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also now we have a very specific thing to point to to explain why we don't do that kind of thing
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May 31, 2021 18:27
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The elemental quality of the CHAZ was that they were gonna have no democracy, no cops, and support & protect private businesses. How is this not anarcho-capitalism?
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May 31, 2021 18:34
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https://twitter.com/MissPavIichenko/status/1399364001893601286
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May 31, 2021 18:49
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https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1397221028267446289 Has anyone followed this game from an ideological perspective? Civ has always been thoroughly shot through with a lot of end of history liberal dogma (up to making "Liberalism" in Civ 4 a tech that gave you an extra free tech to represent its promethean boost to human development) and has certainly spread some unhealthy ideas about human history, so any counter narrative with the same scope would be good, though I don't think this will really be it...
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May 31, 2021 18:50
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The elemental quality of the CHAZ was that they were gonna have no democracy, no cops, and support & protect private businesses. It was anarcho-capitalism to the point that a strongman immediately moved in and subjugated everyone to his whim the system works! 
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May 31, 2021 19:01
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True CHAZ has never been tried
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May 31, 2021 19:05
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Stickfigure posted:True CHAZ has never been tried it has, its called the DPRK 
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May 31, 2021 19:06
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Hodgepodge posted:60s counterculture had its true believers, but it was doomed to be stripped of any serious critique in favour of an easily commodified and purely aesthetic politics. the boomers had a lot of anxiety around selling out, mostly because a lot of people who had sold out needed to convince themselves they hadn't/someone else was worse. I feel like "authenticity politics" if that's even a term, is one if the bigger hidden narratives of capitalism, especially as it ties into colonialism (including of black culture in the US) and valorization of war as an "authentic" experience/sacrifice. Has anyone written on this topic or something similar? Pener Kropoopkin posted:Subcultures can never be truly transformative because they're defined by their relationship to normativity.
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May 31, 2021 19:10
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May 31, 2021 19:20
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:Has anyone followed this game from an ideological perspective? Civ has always been thoroughly shot through with a lot of end of history liberal dogma (up to making "Liberalism" in Civ 4 a tech that gave you an extra free tech to represent its promethean boost to human development) and has certainly spread some unhealthy ideas about human history, so any counter narrative with the same scope would be good, though I don't think this will really be it... I dunno about this Humankind game or whatever, but iirc in Civ having a communist government gave you production bonuses. I just checked the wiki for civ 6 and that still holds. You get defensive bonuses for the military and a slight production boost. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 19:24 on May 31, 2021 |
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May 31, 2021 19:22
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Demon Semen posted:That is also why hippies and anarchist organizations are tolerated by the capitalist class, and marxists are not, hth All of Europe lived in anarchist communities called "villages", and their feudal masters could be happy to let them govern their internal affairs as long as sufficient tax and corvee labour was provided by the community. Similar methods were also employed for providing labour in parts of the Spanish colonial empire, which should be telling. Once capitalism was advanced enough and it was more profitable to dissolve the village communes or turn their members into outright serfs, these disparate local communities across Europe ultimately failed to resist the rise of the capitalist state. Basically, local communal self governance can easily be incorporated into a capitalist system (as they will be weak enough to easily crush if needed). Is there anything in anarchism that isn't ultimately medievalist? PoontifexMacksimus has issued a correction as of 19:26 on May 31, 2021 |
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May 31, 2021 19:23
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I dunno about this Humankind game or whatever, but iirc in Civ having a communist government gave you production bonuses. I just checked the wiki for civ 6 and that still holds. You get defensive bonuses for the military and a slight production boost. Civ 2 still holds the crown with the Fundamentalist government making so none of your citizens could ever be unhappy
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May 31, 2021 19:28
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:Basically, local communal self governance can easily be incorporated into a capitalist system (as they will be weak enough to easily crush if needed). Is there anything in anarchism that isn't ultimately medievalist? I'd argue there are many anarchists who are about class struggle and believe in the Marxist idea of worker self-governance but are naive enough that they think you can simply skip the state phase entirely. Unfortunately the utopian thinking therein causes many to indulge in weird back to the earth agrarian fantasies, and the anarchists who are less dense probably become Marxists most (not necessarily all) of the time
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May 31, 2021 19:30
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A lot of posters in this thread had an anarchist phase before accepting Marxism. Myself included.
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May 31, 2021 19:33
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I think anarchism is the defacto philosophy that you turn to when you realize what liberalism is.
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May 31, 2021 19:34
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I avoided all of this by directly going from lib to jucheism. All hail the glorious revolutionary Kim Il-sung.
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May 31, 2021 19:35
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i described myself as a libertarian socialist in 8th grade
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May 31, 2021 19:39
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i went through the liberal->social fascist->squishy anti-revionist dumbass->stalinism-dengoidism genocide denier Pipeline
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May 31, 2021 19:47
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May 31, 2021 19:54
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Dreddout posted:You're putting the superstructure before the base rather than the other way around. So, social criticism that is couched in sufficiently ritual/formalized terms doesn't destabilize society, it helps reinforce it. There are anthropological examples of trial societies ritually "dissolving" at set intervals due to stated incompatibilities and then merging back stronger than before with no material change. Another example coming to mind is how some early modern westerners would be surprised at the freedom of political criticism afforded to famous Sufi holy men in "oriental despotic" states, when allowing that specific form of criticism was part of the ritual assembly that assured the ruler's legitimacy.
