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OwlFancier posted:I always find that one a bit difficult to buy when corpses exist, which are a far more obvious and available thing to be unnerved by than neandertals. Yeah this is what I always assumed was the primary motivator behind the uncanny valley effect. Like that feeling that you are looking at a human but also an inanimate object with no life in it, and the weird dissonance and sense that something is deeply wrong it causes, is shared pretty perfectly between corpses and androids. Last time I went to see a body I walked out pretty much immediately before being encouraged back in because it was just so obviously not the person, but the meaty object that they used to inhabit. Really unsettling to be honest.
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Jakabite posted:Like that feeling that you are looking at a human but also an inanimate object with no life in it 
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General "Tories want the land to build houses on" shenanigans aside, isn't there a strategic geopolitical reason for a country maintaining their own food supply in case their trade partners either decide to cut us off or are unable to meet supply for one of a multitude of potential reasons?
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Real Cool Catfish posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ImIncorrigible/status/1394419207354429445 Yes, what I want is meat transported from the other side of the planet.
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blunt posted:General "Tories want the land to build houses on" shenanigans aside, isn't there a strategic geopolitical reason for a country maintaining their own food supply in case their trade partners either decide to cut us off or are unable to meet supply for one of a multitude of potential reasons? Yes, I mean look at what covid has done to all kinds of supply chains.
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blunt posted:General "Tories want the land to build houses on" shenanigans aside, isn't there a strategic geopolitical reason for a country maintaining their own food supply in case their trade partners either decide to cut us off or are unable to meet supply for one of a multitude of potential reasons? Sure, but how much do you want to spend per year on it? At some point you have to work out the cost of being self-sufficient in all possible things and weigh it against the likelihood of everyone in the world deciding not to trade with us at once and realise you're burning money to hedge against something that's vastly unlikely Gort fucked around with this message at 16:53 on May 20, 2021 |
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Gort posted:Sure, but how much do you want to spend per year on it? $beef I guess I'm just surprised there aren't parts of the civil service/military trying to block it, though I guess the government is the government so yolo.
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OwlFancier posted:I always find that one a bit difficult to buy when corpses exist, which are a far more obvious and available thing to be unnerved by than neandertals. It's possible that the moving one is around a negative response to certain diseases or types of poisoning to ward people away, but there's a suggestion that other close hominins would be somewhere within there, as opposed to say monkeys which are humanlike enough that we can be amused when they drink a cup of tea or something without negative reaction (except when they wipe their lovely arses in your house and throw things about, as they do). blunt posted:General "Tories want the land to build houses on" shenanigans aside, isn't there a strategic geopolitical reason for a country maintaining their own food supply in case their trade partners either decide to cut us off or are unable to meet supply for one of a multitude of potential reasons? There's enough arable land that we could be, but it'd mean a vegetarian cereal heavy diet for everyone (probably a good idea anyway, but gammons will hate it with the fire of a thousand The Suns).
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blunt posted:General "Tories want the land to build houses on" shenanigans aside, isn't there a strategic geopolitical reason for a country maintaining their own food supply in case their trade partners either decide to cut us off or are unable to meet supply for one of a multitude of potential reasons? With the potential for climate change to affect what can be grown/farmed and where, maintaining our own food supply is *probably* a good idea. Instead of taking it behind the shed and putting it down. Can’t exactly rebuild it overnight if we suddenly realise we need it. On the other hand the benefits of a trade deal like this are
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blunt posted:General "Tories want the land to build houses on" shenanigans aside, isn't there a strategic geopolitical reason for a country maintaining their own food supply in case their trade partners either decide to cut us off or are unable to meet supply for one of a multitude of potential reasons? The going plan seems to be to make food ties with as many nations as possible so that no one bloc can go "oops, forgot the bread". It's not historically unusual for Britain to reach for America with one hand, Europe with the other, and try to plant its boot on its former Colonies at the same time. We now have limited influence in any of these spheres, though. An attempt to press into these spheres simultaneously risks falling in the space between them. In a position of strength, an open hand is a critical and potentially decisive thing in a negotiation. In a position of weakness, open hands are just begging.
