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https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1397651863454064647?s=19 Did they just come up with this operation on the fly, what the gently caress.
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Not So Fast posted:Did they just come up with this operation on the fly, what the gently caress. Yes. Is this unprecedented in IR? Anyone know of a case of a country arresting someone on a fly over?
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Vasukhani posted:Yes. There was the attempt at it with Evo Morales plane being rerouted because Edward Snowden was suspected to be on board, but that was done by the USA so its fine and dandy. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/03/edward-snowden-bolivia-plane-vienna
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Those situations are nothing alike.
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Not So Fast posted:There was the attempt at it with Evo Morales plane being rerouted because Edward Snowden was suspected to be on board, but that was done by the USA so its fine and dandy. US allies closed their airspace to Morales plane, which had the effect of rerouting it but is completely within the bounds of international gently caress gently caress games. Hell when I was flying to Manas on a US government plane Russia played gently caress gently caress games with us and opened and closed their airspace like 4 times, one of the times forcing us to divert to Georgia. It actually illustrates just how insane this is that the US went through that whole dog and pony show because even they wouldn't dare pulling what Belarus pulled here. It's not a remotely valid comparison.
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Well, I'm gonna be honest here. If Batka had called me up at 4 am in the morning and told me that I have 20 min to fake an islamist threat email to the Minsk airport I probably wouldn't have done much better either. Setting up that proton mail account probably already took 5 min(gotta install windows updates first). Ffs, making the coffee is already 2 minutes minimum
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Not So Fast posted:There was the attempt at it with Evo Morales plane being rerouted because Edward Snowden was suspected to be on board, but that was done by the USA so its fine and dandy. The US didn't report a fake bomb threat what the gently caress. Your comparison is terrible. e: perhaps more importantly - the US didn't arrest/kidnap anybody from Evo's party nor did they beat them and force them to do a hostage video to air on TV. Evo had to make some detours because of dumb international politics but christ they all got home safely and soundly and the only thing hurt was their itinerary. Not a valid comparison in any way, shape, or form. How are u fucked around with this message at 00:45 on May 27, 2021 |
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May 27, 2021 00:39
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Love to use my extremely secure protonmail account with my full name and year of birth to send a bomb threat.
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How are u posted:The US didn't report a fake bomb threat what the gently caress. Your comparison is terrible. US/EU block has enough power they can force a plane to land without faking bomb threats, yes. and the only reason nobody got disappeared that day was because snowden wasn't on board. result would apparently be the same thing if US intelligence wasn't incompetent lmfao
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Truga posted:US/EU block has enough power they can force a plane to land without faking bomb threats, yes. The power they exercised was simply denying access to their airspace, which is within their rights. Do you not understand the difference between not allowing a government plane overflight of your territory and hijacking a civilian airliner at gunpoint and forcing them into your territory?
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May 27, 2021 01:19
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one's at gunpoint, the other was at "well you can keep flying and crash into sea when you run out of fuel so you better land now" end result wouldn't be any different if their guy wasn't on that plane either.
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May 27, 2021 01:27
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Truga posted:one's at gunpoint, the other was at "well you can keep flying and crash into sea when you run out of fuel so you better land now" I'm not sure to start with this absurd trash. Yes Morales was forced down by the threat of crashing into the sea in the *checks notes* land locked country of Austria. I too think kidnapping you is the same as not letting you in my house.
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Jarmak posted:I'm not sure to start with this absurd trash. I mean I think they sorta have a point. If you bascially lock a country out of airspace you can force it to land, no fighter jet needed. But I was asking about literally arresting someone in an overflight.
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It's a legal distinction, but from an international law perspective a very important one. A country has an absolute right to keep something out of its airspace. It does not have the right to force something into its jurisdiction.
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Jarmak posted:I'm not sure to start with this absurd trash. the reason morales had to land was because after he had to turn around and fly around all the countries that closed their airspace to his plane, he could have ran out of fuel somewhere over the atlantic, so he was forced to land to refuel. the countries that abruptly closed their airspace to the plane knew this because any imporant international flight plan is submitted to relevant authorities the method is more polite, sure, but the result is very much the same. so yeah, forcing down a plane so you get a chance to search it for dissidents is very much not unprecedented, it's happened in the EU of all places, only a few years ago
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https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1397785157436940290 is this the D&D karabakh thread?
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Vasukhani posted:https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/1397785157436940290
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OddObserver posted:No need to limit to Eastern. Heard of the AFD? LePen? Yeah, I was trying not to whatabout, but lmao @ the horror of eastern european skinheads from citizens of a country that elected Donald loving Trump and his administration of white nationalists Belarus had a few deaths in the last couple of days, one was a suicide by a 17 year old persecuted for "riots" https://mobile.twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1397536358013538308 Another one was a 50 year old political prisoner, the official report says "death by falling due to an accident", tweets from people at the funeral say he was beaten and his eyes gouged out https://mobile.twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1397680033976786944 Still not clear from reports whether these guys were angels or if they are fascists deserving of death, will update if tankies find something incriminating
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Truga posted:the reason morales had to land was because after he had to turn around and fly around all the countries that closed their airspace to his plane, he could have ran out of fuel somewhere over the atlantic, so he was forced to land to refuel. the countries that abruptly closed their airspace to the plane knew this because any imporant international flight plan is submitted to relevant authorities No this is dumb as gently caress, a plane having to eventually land because it has a finite quantity of fuel is not the same as forcing it down with a Mig29. Open a map of Europe and cross out Italy, France, and Spain. Great now you're free to land wherever you want, it didn't even go to a country adjacent to any of the counties with closed airspace, and had enough fuel for a trans Atlantic flight. The plane wasn't "forced down" at all. Now open a map and circle Belarus. If you don't land there right now you get shot in the face. That's forced down. Snowden being an actual criminal and not just political opposition, such that other countries are willing to arrest him, does not make the situation the same.
