even l know where to begin with that. Certainly that wall won't keep people IN Mexico or anything, right? And again it's USA centric that's totally viewed by what side of that wall you happen to be on; in this case I assume the CORRECT God ordained side.

"We're keeping them OUT", you see, so it's different. Check mate, Reagan quoter.

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Elias_Maluco
Aug 23, 2007
I need to sleep

Argas posted:

Examining your beliefs requires admitting some insecurity and showing a lack of confidence. They're signs of weakness and oh no we must never be weak, etc.

Also those beliefs act as justification and redemption for what they know they are

Most of people like that I see are selfish, cruel, bigoted, greedy etc. And they know it.

But this set of beliefs allows them to view exactly that as virtuous, right, moral, christian; they dont have to feel bad for not caring about homeless people, or for being racist or homophobic: they are the good people. And the peole talking about those issues, they are the evil ones, they are communists, satanists etc

Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 17:43 on May 21, 2021

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