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euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

national socialism is not really “left”

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Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Depends who's doing it and why

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Private Speech posted:

Sorry for the double post but it looks like porn passes are no more! Concerns being raised aplenty and campaigners distraught!*

*According to the BBC

Porn blocker 'missing' from Online Safety Bill prompts concern


the largest single source of pornography in the world lmbo

Looks like homegroan is still banned though.

lol this is all so stupid

any web connection that is allowing you to connect to a domain like pornhub.com is not going to stop you from connecting to a billion other websites that will not be implementing this

also, like how will this be applied to mainstream social media sites like reddit or twitter which allow porn?

also also, even they admit that this is not going to stop a single person with any degree of determination or IT ability (i.e. most teenagers) so they're attempting to frame it as preventing younger children from "stumbling across porn" but like where are they stumbling across it? are people linking to pornhub videos in the youtube comments section or something?

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


euphronius posted:

national socialism is not really “left”

was stalin a nazi? discuss

he was certainly pretty nationalist & socialist


e ^^^ it's because porn is filthy and for people who sin, op. are you a person who sins like that? do you want our children to do so?

Private Speech has issued a correction as of 12:41 on May 20, 2021

Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010
the Nazis were socialist in the same way the DPRK is democratic

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

This is all kind of missing the point though, it's clear what 'the Tories outflanking Labour from the left' means even if they are still a deeply reactionary party

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Move far enough right and you can easily be outflanked from your left by positions that are still fundamentally right wing

Privatization is literally Nazi science anyway, and the Tories arent the party of anti-semitism!

I'd struggle to call a party with no ideas outflanked though, it doesnt feel like the right word.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
I'm trying to find their research that says that explains how kids are "stumbling across" this stuff and porn is one click away from any page on the internet, and they really don't make their report easy to find

the only specific example they've given is someone intentionally on a porn website "stumbling across" more extreme content than they were looking for, which is bad but i suspect incentivising people to go to weird niche sites that aren't blocked by the ageID thing will not make that less of a problem

i particularly liked this bit from one of the summaries

quote:

Most interviewees would usually search for pornography on dedicated
pornography sites.

The most popular site for accessing pornography mentioned in the qualitative interviews was Pornhub. Other sites such
as xHamster, xVideos and RedTube were also mentioned. Such services will be required to carry age-verification once
regulation under the Digital Economy Act enters into force.

people currently use these pages to do this thing, therefore if we make it more difficult to use these pages then it will be more difficult for them to do the thing

no i don't know what the internet is, why do you ask?

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


just give me my loving porn pass with all my top stats on it you cowards

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth
Apr 23, 2004

Just imagining the meltdown if J. Corbz had renationalized the rails

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Jakabite posted:

the Nazis were socialist in the same way the DPRK is democratic

how is the dprk not democratic ?

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Private Speech posted:

was stalin a nazi? discuss

he was certainly pretty nationalist & socialist


e ^^^ it's because porn is filthy and for people who sin, op. are you a person who sins like that? do you want our children to do so?

Stalin was a communist. what the gently caress lmao .

CredulousAtBest
Oct 4, 2020
My name is CredulousAtBest. Glenn Greenwald constantly owning me has resulted in my prodromal schizophrenia, so please be polite when you deal with psychotic breaks and kindly nod to my unintelligible tripe.
its pretty funny that your gov is still all-in on the porn thing

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

the best porn search engine is bing for some reason, so yeah good job blocking that

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

multijoe posted:

This is all kind of missing the point though, it's clear what 'the Tories outflanking Labour from the left' means even if they are still a deeply reactionary party

most accurately boris is wise enough to plug all the holes that almost let a transformational labour government in - austerity, the rails being terrible, etc. doing it in the most tory way imaginable and very, very deliberately choose when and where he applies this generosity - ain't going to NHS workers for example - but that onetime dynamite manifesto is getting increasingly defused every day.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


euphronius posted:

Stalin was a communist. what the gently caress lmao .

he was also nationalistic, to what degree that was necessary with the war and all that is a different question

it was mostly a joke

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Private Speech posted:

was stalin a nazi? discuss

he was certainly pretty nationalist & socialist

quote:

What, then, is the way out?

The only correct solution is regional autonomy, autonomy for such crystallized units as Poland, Lithuania, the Ukraine, the Caucasus, etc.

The advantage of regional autonomy consists, first of all, in the fact that it does not deal with a fiction bereft of territory, but with a definite population inhabiting a definite territory. Next, it does not divide people according to nations, it does not strengthen national barriers; on the contrary, it breaks down these barriers and unites the population in such a manner as to open the way for division of a different kind, division according to classes. Finally; it makes it possible to utilize the natural wealth of the region and to develop its productive forces in the best possible way without awaiting the decisions of a common centre – functions which are not inherent features of cultural-national autonomy.

