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Guavanaut posted:This definitely doesn't seem like the work of someone committed to longterm sobriety. Long time since iv'e seen the old FW intro.... now i have to rewatch the vid. 
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I dunno "gently caress you my gun is perfect and if you don't like it you're an idiot" is a fairly common sentiment among early automatic firearm developers. Borchardt also said the same thing about his pistol with half a carriage clock hanging off the back.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:In London at least the opposite problem was more common. Fruit and veg (and anything likely to perish sitting in the week-long traffic jam at Aldgate waiting to be assessed for tax) were expensive luxuries, the average diet was basically dried meat, cheese, and local(ish) seafood like eels and shellfish. Of course when cholera hit town the situation reversed spectacularly. A historian of my acquaintance speculated that a lot of aristocrats died of constipation. Many died after a shortish illness with abdominal pains and bloating, sometimes with 'obstructions', after a lifetime of heavy meat consumption and laudenum. Your lower classes wouldn't have had quite as much opiate-based medical treatment or meat, and at various times probably not enough food of any description to cause fatal constipation. Assuming whatever the cheap bread/milk/sugar was cut with to bulk it out didn't also give them exciting intestinal experiences.
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I dunno what that weird gun video was about, but it led me to an amazing wife carrying race video. Also I could definitely have won their race if I had a small wife to carry.
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OwlFancier posted:I dunno "gently caress you my gun is perfect and if you don't like it you're an idiot" is a fairly common sentiment among early automatic firearm developers. Borchardt also said the same thing about his pistol with half a carriage clock hanging off the back. Stumbled upon a channel on YT channel called C&Rsenal a few years back.. they have covered a huge number of the hand weapons used in World War One; https://www.youtube.com/c/Candrsenal/featured doing development history and use for each one, episode are on average an hour in length. Found all the history and design very interesting. 
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C&Rsenal is another good one yes if you like involved looks at historical firearms.
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Lol Tommy Robinson turned up to the pro-Israel rally yesterday. Great PR boys!
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Comrade Fakename posted:Lol Tommy Robinson turned up to the pro-Israel rally yesterday. Great PR boys! Yeah I saw that lmao.
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Gut problems generally were a surprisingly rare way to die before cholera came over in the 19th century, considering the whole "making GBS threads in your drinking water" thing that Londoners have always been so keen on: This is from 1665, so obviously plague is a pretty spectacular champion (and there's a *proper* pandemic - that's 1% of the population of London dead in a single loving week) but the other causes of death are interesting. Of the ones likely to be caused by intestinal problems I've got: Colic: 1 Flux (bloody diarrhea): 2 Griping in the guts (going both ends): 74 Scowring (watery diarrhea): 13 Surfeit (*probably* food poisoning, but the official diagnosis of the time was that the person had just eaten too much): 87 Vomiting: 7 Wind (what a way to go - history doesn't recall if a naked flame was also involved): 8 Worms: 18 (Stopping of the stomach is malnutrition or other wasting diseases, scurvy and rickets are also of course diet-related but not poo poo-eating related) That's 210 deaths - about 15% of the non-plague total - that were probably gastrointestinal, which like I say is really not bad for a city with quite so much poo poo hanging around. Also because the questions inevitably come up whenever a bill of mortality gets posted: Apoplexie and palsie probably both describe a stroke Childbed is what you think it is Chrisomes is babies that died before christening Consumption is TB Dropsy is swelling and is probably a death through sepsis Impostume is an open sore and probably smallpox or an infected cut Kingsevil is scrofula, a skin infection that could supposedly be cured by the touch of the king, which seems like an idea thought up by a particularly cunning republican doctor Quinsie and Rising of the lights both refer to choking and coughing, so cover a wide range of diseases Spotted Fever and Purples is *probably* typhus "Teeth" as a cause of death is probably infected oral abscesses - a pretty common way to die for people in middle age at the time, especially when skin diseases were also endemic. And no, I don't know how you die of lethargy, sciatica, or "sore legge" unless a cart got loose and you were unable to get out of the way in time.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:
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UnquietDream posted:How do you die of Suddenly? Same cart, but quicker.
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I'm died of suddenly. E: gently caress! E2: I am wondering what tissick and plurisy are. Also faintly curious if died of stone means kidney/gall or a big rock. Also also can... can you die of thrush..? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:48 on May 24, 2021 |
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OwlFancier posted:I'm died of suddenly. Pleurisy is an infection of the lining of the chest which causes diffuse but intense pain across the entire area. Obviously they didn't know the "infection" bit at the time but the symptom was well-known and well-described, Tissick is apparently a dry cough, so probably pneumonia. e: Oops, got my pleurisy and my peritonitis mixed up, put me down for a murther in Stepney.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm died of suddenly. Pleurisy is an old name for pleuritis, an inflammation of the pleura, the wall of tissue between your lungs and chest. As for dying of thrush, you absolutely can if left untreated, because any infection can spread.
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Don't forget you can get thrush in the mouth as well as in the nether regions. Maybe they were babies? Noun rising of the lights (uncountable) (obsolete or historical) An illness or obstructive condition of the larynx, trachea, or lungs, found as a cause of death on bills of mortality in the 16- and 1700s; possibly croup. Surprised at how few murders there seem to have been. I've always had the impression that back, murder was the evening sport.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Don't forget you can get thrush in the mouth as well as in the nether regions. Maybe they were babies? Obviously an extremely small sample size here but that's one in a week in a population of 400,000, which would be 10 times the modern murder rate. Also I'd imagine people were feeling less stabby in a plague year - you'd *really* want someone dead to go do it yourself rather than just playing the numbers. I'll try and find some later, non-plague ones for comparison.
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I think sore legge means sore as a noun. It's probably a leg ulcer that went septic.