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Guavanaut posted:It'd mean a vegetarian cereal heavy diet for everyone (probably a good idea anyway... I hope not, I'd fart like a gazelle
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Sapozhnik posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_the_Grain:_A_Deep_History_of_the_Earliest_States I read this, it had a lot of cool and persuasive ideas, and interesting facts. Unfortunately it apparently did not have an editor - felt like reading a second draft rather than a finished book. Very repetitive.
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There's a go slow driving protest in the town centre today for Palestine and all the gammons on Facebook are so mad about it
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On the "Giants roaming the earth" thing - it's one of those weird things that seems to have cropped up at multiple points in human history, in completely unrelated societies and one interesting theory I've heard is that it's one of a couple of ways very early religious/philosophical thought can go - that societies/religions that have giants in their mythology tend to have basically humanoid gods, while pantheistic/animistic societies tend not to have giants in their mythology. I suppose it's a natural progression once you achieve consciousness and start asking "Well how did that big loving mountain get there?" to think "Well I can move rocks around, so that mountain must have been put there by basically a really big version of me" and end up with a Big Beard (or Beards) In The Sky being responsible for the entire universe. Then they discover brewing and/or fun mushrooms and you start getting "Well I reckon that mountain happened when a giant ripped his cock off and threw it at another giant" turning up in the timeline.
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minema posted:There's a go slow driving protest in the town centre today for Palestine and all the gammons on Facebook are so mad about it Quite right. I wouldn't enjoy driving slowly through Palestine.
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Real Cool Catfish posted:With the potential for climate change to affect what can be grown/farmed and where, maintaining our own food supply is *probably* a good idea. Instead of taking it behind the shed and putting it down. Can’t exactly rebuild it overnight if we suddenly realise we need it.
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Trickjaw posted:Quite right. I wouldn't enjoy driving slowly through Palestine. You probably would tbh, it's really pretty.
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Miftan posted:You probably would tbh, it's really pretty. 
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Bobby Deluxe posted:*was He didn't specify Gaza. 
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Miftan posted:You probably would tbh, it's really pretty. Its more the artillery rather than the ambiance. e: In the normal course of events, I'd love it.
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blunt posted:$beef you're not going to sustain a national food industry on $48,879 e: now $3,735,928,559, that's more reasonable
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This probably a thick question, but what is a Gnasher? Beyond Dennis the Menace's dog.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:That's something that's always worried me is moving all of the food production abroad means that Much like in the late bronze age, the modern world is held together by absurdly complex but highly fragile trade networks with little redundancy in place. Now ask me how the bronze age ended
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I always wondered how books like the Protocols can get such a wide circulation even in the present day. I read it a while back (on archive.org, so as to not give any money to anyone even tangentially involved in selling that kind of trash) to try and figure that out and I honestly wouldn't encourage anyone else to even bother. It is an antisemitic libel, it's also really really really stupid. From the initial premise of "a Jewish man left this on a train and it was originally in Hebrew (but no you can't see the original) but we bravely translated it and it's got a handful of Yiddish words in it so you can tell it's legit" to 90% of the protocols being poo poo like "we will give the vote to people who aren't wealthy male landowners, thereby destroying Christian Europe" to the writing style pitching about so suddenly that it was obviously plagiarized from several unrelated sources to literally claiming that "Jews invented all science and control all newspapers, so any critical skepticism or written counter-narrative to this poo poo is also Jews." I can see why antisemitic Russian nobility would uncritically accept its contents, because their lifestyle depended on uncritically accepting the contents of poo poo like that, but who in the modern day reads about the seedy plot to separate serfs from their natural masters and thinks that's a bad thing? Fascists do, which explains that one, but who else would find it convincing? Far more interesting are Segel & Levy's takedown A Lie and A Libel and comics legend Will Eisner's The Plot, and the forward to that by Umberto Eco is probably the neatest summary I could find: Umberto Eco posted:This patchwork of largely fictional works makes the Protocols an incoherent text that easily