Thus, regional autonomy is an essential element in the solution of the national question.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Private Speech posted:

he was also nationalistic, to what degree that was necessary with the war and all that is a different question

it was mostly a joke

got you sorry I’m very defensive about Stalin

CredulousAtBest
Oct 4, 2020
My name is CredulousAtBest. Glenn Greenwald constantly owning me has resulted in my prodromal schizophrenia, so please be polite when you deal with psychotic breaks and kindly nod to my unintelligible tripe.
gov: "we are banning porn and demolishing the NHS haha gently caress you"

dopes: "anyway let us define the flavors of communism, we are sure to have novel takes on this"

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

XMNN posted:

I'm trying to find their research that says that explains how kids are "stumbling across" this stuff and porn is one click away from any page on the internet, and they really don't make their report easy to find

the only specific example they've given is someone intentionally on a porn website "stumbling across" more extreme content than they were looking for, which is bad but i suspect incentivising people to go to weird niche sites that aren't blocked by the ageID thing will not make that less of a problem

i particularly liked this bit from one of the summaries


people currently use these pages to do this thing, therefore if we make it more difficult to use these pages then it will be more difficult for them to do the thing

no i don't know what the internet is, why do you ask?

Wait until they learn about Bing video search.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


stalin seems like he was bad imo but im not a scholar or nothing

VileLL
Oct 3, 2015


Ghost Leviathan posted:

So it turns out Labour Against Antisemitism aren't Labour and aren't against antisemitism

[youtube voice] labour against antisemitism??!

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Communist Thoughts posted:

stalin seems like he was bad imo but im not a scholar or nothing

Dunno if he was a scholar in the egghead nerd sense but his writings on marxism are very highly regarded and accessible

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Who was that "hitler did nothing wrong" MP that the labour against anti-semitism people built a statue to honor while they were smearing the jam man again

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

CredulousAtBest posted:

gov: "we are banning porn

so it's not all bad

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I’m sorry for the Stalin derail.

my point was fascist parties helping out the Volk in some ways isn’t really “left”

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.
Last one on the porn thing, but kids aren't watching porn anyway.

https://twitter.com/JeremyMonjo/status/1395062090864365570?s=19

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

So it turns out Labour Against Antisemitism aren't Labour and aren't against antisemitism

Why all these groups such as LAAS and JLM don't just call themselves "We hate corbyn, palestine supporters, and anyone to the left of Ghengis Khan" groups I don't know.

ed missed a crucial bit out there!

Jaeluni Asjil has issued a correction as of 13:35 on May 20, 2021

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


I feel like the hardcore pornography was the least of my worries in terms of brain warping media when I was a lad

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Epic High Five posted:

Who was that "hitler did nothing wrong" MP that the labour against anti-semitism people built a statue to honor while they were smearing the jam man again

lady astor? and yeah "hitler did nothing wrong" is probably understating how broad her fascist sympathies were. oh also, the statue got put up and everyone was going on about how she was the first woman MP when she wasn't, ireland had elected Constance Markievicz previously who chose not to take her seat due to being an irish republican. we'd prefer to elevate actual literal nazis lmao

Clyde Radcliffe
Oct 19, 2014

DrVenkman posted:

Wait until they learn about Bing video search.

Its remarkably good porn search is the only reason to ever use Bing.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.
All of Eve Barlow's old tweets almost have this Dril level lunacy to them.

https://twitter.com/letsassume/status/1395355941512650754?s=19

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

CoolCab posted:

lady astor? and yeah "hitler did nothing wrong" is probably understating how broad her fascist sympathies were. oh also, the statue got put up and everyone was going on about how she was the first woman MP when she wasn't, ireland had elected Constance Markievicz previously who chose not to take her seat due to being an irish republican. we'd prefer to elevate actual literal nazis lmao

it's ken livingstone, the guy who can take any conversation and end it with "and hitler was a zionist too"

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
Ken Livingston, who got lots of interviews on Jeremy Corbyn's antisemitism

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
Hot take: Nationalising stuff is something the left and right have historically done. The real difference between regular socialism and extremism is if they pay they workers or use slave Labour

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




CredulousAtBest posted:

its pretty funny that your gov is still all-in on the porn thing

CoolCab posted:

most accurately boris is wise enough to plug all the holes

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




if someone derails a conversation about train nationalization im putting in an 18-hour probe minimum on the grounds of if being too on-the-nose irony

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


https://twitter.com/BarbaraSutton15/status/1395304002334699521

I feel like im slowly turning into an anger machine and I'll be activated when All Along The Watchtower starts playing in my house.

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
She's banking some JO material for later

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Jakabite
Jul 31, 2010

Flipswitch posted:

https://twitter.com/BarbaraSutton15/status/1395304002334699521

I feel like im slowly turning into an anger machine and I'll be activated when All Along The Watchtower starts playing in my house.

not only does she attend them, but actually listed them as the number one thing that had helped her get through lockdown in a feature in Politico. every other respondent, including some quite unpleasant and ghoulish people, said nice things like their dog, their bike, flowers, nature, and she said attending dawn raids. I don’t like to throw round pop-psych diagnoses but I genuinely think she’s some sort of socio/psychopath. I don’t imagine someone like boris or gove would at all enjoy seeing the on the ground effects of their policies - watching people be violently ripped from their homes isn’t something the vast majority of people enjoy seeing live. But she really does and I find that terrifying. I’m really hoping Boris shuffles her out of that post soon or she’ll be personally machine gunning protestors in the next few years.

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