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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

and the root problem is laid bare

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vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011


of America

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

"The Voice of Labour": uh, drugs are cool y'all

they are and marx would drink all of you under the table

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

inconspicuous

The Voice of Labor posted:

they are and marx would drink all of you under the table

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

I dunno how you're going to pay for any sort of revolution without drugs.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Raskolnikov38 posted:

I’m just picturing max hoffman and the ottoman delegation in full military regalia trying to make small talk with a tattered overcoat wearing peasant the Russian delegation literally pulled off the street on their way to the meeting

look, if they put you on the spot, what would you do? you're wearing a nice coat, might as well puff your chest out

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

more people will come to the party if you say there will be punch and pie

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

bagual posted:


like, it's ok that they raised awareness, it's just i don't see the point in looking up to a group of people that may have changed cultural norms in the first world but never even got close to actually challenging imperial power

a lot of emphasis on peace and love and poo poo like that in hippie circles, but we don't want no peace, no universal brotherhood with the people killing us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOZQZAX4deM

I think you may be underestimating awareness in the united states. the number of people who know or care what the state department is up to is pretty low. the percentage of adult americans who could find brazil on a map is probably not much more than 25%.

peace means cia cretins not arming and training death squads. it is an ultimately desirable end even if there are intermediate steps that first must be taken to obtain it

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
A few years after the war, when touring the field at Tannenberg, Hoffmann told a group of army cadets "See—this is where Hindenburg slept before the battle, this is where Hindenburg slept after the battle, and between you and me this is where Hindenburg slept during the battle".[29]

hoffman was extremely not mad that hidenburg got all the credit for tannenberg

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

As a great political philosopher once said, "There are two major problems in the world that are very prominent. One is the issue of peace and the other is the North-South issue."

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
The American left died in the 1950s and the New Left was just pretty much cosplay. Hippies were middle class children that just didn’t want to be conscripted but wouldn’t have cared if the conflict had stayed a “professional” affair. There was not broad social movement in subsequent American conflicts.

Hippies counted as the “left” in the 1990s only because they were the closest thing to it (not very close).

I mean there were some true believers in there but they were pretty much isolated individuals.

I guess CPUSA is still around but technically it should be banned.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 02:40 on May 31, 2021

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

inconspicuous

The Voice of Labor posted:

I think you may be underestimating awareness in the united states. the number of people who know or care what the state department is up to is pretty low. the percentage of adult americans who could find brazil on a map is probably not much more than 25%.

peace means cia cretins not arming and training death squads. it is an ultimately desirable end even if there are intermediate steps that first must be taken to obtain it

there's plenty of countries with populations way more educated than the US that nevertheless act like pieces of poo poo on the world stage

this is not to say awareness and education aren't important but it's not enough without a collective political project aimed at bringing down the ruling class

i don't pretend i have an actual roadmap to changing the world, it's incredibly hard and some of the smartest and most educated people in the world are playing on the other team with unbelievable resources at their disposal. what i'm saying comes from my understanding of history and how things played out in the past to explain why everything failed so far, but if you have a list of peaceful intermediate steps between raising awareness and stopping the cia, well, :justpost: there might be something interesting in there

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Ardennes posted:

The American left died in the 1950s and the New Left was just pretty much cosplay. Hippies were middle class children that just didn’t want to be conscripted but wouldn’t have cared if the conflict had stayed a “professional” affair. There was not broad social movement in subsequent American conflicts.

Hippies counted as the “left” in the 1990s only because they were the closest thing to it (not very close).

I mean there were some true believers in there but they were pretty much isolated individuals.

I guess CPUSA is still around but technically it should be banned.

I'm sorry to do this, but I'm framing this post to "Fortunate Son" because it's appropriate

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Victory Position posted:

I'm sorry to do this, but I'm framing this post to "Fortunate Son" because it's appropriate

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Ardennes posted:

I guess CPUSA is still around but technically it should be banned.

why ban a party that keeps endorsing Democrats?

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
Rortunate Son

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

The Voice of Labor posted:

john lennon felled by an assassin's bullet. judi bari, attempted assassination. I'm sure there are a bunch of other earth first and wto protestors who got suicided. all hippies and anarchists. this thread, allowed to live.

spooks don't give a gently caress about idealogies beyond knowing that they don't like it. I would also suggest that what determines a threat is how broad it's reach is.

food not bombs is allowed to exist because no one wants to eat beans. riot ribs is immediately cointelpro'ed because if you're giving out ribs and hamburgers and other desirable food stuffs, that represents a threat.

so yeah, this lovely thread is allowed to live because any hint of inquiry into a better world or how to go about realizing it is dogpiled for two pages

The hippie anarchist has logged on

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

fine. better than being called a lib or a mod

animist
Aug 28, 2018
i think leftist sentiment really is increasing rapidly among the younger american generations. imo the biggest barrier to that coalescing into something is the internet itself.

the internet is perfect for dumb arguments and banal utopian consciousness raising but it's just deeply opposed to any kind of actual organizing. You're physically separate from the people you're talking to, and you're talking in public on a surveilled platform.

you can't do real poo poo for your community together because you're not physically with each other. And you can't post anything really threatening to capital because then you get banned. So all you can do is shitpost. And because of how online works, the worst shitposters get the most attention.

