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theironjef posted:So ferasan are supposed to be free today? I wouldn't mine an ugly cat captain. Has it gone live yet? Yes
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Cyrano4747 posted:Holy gently caress lockbox keys got expensive. Admittedly it's been a minute since I looked at them. There's been a lot of discussion among the players about potential reasons for this. I personally think a lot of things have worked together to do it. I've heard rumors that fewer whales are opening up thousands of lockboxes each time, which would lower the supply of lockbox items for people to buy. And the continued addition of items to the infinity choice packs (which can't be traded/sold without opening them and choosing an item) acts to lower the supply of each individual choice in those packs. But I think the biggest problem is a fundamental mismatch between ec creation and destruction. A lot of ec gets created in this game. Doing daily endeavors will often give you half a million ec, which the game creates from nothing. Running a patrol and vendoring the drops can give you hundreds of thousands of ec for barely any work. And admiralty will easily give you 150k ec per character per day completely passively. And there's nothing in the game that really destroys ec anywhere near as fast as it's created. Trading on the exchange doesn't destroy ec, it merely moves it from one player to another. Fleet and rep projects do destroy ec, but nowhere near enough. Taxes would help, but would be extremely unpopular with the playerbase. I don't know what the solution is, but until cryptic changes something, I don't recommend storing most of your wealth as ec.
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May 24, 2021 18:53
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Both the EC and Dil economies are hosed and are probably the greatest barrier to long term game health.
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g0del posted:They actually got over 11m for a brief while a few months ago. This isn't a brief bubble, just about everything has been inflated in the last year or two. Keys are 9-10m, promo boxes are close to 30m, popular lobi ships are 350m, popular lockbox ships are 950m, and promo ships are largely priced off the exchange, which has a 1.5b limit. Destroying in-game currency is a very solved problem in MMOs. The answer is to put in currency sinks. Even something as minor as equipment repair costs that are utterly trivial by the time you're level capped are a steady drain that leaches it out of the system. Off the top of my head: - Gear and ship degradation, repairable via EC. It wouldn't need to be extreme, think every 10 times you blow up you need to hit the "repair all" button. gently caress, they could even make it a 1 second duration doff mission so that you never even need to return to port. Doesn't need to be much, just enough to bleed the system a little. Say, roughly 1k ec per time your ship explodes? - sell some actually worthwhile poo poo for EC, maybe as an alternate. Easiest thing would be a vendor that does direct exchanges of EC for one of the billion other currencies in the game. Maybe reputation marks, maybe the special items that you need for some of the rep item purchases. Crap could be super expensive too. - sell visual transmogs for equipment for EC. gently caress, do the same for the ships. Allow players to unlock ship skins for EC, but make it a one time thing and make it expensive. Want the cool looking engines from that T6 variant of that ship that you don't own? Cough up 10m EC, and it's single use only. - doff missions that require a substantial chunk of EC (say, 1m) but are basically a glorified loot box. Say, 50% chance to get nothing, 25% chance to get 2m EC, 10% chance to get a few thousand refined dill, 5% chance to get a chunk of zen, .9% chance to get a T6 token, .1% chance to get a T6 infinity box unlock. gently caress, that last option alone would probably put a dent in the EC given the player base.
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May 24, 2021 19:36
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Cyrano4747 posted:Destroying in-game currency is a very solved problem in MMOs. The answer is to put in currency sinks. Even something as minor as equipment repair costs that are utterly trivial by the time you're level capped are a steady drain that leaches it out of the system. The dil economy is another problem, and one that they can't really fix without killing the dil farms. And I'm not sure how they do that. An account-wide refine limit might help, but that will probably just see the farmers creating alt accounts to get around it. I guess they could kill all dil rewards in admiralty and contraband turnins, but good luck doing that without players revolting.
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May 24, 2021 20:51
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Competitive ecburning fleet dickwaving projects with cosmetic prizes. Could have run it as a war resources thing
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May 24, 2021 21:10
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Tunicate posted:Competitive ecburning fleet dickwaving projects with cosmetic prizes. Some kind of account cap on dil, allow you to use EC in place of dil for rep stuff/other projects at an exorbitant markup. Or even better. Buy lobi with EC/Dil.
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May 24, 2021 21:21
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Eimi posted:Some kind of account cap on dil, allow you to use EC in place of dil for rep stuff/other projects at an exorbitant markup. Get extra time on an event by paying EC to reduce the number of hours until it refreshes. Make the cost increase exponentially
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May 24, 2021 21:26
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Most MMOs also have an endgame with gear to chase but STO dev time can't be spared from critical lootbox development.
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May 24, 2021 21:34
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https://massivelyop.com/2021/05/24/star-trek-online-staff-members-explain-why-ships-and-boxes-get-released-faster-than-missions/ Any news is good news?
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May 24, 2021 21:54
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On the one hand, they said they fixed my account in STO. On the other hand, STO is now crashing every time I try to log in. Anyone else having issues?
