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Move Along Home is kind of dumb but it’s fun. far from the worst episode even in season 1 I like Battle Lines too, not sure why people are dunking on that one.
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If Wishes Were Horses is easily the worst season one episode. God that’s bad.
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May 25, 2021 14:35
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I'll fight for my stance that Move Along Home is actually a great episode. While obviously the show pulled deeper, more engaging storylines in, it fits the original bill of "whoa a wormhole opened out here and aliens that are crazy even by our galactic-civilization standards are coming through and we have to do Diplomacy with them" concept, and the episode is pretty good at establishing a lot of character traits that persist throughout, like Quark having a tiny nugget of conscience, Bashir being a total goon who still manages to come up with solutions, Kira's heavily repressed sense of humor/fun, etc. I get the argument but... *sigh* There are just too many inherent flaws in the setup for it to really shine, even as a corny/so-bad-it's-good episode, I think. The diplomacy with wormhole aliens angle is neat, but the whole conceit of them trapping the main characters in some technobabble never escapes feeling really forced. It undeniably would've worked better as a standard "beam down to their planet to see what's going on" Trek episode, but DS9 (rightly) wanted to avoid rehashing that. So we got this instead, but it never really made any sense dramatically. It forces in this distracting element of "we have to figure out what's really going on" which is never a good thing when the answer is "I dunno, space magic?" Without that we could've focused more squarely on "how will the characters escape the game" which is a better story, if still very silly.
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May 25, 2021 14:37
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“It’s only a game  ” gets quoted regularly in my friend circle.
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May 25, 2021 14:39
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HD DAD posted:If Wishes Were Horses is easily the worst season one episode. God that’s bad.
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May 25, 2021 14:52
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How can you disrespect Buck Bokai like that
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May 25, 2021 15:18
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Sir Lemming posted:It forces in this distracting element of "we have to figure out what's really going on" which is never a good thing when the answer is "I dunno, space magic?" This is my least favorite plot device, although there are some episodes (Things Past) that manage to pull it off Distant Voices was probs the worst of these, Bashir figured it out halfway through and the episode kept crawling along anyway
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May 25, 2021 15:22
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HD DAD posted:“It’s only a game Yeah the whole episode's premise is that the guy Quark is gambling with is an rear end in a top hat.
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May 25, 2021 15:23
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John Wick of Dogs posted:How can you disrespect Buck Bokai like that We stan a London King
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May 25, 2021 15:33
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Marx Headroom posted:Distant Voices was probs the worst of these, Bashir figured it out halfway through and the episode kept crawling along anyway Oh gosh yeah, that's a rough one. There's really nothing at all going on in the second half other than Siddig trying to get an Emmy for being in old man makeup.
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May 25, 2021 15:50
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Sir Lemming posted:I get the argument but... *sigh* I agree that the technobabble is a little forced, but I think it serves the character development well, and that issue crops up in a lot of TNG/DS9 episodes, so I don't fault this one specifically for it. I don't think the characters needing to figure out what's going on distracts from the episode; in fact I think it helps define the characters pretty early in the series in the way they react to the situation. It's a pretty standard trope of "develop these characters by putting them in a totally unfamiliar situation and seeing how they deal with it" I agree that overall, the whole "what crazy new alien culture will we have to deal with now?" idea is a little lame when the answer is "they'll transport us into a game where none of us is in any real danger," but I think as far as first-season episodes go, it's one of the better ones across both TNG S1 and DS9 S1.
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May 25, 2021 15:56
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I'll fight for my stance that Move Along Home is actually a great episode. While obviously the show pulled deeper, more engaging storylines in, it fits the original bill of "whoa a wormhole opened out here and aliens that are crazy even by our galactic-civilization standards are coming through and we have to do Diplomacy with them" concept, and the episode is pretty good at establishing a lot of character traits that persist throughout, like Quark having a tiny nugget of conscience, Bashir being a total goon who still manages to come up with solutions, Kira's heavily repressed sense of humor/fun, etc. This guy gets it and if you don't I question if the Start Trucks are really for you
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May 25, 2021 16:54
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I still like Move Along Home, but I really liked it as a 5 year old when it first aired because that was the first DS9 episode that didn’t put me to sleep while I watched with my mom.
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May 25, 2021 17:01
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Move Along Home isn't as bad as I remember, but I hate any alien race that's just a human with face paint. See also: the red faced guys from Rules of Acquisition.
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May 25, 2021 17:02
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Move Along Home isn't peak DS9 but it's a fine episode. I really don't get why some fans hate that episode so much.
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May 25, 2021 17:07
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I hope it's clear that I don't hate it. I just don't think it succeeds at much other than being meme-worthy.
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May 25, 2021 17:15
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Move Along Home, The Royale, and The Thaw are all in the same vein and they’re all good.
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May 25, 2021 17:15
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Rewatched Take Me Out to the Holosuite last night. Everything Worf says in relation to baseball rules.