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May 31, 2021 19:54
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PoontifexMacksimus posted:https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1397221028267446289 I've occasionally thought about how you'd have a Civ game that's just a strictly Marxist view of historical development but idk enough to make it work
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May 31, 2021 20:04
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May 31, 2021 20:29
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StashAugustine posted:I've occasionally thought about how you'd have a Civ game that's just a strictly Marxist view of historical development but idk enough to make it work Not a all marxist and I hope there are better YT critiques but this one still sticks in my mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBlEscMLjy0 Also: by the default design language of strategy games you would be playing the villains. I mean, a game were you play out the development from slavery to feudalism to capitalist imperialism from the perspective of the ruling class, explore the world for "virgin" land and key resources to steal from less developed states, and try to stave off the ungrateful working masses with petty luxury goods or military oppression... already describes any given Civ game The game Imperialism actually featured some interesting and relevant parts, like the drive to conquer smaller countries not just to take their resources, but to secure them as sales markets for your goods, which isn't really a mechanic I have seen in any other strategy game PoontifexMacksimus has issued a correction as of 21:18 on May 31, 2021 |
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May 31, 2021 21:07
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May 31, 2021 21:37
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The Voice of Labor posted:john lennon felled by an assassin's bullet. judi bari, attempted assassination. I'm sure there are a bunch of other earth first and wto protestors who got suicided. all hippies and anarchists. this thread, allowed to live. This lovely thread is allowed to live because it has exactly zero political power or influence and is largely just a bunch of history nerds shooting the poo poo.
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May 31, 2021 21:47
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loving lol at the idea of riot ribs being “cointelproed”
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May 31, 2021 21:51
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They want to kill us all and have no real distinction beyond "liberals" for everyone from John Oliver to posters itt. Sectarianism is stupid, neither anarchists nor marxists nor whoever else in that term have the kind of numbers and physical means for any of our differences to actually matter. Get a vanguard party and a few actual tanks, or an autonomous commune feeding the homeless with a VW Bus, either one will get you dead by one or more of the spook orgs that run our respective countries. We all die as humans, not lacunian postmodern anarchists.
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May 31, 2021 22:08
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Comrade Koba posted:loving lol at the idea of riot ribs being “cointelproed” I mean, feds or no, the cops gave them the business hard.
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May 31, 2021 22:08
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tokin opposition posted:We all die as humans, not lacunian postmodern anarchists. to die for the revolution is to die a hero.
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May 31, 2021 22:28
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tokin opposition posted:They want to kill us all and have no real distinction beyond "liberals" for everyone from John Oliver to posters itt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYfgvS0FA7U
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May 31, 2021 22:32
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elements of the state have definitely shown themselves to be knowledgeable about Leftist debates https://twitter.com/ImReadinHere/status/1084158761814626304?s=20 The only local police department with this level of finesse is possibly the NYPD, because its the Feds who do the real job of sowing chaos within dissident political groups.
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May 31, 2021 22:34
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May 31, 2021 23:29
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Dreddout posted:Both the CNT-FAI and Mao's China declared drug use to be a symptom of the despair caused by capitalism. Meanwhile the Soviet Union attempted to stamp out alcohol consumption for it's entire existence. coincidentally, I'm sure, none is also the number of socialist movements that are active and which wield political power. mao smoked like 8 packs of cigarettes a day, and these were old school chinese cigarettes, loving hypocrite was running on a constant daily nicotine rush the likes of which is unimaginable today. the soviet union's only interest in stamping out alcohol consumption was to leave more vodka for inner party debaucheries. hypocrites, frauds, all of them. they knew power flows from the neck of a bottle or a pipe and they wanted to hoard it for themselves, like dragons, like capitalists. hippy drugs of choice are psychedelics and weed which are extra powermoderator dumb things to be down on. like, "what's the biggest obstacle in the way of creating and maintaining a socialist state? drugs that radically increase people's sense of empathy!"
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Jun 1, 2021 00:00
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Dreddout posted:Both the CNT-FAI and Mao's China declared drug use to be a symptom of the despair caused by capitalism. Meanwhile the Soviet Union attempted to stamp out alcohol consumption for it's entire existence. Religion is the opiate of the masses, but actual opiates are dope as hell - Karl Marx
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Jun 1, 2021 00:07
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shocking twist that the poster defending the worst aspects of the New Left also refuses to defend any actually existing socialist state or movement today
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Jun 1, 2021 00:09
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i don't think it was hypocritical of mao to want to combat the continuing destructive impact of the opium wars on china's populace
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Jun 1, 2021 00:09
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The Voice of Labor posted:coincidentally, I'm sure, none is also the number of socialist movements that are active and which wield political power. Google EZLN, and their drug policy
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Jun 1, 2021 00:10
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The Lao PDR is still around and doing its best
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bagual posted:there's plenty of countries with populations way more educated than the US that nevertheless act like pieces of poo poo on the world stage the point of contention is that while awareness and education may insufficient in and of themselves to effect change, they have primacy, they must necessarily come first. the proof is simple, the only way someone who is unaware of a problem will do anything to alleviate that problem is by chance. no one will do anything about anything unless they are first aware of it. regardless of what other conditions must be present or what comes next, that is step number one. we haven't done step number one yet. the wealthy countries whose agents butcher and oppress, the average person is unaware that that's the source of their luxury, they're usually at best liminally aware that it happens at all. the bourgeoisie news doesn't report it, the schools don't teach it, no one talks about it.
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