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May 24, 2021 22:06
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They used to have excellent dil sinks called 'fleets' that got dil/zen down to like 75, back when supply of dil was probably much higher because of the foundry.
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Edit: Nevermind, I'm up and running again!
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May 24, 2021 22:17
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Cythereal posted:Edit: Nevermind, I'm up and running again! Congratudolences
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May 24, 2021 23:28
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Cyrano4747 posted:Congratudolences If nothing else, I want to finish the LP. No promises beyond that. 
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May 24, 2021 23:39
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hakimashou posted:They used to have excellent dil sinks called 'fleets' that got dil/zen down to like 75, back when supply of dil was probably much higher because of the foundry. Eimi posted:Or even better. Buy lobi with EC/Dil.
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May 25, 2021 00:09
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Anyone have any idea what this is about? https://twitter.com/ForumSto/status/1396902444253294598 It's a whole thread, and reads like the mental illness that used to be so prevalent in the game, but I have no idea what they're actually complaining about.
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May 25, 2021 02:12
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I had to go look real quick to see if somehow they meant Catherine Hicks/Gillian Taylor had died, not that at least.
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May 25, 2021 02:17
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Hicks is legitimately the most mentally unwell person I have ever interacted with in STO. No idea what that's about but unless he's actually dead it's presumably another attempt to get attention.
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May 25, 2021 07:14
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g0del posted:I honestly believe that the colony is part of the current dil problem. The colony dil costs were extreme, and some players made dil farms just to handle it. And now the colony is finished but the dil farms still exist. I dont think enough people bothered doing the colony. The original fleet implementation had a lot of important stuff gated behind it. If X upgrade ships had been gated behind a big new fleet grind instead of just a $$$shop thing, and they figured out some way to fight NOPPS space communism, they might be able to wrangle dil back to how it was in the good old days. NOPPS played a big role in making fleet progress optional, and fleet progress being optional meant less demand for dil. Another consideration is that they made it so the casino stuff covered the fleet dil costs, those lockbox gamble prize vouchers can be insta-converted into fleet dil. At some point their business shifted from "people will pay us money to get dil" to "people will pay us money to gamble and buy stuff in the store." Since the game isn't designed for dil to be in high demand anymore, its 500 dil/zen or whatever and its not a very free to play game anymore.
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May 25, 2021 07:16
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FuturePastNow posted:Hicks is legitimately the most mentally unwell person I have ever interacted with in STO. No idea what that's about but unless he's actually dead it's presumably another attempt to get attention. Did you miss out on xean? I think that other lunatic was crazier too, e: he's still in the OP, Binkley
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Xean was mostly a simple sad case (and funny to laugh at). There were others who were far worse. It's been nearly a deacde since we used to regularly fumigate Old Drozana so I can't remember names anymore. Suffice to say a lot of the  stuff used to happen in there for reals, including actual grooming. In local chat. Yeah I know that sounds too dumb to be true.There is a good reason dental was hated by the "community" - it was started by the sex freaks upset their playground / hunting ground was invaded by goons. Initially we did it for laughs, then we realised the actual sickness we came across. I don't have any logs / screenshots from those years saved anymore but others might.
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May 25, 2021 11:13
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g0del posted:Anyone have any idea what this is about? That's 100% Hick's posting style, so he's not actually 'dead'. It mentions he has now been banned - permabanned this time I assume, as he's been banned before on multiple occasions. Despite his posts he never actually 'helped' anyone, he just spent time screaming into the void in the old STF channels (as they were only 'big' unmoderated channels left). He held conversations with himself using his multiple sockpuppet accounts, always talking in the third persion, and spent most of his time incoherently raging against certain players/communities for unspecified hacking/cheating/elitism/stealing dilithium from him/mindcontrol rays. He claims to have invented Mudds Store and Random TFOs, which Cryptic stole from him, and makes all sorts of claims about being singlehandedly responsible for saving the game and helping thousands of players, whilst his enemies in the DPS community plot against him. It is absolutely not an act - and whilst it was fun watching him at the start, the longer you watched the more and more genuinely uncomfortable it became. He is deeply unwell and has extreme paranoia issues. If Cryptic gave even the slightest poo poo about basic safeguarding responsibilities he would have been banned years ago, for his own good. As for Xean, funnily enough he seems a changed man. Came across as genuinely chill and laughed off all the old stuff.
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I'm just glad all my embarassing stuff when young was pre-internet. Those who grew up in the information age who manage to grow out of stuff and survive as a person, well done.
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May 25, 2021 12:46
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Tigey posted:As for Xean, funnily enough he seems a changed man. Came across as genuinely chill and laughed off all the old stuff.
