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massive spider posted:I'm supposed to meet someone at 10PM to get my gun back, turned up at 10.01 cause I figured there's no way to time things exact in this game so they would be there but I can't find anyone, do I need to be in that exact spot at 9 and read a book to pass time or something Load another zone and come back, the church will do fine.
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massive spider posted:I'm supposed to meet someone at 10PM to get my gun back, turned up at 10.01 cause I figured there's no way to time things exact in this game so they would be there but I can't find anyone, do I need to be in that exact spot at 9 and read a book to pass time or something if you're already there or even too close, and passing time they probably won't load, go into a building and go back. if this is what I think it is, better to go back around 1030
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I just finished this game last night, and here are my thoughts today after digesting for a bit. I'm sure all of this has been discussed already, because I wait for Steam sales and am always late to the game. 1. I avoided spoilers the entire playthrough and have no idea how much of the story was actually based on my decisions. I spent a lot of time hunted cryptids and swearing they were real (to Kim's frustration). I honestly don't know if those choices manifested the stick bug at the end. 2. I kind of wish the game would let you solve the murder before the last 15 minutes. I thought I had missed some important info leading up to it and just resigned myself to blame it on the most supra-natural explanation possible. Then the game just told me who did it and why. I also don't know why the game made is seem like not arresting Klaasje was such a failure. It was pretty clear she would be killed if I took her in, and I solved the murder without her in custody. 3. I like that you don't know exactly why Harry lost his memory. I played leaning into everything supra-natural. So that's my story, and I'm sticking to it. 4. My favorite part of the game was the church storyline (making Kim dance was incredible). I think the only connection in the game to our pop culture was when I sang Whitney Houston's "I Wanna Dance with Somebody." Side note: I heard the illumani hotties' cover of it randomly today and almost lost my mind. 5. Kim and Cuno are now both prime examples of characters I didn't like at first, but now I absolutely love. I feel like I may not have solved what was going on with Cunoesse, though. 6. I mostly took failed rolls as they came, but I ended up savescumming about 5 times in the game to knock out some sidequests. I mostly liked the system, but I felt like I hit a brick wall a few times without either savescumming or putting points in stats I was ignoring so I could try again. 7. While I don't think the game needed world-ending stakes, I wish I knew more about the Pale. It's a super cool concept. 8. I have mixed feelings for Harry's downward spiral being cause by a woman he dated for a while. It's kind of cool that it's an extremely ordinary event in this extra-ordinary world. But by the end of the game, I knew next to nothing about her to appreciate what kind of impact her loss would have.
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May 31, 2021 23:29
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Professor Wayne posted:I just finished this game last night, and here are my thoughts today after digesting for a bit. I'm sure all of this has been discussed already, because I wait for Steam sales and am always late to the game. Aside from the relevant stats for the checks, whether or not you believed in the phasmid/got the pheremone spray affects the success on those checks. Otherwise it just scurries away immediately, but it always shows up. I think if you pass the Empathy check with Cuno and talk to him enough you can get him to tell you the deal with Cunoesse.
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May 31, 2021 23:41
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Professor Wayne posted:I just finished this game last night, and here are my thoughts today after digesting for a bit. I'm sure all of this has been discussed already, because I wait for Steam sales and am always late to the game.
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May 31, 2021 23:42
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Professor Wayne posted:
You're not supposed to be able to fix Cuno or Cunoesse. I'm pretty sure that's why you meet Cuno so early on: he's there to show you that not every character can be fixed by leveling up your stats and convincing him that he should go to school and make something of himself. That sometimes poo poo is just hosed and you're just a regular cop with limited power, not a superman. As for 8, I don't think she's as important as the fact that Harry drove her away through his drinking. Of course he'd be stuck on someone he dated briefly years ago: he's still an addict who can't grow because he's constantly hosed up and unable to progress beyond the point where he developed his problems. His obsession with his ex is just a manifestation of that and some desire to fix everything but being unable or unwilling to do so.
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May 31, 2021 23:46
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you fix Cuno by punching him and then making an empathetic connection. this may or may not be problematic but it works
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May 31, 2021 23:48
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As for solving the case, it's entirely on purpose that the actual murderer is someone you don't meet until the very end. Someone posted it a ways upthread, but there's a list of "rules" for detective stories, and DE makes a point of breaking nearly every single one, including the one that says the culprit should never, ever be someone the reader hasn't met yet, because it isn't a detective story. The story isn't about solving a murder, it's about Harry trying to get his poo poo together. It just happens to occur during a murder investigation.