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May 25, 2021 17:22
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Sir Lemming posted:I hope it's clear that I don't hate it. I just don't think it succeeds at much other than being meme-worthy. No, I was speaking generally. It is true that a lot of S1 episodes, like If Wishes Were Horses, feel like warmed over TNG scripts.
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May 25, 2021 17:28
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Sir Lemming posted:I hope it's clear that I don't hate it. I just don't think it succeeds at much other than being meme-worthy. I think it's just that it has some goofy lines that are easy to repeat, and that it features some character-development moments that look really funny out of context (the group skipping and singing Allamaraine, Bashir randomly backed up against a wall screaming)
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May 25, 2021 17:35
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Move Along Home isn't peak DS9 but it's a fine episode. I really don't get why some fans hate that episode so much. I think it's mostly the silliness quotient that really puts some people off, most notably in the hopscotch scene -- it's vicariously embarrassing. And there's also the ending, which reveals that there was never any danger at all, and despite everything that happened to the characters,  . It's a type of twist ending, but one that's really hard to make into a satisfying conclusion.Back in TOS, Shore Leave had the same problems -- a bunch of silliness that some find cringeworthy, all of which is revealed to be just fun and games, no peril at all. Shore Leave doesn't turn up on many people's favorite-episode lists.
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May 25, 2021 17:38
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HD DAD posted:Move Along Home, The Royale, and The Thaw are all in the same vein and they’re all good. The Thaw stands out from that crowd, however. Largely but not entirely on the strength of its guest star.
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May 25, 2021 17:39
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Lemniscate Blue posted:The Thaw stands out from that crowd, however. Largely but not entirely on the strength of its guest star. Also because Janeway makes the avatar of fear afraid of her and that's just peak Janeway. "I know."
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May 25, 2021 18:11
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Move Along Home isn't peak DS9 but it's a fine episode. I really don't get why some fans hate that episode so much. I think people's opinions on it are based on how much they enjoy TOS. Powered Descent posted:I think it's mostly the silliness quotient that really puts some people off, most notably in the hopscotch scene -- it's vicariously embarrassing. And there's also the ending, which reveals that there was never any danger at all, and despite everything that happened to the characters, Also this, it's silly but pretends there are stakes but then there aren't any and thus ends with a fart. It's good Quark characterization, though.
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May 25, 2021 18:16
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May 25, 2021 18:18
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Honestly if you really just get bored of season 1 you can pretty much just watch any episode about Kira or Odo and skip the rest
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May 25, 2021 18:29
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Powered Descent posted:I think it's mostly the silliness quotient that really puts some people off, most notably in the hopscotch scene -- it's vicariously embarrassing. And there's also the ending, which reveals that there was never any danger at all, and despite everything that happened to the characters, The thing is, if this was a later-season episode I'd agree 100%, but in this case since it's so early on, "we all learned some important lessons about each other," as cliched as that may be, applies to an extent here.
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May 25, 2021 18:33
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The funniest thing to me about DS9 season 1 is how they appear to be setting up long-term Dragon Ball plotlines with the orbs. Felt like the writers were hedging their bets in case they ran out of ideas, but then the show matures pretty quickly and the orbs just become occasionally-mentioned plot devices.
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May 25, 2021 19:10
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If you're not liking an episode, skip to the next one. Radical freedom. It's 176 episodes, they're not all going to be winners.
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May 25, 2021 19:47
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If you start skipping episodes you'll inevitably miss rich b-plot lore. Like the main plot to The Muse is very stupid, but the b-plot is Odo getting married to Lwaxana Troi, sometimes you just got to take the good with the bad
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May 25, 2021 19:53
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That makes me want to think of other generally bad episodes that have amazing B-stories. Probably Meridian.
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May 25, 2021 19:56
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Minidust posted:The funniest thing to me about DS9 season 1 is how they appear to be setting up long-term Dragon Ball plotlines with the orbs. Felt like the writers were hedging their bets in case they ran out of ideas, but then the show matures pretty quickly and the orbs just become occasionally-mentioned plot devices. Next Episode: Dukat Defeated! EDIT: alternatively, collect the 7 Bajoran Orbs and summon the Great Bird of the Galaxy.
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May 25, 2021 19:59
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Next time on Deep Space Nine: The Dominion Routed!? Rom's Counterattack!!
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May 25, 2021 20:12
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“Bajoran Mystery! Jake and Kira’s Battle to the Death!?”
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May 25, 2021 20:24
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Workers Of The World Unite!! A Union On The Station?!
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May 25, 2021 20:27
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Warp Factor 10?! The Birth of Perfect Tom!!
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May 25, 2021 20:31
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"Garak's Betrayal!? The Mystery of Empok Nor!"
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May 25, 2021 20:53
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These all sound great tbh
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May 25, 2021 21:19
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Star Trek is truly the Biggest Animemultijoe posted:Warp Factor 10?! The Birth of Perfect Tom!! This one is the best, though.
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TOS episode names are actually like that in Japanese and they're awesome. Including: Mystery on Planet Pyrus Seven Energy from Underground 160km Revenge! Gas Monster Planet-type Spaceship Hoving in Space Vampire Monster on Planet M113
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