Leftist online mass media sucks because of infectious online ad economy. Anybody who gets a solid podcast or YouTube channel going immediately gets handed a hundred dollar check and told "you get more if you get more views." By the time anybody gets a serious following, they have a material interest in keeping the views coming and not posting anything really threatening to capital. (Hence the chapoids' "aw shucks we're just entertainers." Not that they were ever anything but socdems anyway, but you know what I mean.)

it's not even like an old school commie newspaper or whatever, cause even then, at least you were doing actually running a printing press and meeting people irl

animist has issued a correction as of 06:24 on May 31, 2021

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/butlikesrsly/status/1399012699770589196

Samog
Dec 13, 2006
At least I'm not an 07.

The Voice of Labor posted:

I would also suggest that what determines a threat is how broad it's reach is. food not bombs is allowed to exist because no one wants to eat beans. riot ribs is immediately cointelpro'ed because if you're giving out ribs and hamburgers and other desirable food stuffs, that represents a threat

lmao

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

The Voice of Labor posted:

john lennon felled by an assassin's bullet. judi bari, attempted assassination. I'm sure there are a bunch of other earth first and wto protestors who got suicided. all hippies and anarchists. this thread, allowed to live.

spooks don't give a gently caress about idealogies beyond knowing that they don't like it. I would also suggest that what determines a threat is how broad it's reach is.

food not bombs is allowed to exist because no one wants to eat beans. riot ribs is immediately cointelpro'ed because if you're giving out ribs and hamburgers and other desirable food stuffs, that represents a threat.

so yeah, this lovely thread is allowed to live because any hint of inquiry into a better world or how to go about realizing it is dogpiled for two pages

idk if the second iteration of a thread on a dead gay comedy forum is the comparison to go for dude

edit: not trying to pile on.

Tiler Kiwi
Feb 26, 2011
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdDBImYa_gM

Jon Pod Van Damm
Apr 6, 2009

THE POSSESSION OF WEALTH IS IN AND OF ITSELF A SIGN OF POOR VIRTUE. AS SUCH:
1 NEVER TRUST ANY RICH PERSON.
2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
BY RULE 1, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PRESUME THAT ALL DEGREES AND CREDENTIALS HELD BY A WEALTHY PERSON ARE FRAUDULENT. THIS JUSTIFIES RULE 2--RULE 1 NEEDS NO JUSTIFIC



animist posted:

Leftist online mass media sucks because of infectious online ad economy. Anybody who gets a solid podcast or YouTube channel going immediately gets handed a hundred dollar check and told "you get more if you get more views." By the time anybody gets a serious following, they have a material interest in keeping the views coming and not posting anything really threatening to capital. (Hence the chapoids' "aw shucks we're just entertainers." Not that they were ever anything but socdems anyway, but you know what I mean.)

it's not even like an old school commie newspaper or whatever, cause even then, at least you were doing actually running a printing press and meeting people irl
christman has said that people should spend less time on the computer on his streams maybe not as much lately as he did during 2020

“Log Off”: Matt Christman on Power, Politics, and the Future of the Left, 2017 posted:

Gate: What advice would you like to give to anybody who is young and coming up on the left or is interested in the left? And what message would you impart to those people about what effective resistance looks like, what an effective movement looks like, what to beware of, and what to look for in the process of building a socialist system?

Christman: My most basic suggestion would be to spend way more time organizing than being online. Log off, basically. I mean, that’s advice that any of us could use in our day-to-day lives. But I think especially for anyone who wants to keep their eye on the ball, who wants to maintain focus, and remember what’s important: to log off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcuj7SWlgg4

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
oh my loving god

https://twitter.com/jacobin/status/1399063857394556933

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

ted hitler hunter posted:

christman has said that people should spend less time on the computer on his streams maybe not as much lately as he did during 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcuj7SWlgg4

sometimes jacobin's youtube videos have a different garish color or cyclical arrow symbols instead of linear ones and i cannot for the life of me decipher the code. obviously i am basing this off thumbnails because i would die before i watched one

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

i truly hate jacobin lol

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer
jack off bin

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

Jon Joe posted:

jack off bin

I thought they closed that place down

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

yr new gurlfrand! posted:

I thought they closed that place down

it's called the CSPAM Chat Thread now

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004


so it's come to this: college essays, presented in no particular order,

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

they have a point, this does seems wholly compatible with the DSA

MLSM
Apr 3, 2021

by Azathoth

Ana Karensparian works at this rag now so this is not surprising


:laffo:

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Even the godawful "peoples' microphone" was too much of a government for them, which is part of why the "activists" responsible for CHAZ made sure it'd have no governing whatsoever.

Didn't a sound cloud rapper declare himself the president of CHAZ

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

The Voice of Labor posted:

they are and marx would drink all of you under the table

Both the CNT-FAI and Mao's China declared drug use to be a symptom of the despair caused by capitalism. Meanwhile the Soviet Union attempted to stamp out alcohol consumption for it's entire existence.

I can't think of a single socialist movement of any note that didn't crack down on drug use, both illicit and legal.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Dreddout posted:

Didn't a sound cloud rapper declare himself the president of CHAZ

Yeah, he used it as an excuse to extort people on the street with his goon squad.

Emmideer
Oct 20, 2011

Lovely night, no?
Grimey Drawer

Dreddout posted:

Didn't a sound cloud rapper declare himself the president of CHAZ

He was barely even a factor in things per my friends who were at CHAZ. Place had the exact same vibes as a street fair, but with anarchist evangelists

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V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

i liked the CHAZ

it ended in a sadly very predictable way, but people dared dream for a bit and try out something new and i think that's nice

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