reveals its fabricated origins. It is hardly credible, if not in a roman feuilleton or in a grand opera, that the “bad guys” should express their evil plans in such a frank and unashamed manner, that they should declare, as the Elders of Zion do, that they have “boundless ambition, a ravenous greed, a merciless desire for revenge and an intended hatred.” If at first the Protocols was taken seriously, it is because it was presented as a shocking revelation, and by sources all in all trustworthy. But what seems incredible is how this fake arose from its own ashes each time someone proved that it was, beyond all doubt, a fake. This is when the “novel of the Protocols” truly starts to sound like fiction. Following the article that appeared in 1921 in the Times of London revealing that the Protocols was plagiarized, as well as every other time some authoritative source confirmed the spurious nature of the Protocols, there was someone else who published it again claiming its authenticity. And the story continues unabated on the Internet today. It is as if, after Copernicus, Galileo, and Kepler, one were to continue publishing textbooks claiming that the sun travels around the earth. Now, if only I could figure out what possesses people to uncritically share an obvious photoshop like that 
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Barry Foster posted:Much like in the late bronze age, the modern world is held together by absurdly complex but highly fragile trade networks with little redundancy in place. It's gonna rule when the Information Age collapses back into the late Industrial Age. Suddenly my ham radio hobby doesn't look so useless, does it? 
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Real Cool Catfish posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ImIncorrigible/status/1394419207354429445 Interesting to see what? They're Tories, and post-purge Tories at that. They will vote with the party line over the livelihoods and even the lives of their constituents exactly 100% of the time. And they will not suffer for it, because they know Tory voters will vote for them 100% of the time even as they're being murdered.
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I would suspect that the majority of the circulation is going to be actual nazis, and also conspiracy theorists, who generally are just hellbent on the idea that there is someone orchestrating everything that happens and so even if they don't have weird ideas about the need to restore the monarchy (not the lizard monarchy) then they at the very least are going to be nodding along and going yes YES it's all true I know it was a plot by the secret illuminati throughout ALL OF HISTORY etc etc. And that seems to entirely supercede any coherent political ideas? Like the really key thing is that their understanding of the shape of history is correct, their understanding of how the historical process works (it is not material forces it is all a big conspiracy) and from that validation they then get their politics (which is why their politics are bad because people who think it's all a big satanic conspiracy are also usually raging antisemites and theocrats and all sorts of insane poo poo)
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Guavanaut posted:Far more interesting are Segel & Levy's takedown A Lie and A Libel and comics legend Will Eisner's The Plot, and the forward to that by Umberto Eco is probably the neatest summary I could find: This is just the early 20th century equivalent of "Well even if it didn't happen it's something they would do. Makes u think." response you get on facebook when it's pointed out that people are peddling falsehoods/lies/slander.
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Perhaps Labour Against Antisemitism meant to name themselves Antisemites Against Labour and got confused.
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Trickjaw posted:This probably a thick question, but what is a Gnasher? Beyond Dennis the Menace's dog. Gnashing your teeth means angrily grinding them/biting (so ofc makes sense as a name for an aggressive dog) . I imagine the twitter account is using the word to imply that they're up for a scrap and won't back down, essentially.
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https://twitter.com/LAnthonyFarley/status/1395338439978070016 Completely policy-less political party keeps on truckin'. Nationalising rail, mail and water was one of Starmer's most concrete pledges to win the leadership, so I'm hoping the fact that he's ditched it is thrown in his face constantly.
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Barry Foster posted:Now ask me how the bronze age ended I don't need to ask, they discovered iron and started using that and it was even better. Can't wait to see what cool future tech we invent to fix all our problems!
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Guavanaut posted:They were, and agriculture was a terrible idea, but the Greek idea of a Golden Age was probably more about all those ruins of much cooler buildings post collapse. I thought those ideas - especially the more leisure time ones - had been kinda poo poo'd because the people making those observations just completely forgot about all sorts of things hunter gatherers had to do. Like collecting water, travelling to wherever they're gathering and the obvious missed by most dudes - taking care of children.
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