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Also let's be very clear, Morales had enough fuel to go around, but had a malfunctioning fuel gauge so they landed to get it checked. He landed in Austria because Snowden wasn't on board and there was no reason not to, he could have easily landed in Russia instead.
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glad to hear it's ok to force planes that could be carrying dissidents to land as long as it's not done by a mig
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Truga posted:glad to hear it's ok to force planes that could be carrying dissidents to land as long as it's not done by a mig Closing airspace to planes is not "forcing them to land", he landed due to unrelated technical issues lol Europe is forcing all Belavia planes to land right now by closing their airspace  Is there no limit to the evil of the fascist coalition
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Among the places that Belavia still flys to and where you might theoretically want to go remains: Russia Georgia Dubai And I have a feeling Georgia might restrict flying too, just to be part of the gang. In other news Russian PM Mishustin is visiting today and tomorrow while Lukashenko is going to Sochi tomorrow. Mishustin is technically here to talk to our PM but still kind of intensive-ish schedule. Sekenr fucked around with this message at 13:01 on May 27, 2021 |
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Somaen posted:Europe is forcing all Belavia planes to land right now by closing their airspace i mean, it is an incredibly dumb measure. if you're stuck in belarus you have to fly to moscow first now, all this does is give more money to russian oligarchs lmfao
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Truga posted:i mean, it is an incredibly dumb measure. if you're stuck in belarus you have to fly to moscow first now, all this does is give more money to russian oligarchs lmfao Commendable grasp of the cause, effect and intended economic consequences, I see I am dealing with a very smart politics-understanding boy here
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May 27, 2021 13:02
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Protonmail confirmed the email to the Minsk airport was sent after the Ryanair flight got diverted. How incompetent can you get, Jesus Christ...
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Paladinus posted:Protonmail confirmed the email to the Minsk airport was sent after the Ryanair flight got diverted. How incompetent can you get, Jesus Christ... Where did they confirm that? Would be pretty hosed up if an email service that sells itself on it's security and privacy confirmed anything about any email on it's system.
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Paladinus posted:Protonmail confirmed the email to the Minsk airport was sent after the Ryanair flight got diverted. How incompetent can you get, Jesus Christ... Well, let's not jump to conclusions here. We still haven't ruled out some kind of time travel situation. There is definitely nothing the evil neo-nazi west wouldn't do to harm the glorious and most peaceful socialist paradise of Belarus(that wouldn't ever hurt a fly)
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sinky posted:Where did they confirm that? Would be pretty hosed up if an email service that sells itself on it's security and privacy confirmed anything about any email on it's system. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...r-idUSKCN2D81HN
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Haha apparently Russia is now banning flights that are diverting around Belarus. Totally normal thing to do, but since pretty much everyone would benefit from not going to Russia, it might be for the best. E: yeah might be nothing vvvv mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 16:03 on May 27, 2021 |
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Kinda hard to confirm this right now - there was an AF Paris-Moscow flight that was denided because Russia needed to issue a new clearance. Everything that’s up right now are Air China flights that route more northerly. BA/AF/KLM flights to China and Japan that route over Belarus are due in the evening. Having said that, routing is filed individually for every flight. An airline can choose to file over the baltics or through Ukraine, and it’s decided individually every time. The only thing Russia can block are changes to flight plans already filed. * Apparently Austrian Airlines got their flight plan rejected, and Air France’s second flight to Moscow did nit take off, either. Uncharted territory here, AFAIK Russia has no ground to refuse these flight plans. ** KLM and BA are going around BY and through Russia just fine , so who knows wtf’s going on Mokotow fucked around with this message at 17:29 on May 27, 2021 |
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Some amazing new developments on the email. Apparently the account was created 9 days before the fateful Ryanair flight. Now, Tikhanovskaya, who gave a speech at the Delphi Economic Forum mentioned in the email, flew back to Vilnius on the same flight just one week prior. So basically, it looks like they wanted to get Tikhanovskaya, backed out of it at the last moment for some reason, and then used their first bomb threat draft to get Protasiewicz. This also explains why 'Hamas' would demand ceasefire when it was already accomplished.
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Maybe if it was indeed Russian-run operation, maybe they made the decision to spare her. That would also explain why she is mysteriously gone from their wanted list.
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https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1397998620381790213?s=19 Another problem this creates is people wanting to leave Belarus are finding harder to get out, and the people already out living in neighboring countries live in fear of the KGB dragging them back.
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Which was exactly the point. He doesn't have the budget to novichok people but still wants critics living abroad to be afraid.
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https://twitter.com/NA7AL13/status/1398263777896902658 https://twitter.com/ThatEuroSite/status/1398281150007808004 No more Eurovision for Belarus
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Don't know about that decision. Eurovision should be for everybody And it's not like this will hurt Batka one bit.
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