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Pleurisy hasn't gone away. A former colleague of mine had it (former because I no longer work there, not because she died). Even once she was well enough to come back to work, she couldn't climb stairs or lift anything. Anything requiring her chest muscles to do more than the bare minimum would cause a flare up. It took weeks for her to recover and at lot of that was spent in pain.
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 Here's one from 1664, and London is a lot duller without the plague. First up - seriously, what the gently caress is going on in Stepney? Also, "overlaid" isn't as fun as it sounds, it's unfortunately a parent rolling over onto a child. Anyway, the non-plague causes of death are more or less in the same proportion as they were during the plague, except the catch-all "fever" and "convulsion" categories are also well down, suggesting that the plague was being under-reported. And I'm intrigued by "mouldfallen".
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Headmouldshot and Mouldfallen: Disease or injury affecting the sutures or bones of the skull; a condition in which the skull is compressed in the pelvic canal during delivery, causing the cranial bones to ride over each other. source: https://beforenewton.blog/2014/11/07/a-bill-of-mortality-and-a-peck-of-snails/
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goddamnedtwisto posted:And I'm intrigued by "mouldfallen". Headmouldshot and Mouldfallen: Disease or injury affecting the sutures or bones of the skull; a condition in which the skull is compressed in the pelvic canal during delivery, causing the cranial bones to ride over each other. E: beaten again
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https://www.bmj.com/content/2/3431/646 Interesting. Comments on how many of these deaths are infant deaths and how high infant mortality was.
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There's a funny misconception that comes up occasionally in mediaeval fiction. Life expectancy of an 1100s man is somewhere in their 30s. Writers sometimes take that to mean people are going to die in their 30s. Nope: levels of infant mortality are so high that it's skewing the statistical mean. Once a man is past his 10th birthday, he's more likely to reach his 60s than not. Women have to get through another hurdle first: having some babies without dying.
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nobody dies from oral thrush, you die when the fungal infection finds somewhere to lodge internally and a way past your immune responses. You generally also need to be seriously ill beforehand, but in a century without antifungal drugs you can probably skip that bit and get there straight from dental abscess.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:
Apart from the guy who got fatally scalded when he fell into a mash tun. If only he'd known the fermentation process begins after the mashing; he might have lived to die of plague the next year.
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And the sad thing is, all these diseases will be making a comeback in the next decade as the tory rot sets right in. I was just reading an article about inability of many people to get dental treatment at the moment unless they are sufficiently wealthy to afford private dentists. Apparently I'm approx 3 months away from rising to the top of the waiting list for the one and only NHS dentist around here accepting patients (despite the Welsh health authorities saying you don't have to be registered just call and make an appointment. Ha.) I've something that needs treating - I had a minor operation about 10 years ago and it's needing a bit of a redo - but I just haven't got the £00s it would cost to go private, so I'm hoping it will be ok for 3 months! Just wish I'd got everything fixed when I lived in Egypt (bazillions of good dentists over there).
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Spangly A posted:nobody dies from oral thrush, you die when the fungal infection finds somewhere to lodge internally and a way past your immune responses. You generally also need to be seriously ill beforehand, but in a century without antifungal drugs you can probably skip that bit and get there straight from dental abscess. Don't forget nobody's doing autopsies here, it's just what the relatives say they died of, and the cause given is mostly just a symptom. Thrush means white spots in the throat and a bad smell, so could be anything from a simple yeast infection through tonsillitis (which can definitely kill in an era where people treat cuts with dung) to throat cancer.
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https://twitter.com/agirlcalledlina/status/1396615820189573126
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The ultimate cuckolding is almost complete: https://twitter.com/mrharrycole/status/1396576077334650882
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Sounds to me like she knows what she wants and has a plan to accomplish it.
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Hurray! Now Boris can take in 10x of monetary gifts and call it a wedding present!
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Custard binbag honeymoon
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I wonder if Johnson has already started planning the biography he'll write to pay for the divorce to Carrie. Given it's a significant part of the reason he keeps getting divorced, maybe he'll write a biography of his penis. "Custard Binbag & Johnson's Johnson".
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Jel Shaker posted:broken sword = impotence surely? Oh yeah, that fits the theme pretty good.
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PNGYAKUZA posted:https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1396214307227045890 Unless some dramatic new evidence has shown up in the last 14 years, it's going to be hard to beat Bill Bryson's biography of Shakespeare from 2007. (In typical dry Bryson fashion it's a fairly slim book that goes "We honestly don't know a whole lot, but here's pretty much all the evidence about his life that we have. And funnily enough the thing we can be most confident of is that yes, he wrote the things") Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 08:09 on May 24, 2021 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Don't forget nobody's doing autopsies here, it's just what the relatives say they died of, and the cause given is mostly just a symptom. Thrush means white spots in the throat and a bad smell, so could be anything from a simple yeast infection through tonsillitis (which can definitely kill in an era where people treat cuts with dung) to throat cancer. Also people who develop thrush and go on to die "from it" probably have some sort of more serious underlying issue. HIV wasn't a thing yet but there are other fun ways to have a terminal case of thrush. From upthread - dropsy is swelling/oedema and if it's killing then it's more likely heart or kidney failure. Death of leg pain/sciatica is probably a misdiagnosis. Acutely ischaemic leg is pretty drat painful and fatal without amputation, anticoagulation or stenting. Also diabetic ulcers, cellulitis, DVT, septic arthritis etc.
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happyhippy posted:Hurray! Now Boris can take in 10x of monetary gifts and call it a wedding present! This is actually a really good point. Do MPs have to declare wedding gifts? I've had a quick Google, and can't find anything about wedding gifts specifically, but I'd assume they'd be covered under more general rules (not that the rules matter anyway of course).
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