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Which of these pink video game heroes is best
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Kirby 126 71.59%
Jigglypuff 34 19.32%
Clefairy 16 9.09%
Total: 176 votes
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stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



FirstAidKite posted:

American McGee's Scrapland is a game that exists.


Now that I've gotten that part out of the way, let's all remember the best thing about Scrapland:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ikMcHyyNMU

That was the first time I bought a game only to discover my dad's PC couldn't run it. 0/10

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Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Speaking of hidden bangers. Hideki Naganuma of Jet Set Radio fame submitted this to some rando mobile game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8efRFhEcuQ

Me @ the 1:10 mark

Mode 7
Jul 28, 2007

Infinitum posted:

Speaking of hidden bangers. Hideki Naganuma of Jet Set Radio fame submitted this to some rando mobile game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8efRFhEcuQ

Me @ the 1:10 mark


gently caress yah.

Mode 7
Jul 28, 2007

It's like Tim Follin turning out this absolutely amazing track for... Pictionary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJwh3erQlyE

Or like most things Tim Follin has done really.

Tim Follin has not had much luck with his music appearing in good games.

bone emulator
Nov 3, 2005

Wrrroavr

Mode 7 posted:

It's like Tim Follin turning out this absolutely amazing track for... Pictionary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJwh3erQlyE

Or like most things Tim Follin has done really.

Tim Follin has not had much luck with his music appearing in good games.

I'm looking at this video about him :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC1dTzyb5Gs

And it's incredible what he did with the sound hardware of cheapo 80s computers. Creating actual music on the ZX spectrum and the music to Ghouls & Ghosts on the C64 which does not sound like a C64 game at all

Frankston
Jul 27, 2010


I've got around to playing Bloodstained and I'm having a lot of fun, but I just killed Gebel and got a weird game over which made me lol. I guess it's a bad ending but it's done in such a ham-fisted way I was left scratching my head at what just occurred.

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

Khanstant posted:

Why do videogame reviewers call themselves journalists? Did the movie thumbs men consider himselves a journalist? Does the person writing product reviews for toasters fancy themselves a journalist?

Yes they call themselves that because of how what they do is considered journalism, don't quote me on this ever again.

Hello did a brief stint games writing a while back and have one or two buddies who are still sticking it out full-time for games publications:

Most people who review games but don't do actual reporting are careful not to call themselves journalists, in my experience. Like, yes, in the strictest sense of the word they are, but for most people 'journalist' implies you're a reporter rather than just a critic. Most people would describe themselves as a games writer, a member of the press, or some other softer language. It's also largely an enthusiast/industry press, which is why (amongst all the other obvious reasons) it was so bleak seeing the whole controversy a few years back. It's a lot of people working exploitative contracts to write about expensive toys, not blowing the lid on watergate - and although most people who do it for a living are very careful to act with some kind of journalistic integrity just because there tends to be a strong sense of editorial pride in those worksplaces, they'll be the first to admit that 'journalism' is a misleading term for the bulk of games writing.

To your other point though, 100% the person writing SEO driven clickbaity product reviews and online store copy or advertorials for toasters is a serious freelance journalist, critic, or professional author who is moonlighting as a copywriter in-between the freelance jobs they actually care about, because you can actually pay your rent with that stuff and it's steady work in limitless supply.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


You're not a journalist unless you know how to bone down hard.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

No but you see there was the one Cuphead video so I have to make the same tired joke for like five years.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
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its funny tho becuase they almost all do seem to suck lol

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006
Obviously online harassment makes an already thankless and precarious job even more miserable, but I still lol at the time my colleague published a piece about how Cuphead's easy mode restricted game progression, and that it was a shame because they found Cuphead too hard otherwise, and the top comment on our Facebook page was "you made a whole article just to tell everyone you suck at video games"

if you wanna do a job where there's no money unless you work for one of a dozen outlets worldwide (and even then the rug can be pulled under you at any moment), a ton of regimen, tedium and hard work is projected over a hobby that has otherwise been a lifelong escapism from those very things, and the whole internet hates you by default, may I suggest... games writing

cuphead's not too hard though. they do just suck at video games

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
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[someone posts a video of giant bomb playing a game i rexlfively backflip away from the old man running into a wall while complaining he doesnt know whahts going on while a tutorial yells on screen exactly what to do.]

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Frankly if you don’t play video games at least 12 hours day you have no right to write about video games. It’d be like someone who doesn’t watch movies at least 12 hours a day writing about movies. Just ridiculous

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Games writers tend to be well above average in terms of gaming skill. The vast majority of gamers - including the audiences for these publications are bad.

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
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thinking about going to reead a music review but itd done by some guy who doesnt understand what rhythm is and keeps struggling to describe whaht hes hearing

"and then the drums did this thing. idk what it was lol uhhh it was like budumba bap it was sick. anyway if theyw ant more people to listen they should probably stick to verse/chorus structure imo"

bone emulator
Nov 3, 2005

Wrrroavr

Game reviews were just purchasing advice, they were not meant to be some deep dive into game mechanics and thematic elements or whatever

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


The shame you feel when your friend from English class says he's "pretty hardcore" about video games and you body him in Soul Calibur 2 with loving Link. Disgraceful.