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May 25, 2021 18:04
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Eimi posted:Both the EC and Dil economies are hosed and are probably the greatest barrier to long term game health. Speaking as someone who has just picked the game up again after a long absence and has less than a million EC to his name, I don't even see how I would accumulate enough EC to purchase a couple of insanely useful Science Bridge Officer abilities (Subspace Vortex and Delayed Overload Cascade), let alone a ship that would let me try out Temporal Operative. Other random thoughts since my last post about trying to make progress in the episodes: This generic science torpedo build seems to be working well for me. I still haven't quite figured out the right playstyle for it yet - I seem to have the most success trying to stay out to about 9.5K, unload an alpha strike with everything, then turn and run until Photonic Officer refreshes all my abilities and I can make another pass. Things don't exactly melt, but it's vastly preferable than closing to under 5K where I can't keep the enemy in my forward arc consistently. I need to run a lot of missions repeatedly and craft a lot of poo poo, but I am interspersing the grind with advancing the overall story arcs so it's remaining fairly palatable. I admin I enjoy the tiny dopamine hits from the Duty Officer system, but trying to hunt down the next assignment for the chains can be very frustrating. So there are some assignments which are location-specific, but not shown in the Current Map tab but rather under a particular division head? And the STO wiki is out-of-day on where these assignments can be found since the map was rewritten sometime after Iconian War? I'm slowly getting the hang of it, but it's certainly not user friendly. The Admiralty system is just Duty Officers but for people that own a crapload of ships, as far as I can tell. There's no real way to get ship cards other than buying ships, correct? I really don't think I would be bothering if there were any good spaceship RPGs on the market, but here we are. Somehow this remains better than Eve Online in terms of having non-terrible PvE content, but holy poo poo the amount of grinding I foresee to get anything in the "endgame" is absurd. It's fun, but not fun enough to devote actual dollars to compared to almost anything else I could be spending my money on.
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kaynorr posted:There's no real way to get ship cards other than buying ships, correct? Head out to the Narendra system in the Beta Quadrant. There's an NPC there named the USS Sally Ride you can talk to for a free (and VERY good) admiralty card. Also, do the mission Time and Tide and get the admiralty reward. It unlocks the USS Pastak card.
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If you have spare dilithium, Phoenix packs have ships as a blue reward, and they're pretty useful to have.
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May 25, 2021 18:15
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kaynorr posted:Speaking as someone who has just picked the game up again after a long absence and has less than a million EC to his name, I don't even see how I would accumulate enough EC to purchase a couple of insanely useful Science Bridge Officer abilities (Subspace Vortex and Delayed Overload Cascade), let alone a ship that would let me try out Temporal Operative.  Eimi posted:If you have spare dilithium, Phoenix packs have ships as a blue reward, and they're pretty useful to have.
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Eimi posted:If you have spare dilithium, Phoenix packs have ships as a blue reward, and they're pretty useful to have. Is there such a thing as spare dilithium? I've gotten the impression that much like energy credits, there is effectively always something I need to be saving up for.
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May 25, 2021 18:43
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Damnit, I didn't even confuse post with edit yet here we are.
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May 25, 2021 18:43
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Don't forget to grab today's freebie, it's the big one, the T6X upgrade token.
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kaynorr posted:Speaking as someone who has just picked the game up again after a long absence and has less than a million EC to his name, I don't even see how I would accumulate enough EC to purchase a couple of insanely useful Science Bridge Officer abilities (Subspace Vortex and Delayed Overload Cascade), let alone a ship that would let me try out Temporal Operative. If you grind your reputations up to T6, you can get Fleet Ship Modules, which you can use to buy 'Fleet' T6 ships, some of which include temporal operative seating.
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kaynorr posted:Is there such a thing as spare dilithium? I've gotten the impression that much like energy credits, there is effectively always something I need to be saving up for. Not while gearing up sadly, but you get there eventually. Hunter Noventa posted:If you grind your reputations up to T6, you can get Fleet Ship Modules, which you can use to buy 'Fleet' T6 ships, some of which include temporal operative seating. Specifically the Lukari Dranuur Scout Ship, which is a very very potent science ship with near universal seating. Also if you by the N'kaam ship on the AH that's like a couple mil, it has a cool UFO look.
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May 25, 2021 20:51
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https://na.alienwarearena.com/ucf/show/2153318/boards/contest-and-giveaways-global/Giveaway/star-trek-online-alliance-reborn-matha-bundle Free T6 ship and some inventory slots here. Useful for the newer players who don't already have all the ships they need.
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May 25, 2021 20:59
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https://na.alienwarearena.com/ucf/show/2153318/boards/contest-and-giveaways-global/Giveaway/star-trek-online-alliance-reborn-matha-bundle Alienwear giveaway
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May 25, 2021 20:59
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Good shout, thanks guys. Shame it needs the ARC client to redeem, but a nice bonus all the same.
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May 25, 2021 21:14
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Iymarra posted:Good shout, thanks guys. Shame it needs the ARC client to redeem, but a nice bonus all the same. I use the steam launcher which I think is just cryptics but going to https://www.arcgames.com/en/redeem lets you enter codes.
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Eimi posted:I use the steam launcher which I think is just cryptics but going to https://www.arcgames.com/en/redeem lets you enter codes. Confirmed I use the steam launcher and this worked. 
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