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Yeah music critics should have to prove that they can play the album on guitar (or cello) before writing about it

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=848Y1Uu5Htk

Amp
Sep 10, 2010

:11tea::bubblewoop::agesilaus::megaman::yoshi::squawk::supaburn::iit::spooky::axe::honked::shroom::smugdog::sg::pkmnwhy::parrot::screamy::tubular::corsair::sanix::yeeclaw::hayter::flip::redflag:

Stux posted:

thinking about going to reead a music review but itd done by some guy who doesnt understand what rhythm is and keeps struggling to describe whaht hes hearing

"and then the drums did this thing. idk what it was lol uhhh it was like budumba bap it was sick. anyway if theyw ant more people to listen they should probably stick to verse/chorus structure imo"

lmao

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Probably shouldn’t offer a “fun factor” rating if you yourself aren’t fun

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

i'm the dumdum thinking that the audience is watching GB, streamers, vtubers for their elite gaming skills

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



Anyway we all know that peak gaming journalism were the PS2/XBOX magazines that came with pages of borderline softcore porn and sex line ads.

And this guy:

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

I read PS2 mags for the articles

JollyBoyJohn
Feb 13, 2019

For Real!
Good day thread, its a gorgeous Monday Bank Holiday in Scotland and I can't be bothered with not sitting in the sun so I'm taking a few fighting fantasy gamebooks and having a good time

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 6 days!

Jay Rust posted:

Yeah music critics should have to prove that they can play the album on guitar (or cello) before writing about it

so to you a music revieiwer beingg able to correctly desribe and understand what theyre hearing is the same as asking them to play it lol

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

To me a game reviewer doesn’t need to be good at the game to correctly describe and understand what they’re playing

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
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music, film, other art reviews: presumption that reviewer is familiar with the medium, knows more about it than most people, abel to understand an grapple with everything from pop art to complex pieces

game reviews: preferably you are reviewing an fps game while entirely unable to aim a crosshair despite this being the 50th fps game youve reviewed this year

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

well said op. now to take a look at the list of people who have finished at least one run of hades and see the journalists:stux ratio while taking a huuuuuuuuuge drink

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
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now contast that with the sekiro ratio and understand that hades is a baby game, for children

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Hades has sex scenes, sekiro does not. Now which is the real baby game

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

You could always turn on god mode if Hades is too hard for you, Stux

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock

Jay Rust posted:

Hades has sex scenes

uh what?

Stux
Nov 17, 2006
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the worst part of hades is it semes neither the writer nor the actor for the mc have any idea when or how the word mate should be said and its like nails on a chalkboard everytime

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

Stux posted:

music, film, other art reviews: presumption that reviewer is familiar with the medium, knows more about it than most people, abel to understand an grapple with everything from pop art to complex pieces

game reviews: preferably you are reviewing an fps game while entirely unable to aim a crosshair despite this being the 50th fps game youve reviewed this year

Being familiar with a medium doesn't mean you gotta have good reaction times or fine motor skills or whatever tho. You just have to know a lot about the medium and its history/cultural context and be able to form a solid opinion. It's also really hard to properly play a game on-stream while also talking eruditely about that game while also in an office studio or at a trade show or whatever. But also everyone misses mechanics all the time in most games because game design isn't always perfect. It's fine basically don't worry about it

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006

Stux posted:

the worst part of hades is it semes neither the writer nor the actor for the mc have any idea when or how the word mate should be said and its like nails on a chalkboard everytime

We can agree on this tho. see also - all of tracer's mockney dialogue in overwatch, which is written by west coast tech bros and delivered by a voice actor from yorkshire

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


ymgve posted:

uh what?

:wink:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4uyc7SBSlc

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Jay Rust posted:

Kinda hate how attractive they made everyone in ff7r

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Stux
Nov 17, 2006
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The Grumbles posted:

Being familiar with a medium doesn't mean you gotta have good reaction times or fine motor skills or whatever tho. You just have to know a lot about the medium and its history/cultural context and be able to form a solid opinion. It's also really hard to properly play a game on-stream while also talking eruditely about that game while also in an office studio or at a trade show or whatever. But also everyone misses mechanics all the time in most games because game design isn't always perfect. It's fine basically don't worry about it

it does if you are reviweing examples of a medium that specifically require that to engage with it lol. reviewing any media requires that the critic have a specific set of skills that are generally better than most of the audience for that media. a very good example of this kind of active participation that isnt often thought about is in fact music. there is a very specific and trainable skill that most people do not have when it comes to listening to music, to be able to alter your own perception of the piece. to be able to isolate and compare the individual instruments in even very large ensembles and then switch back into hearing it as a whole. to be able to follow along with complex rhythmic parts and understand and comprehend everything thats happening. this is something you are taught or train yourself to do and its an absolutely vital skill fi you want to actually be able to be an effective critic. its also something the majority of people who listen to music absolutely cannot do.

its also not like its just games where its expected that a critic can deal with multiple facets of a work, film critics need to understand cinematography, writing, acting, they need to even have some level of understanding of music and its uses albeit in a contextual manner and not as in depth as a dedicated music critic would. a film critic who was unable to offer anything on the cinematography of a film due to them not having a sufficient understanding of it would be a worthless critic. if you are reviewing games, which are an inherently interactive medium, which can very often require good reaction times etc, you should probably have an above average level of expertise in that area, or at least if you are going to specifically review games which require it.

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