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May 31, 2021 23:59
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Sininu posted:Oh, this reminded me something about my playthrough. Along the same line, what happens at the end if I never report my badge missing? I imagine they still find out since Kim and Joyce know, so it’s easy to imagine they heard it through the grapevine.
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Jun 1, 2021 00:13
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I haven't tried not finding my badge while also not reporting it missing, but if you find it without reporting it missing, it still gets brought up. Jean says something like "if you're such a good cop, show me your badge," and I think implies you've lost it before.
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Jun 1, 2021 00:31
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It would be pretty obvious you've lost everything anyway since Jean scopes you out and he'd be rightly suspicious of why your extremely expensive car is nowhere to be found near the crime scene or the hotel.
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Don't you basically convince Cuno to become a cop? At the very least you give him a sense he can do positive things and actually put his brain to use solving problems.. That seems like something
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Lugubrious posted:I haven't tried not finding my badge while also not reporting it missing, but if you find it without reporting it missing, it still gets brought up. Jean says something like "if you're such a good cop, show me your badge," and I think implies you've lost it before. cumshitter posted:It would be pretty obvious you've lost everything anyway since Jean scopes you out and he'd be rightly suspicious of why your extremely expensive car is nowhere to be found near the crime scene or the hotel. Yeah, I suspect you’re both right, so there probably won’t be any unique dialogue. I should find out either way in a few days, I guess!
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GlyphGryph posted:Don't you basically convince Cuno to become a cop? At the very least you give him a sense he can do positive things and actually put his brain to use solving problems.. That seems like something Cuno is portrayed as only understanding violence. You gain his respect by punching him in the mouth, and he describes his father as some avatar of violence. I don't think giving a guy like Cuno a badge and a gun is going to be a net good for society, which kind of makes sense with the themes of the characters. There's a bunch of perfectly legitimate people you could have recruited to finish the investigation (titus, cryptozoologist wife, etc.) and the one person who will join you is a complete piece of poo poo. It strikes me less as a redemption arc, and more a depiction of the authors opinions about policing than anything
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Cuno is portrayed as only understanding violence. You gain his respect by punching him in the mouth, and he describes his father as some avatar of violence. I don't think giving a guy like Cuno a badge and a gun is going to be a net good for society, which kind of makes sense with the themes of the characters. There's a bunch of perfectly legitimate people you could have recruited to finish the investigation (titus, cryptozoologist wife, etc.) and the one person who will join you is a complete piece of poo poo. It strikes me less as a redemption arc, and more a depiction of the authors opinions about policing than anything Cuno is a malnourished gremlin child who has grown up with a drunk single parent in absolutely crushing poverty. Do you expect him to have a nuanced view of the world?
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It is so fun to play a "I am Cuno's bitch" run where you're just in awe of him, and when you find his dad who is clearly dying of liver failure passed out in his bed you can be all like, "This can't be Cuno's dad, Cuno's dad is a badass!"
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Harry surviving/getting passed Cuno's dad by dressing Kim up as a hooker is canon IMO
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wiegieman posted:Cuno is a malnourished gremlin child who has grown up with a drunk single parent in absolutely crushing poverty. Do you expect him to have a nuanced view of the world? Of course not, but I also don't think he should be trained to handle a badge and a gun. This isn't a judgement of Cuno, he is very much a victim of circumstance. Edit; I guess "piece of poo poo" was a bit judgy, in hind sight.
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People surely said the same thing of young harry, growing up in some hosed up dickensian child gang. But look how well he turned out 
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Cuno is portrayed as only understanding violence. You gain his respect by punching him in the mouth, and he describes his father as some avatar of violence. I don't think giving a guy like Cuno a badge and a gun is going to be a net good for society, which kind of makes sense with the themes of the characters. There's a bunch of perfectly legitimate people you could have recruited to finish the investigation (titus, cryptozoologist wife, etc.) and the one person who will join you is a complete piece of poo poo. It strikes me less as a redemption arc, and more a depiction of the authors opinions about policing than anything
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I just finished my first run of the game. Pretty great. I got it on the PC but every loading screen was a minute long so I settled on waiting for the console version when I heard about it. For my second run I was wondering how high the stats should be to unlock passive checks? 4? 8? Can someone tell me how fast travel works? I never fast travelled once. And some spoilery questions. 1. I could not tell the twins apart. Was it always the same guy? 2. Was the last espirit de corp check with the precinct captain implying there is a secret cabal of socialist planning another revolution? 3. The communist vision quest was joining the book club and unlocking the mazovian sorcerer prestige class? I just want to confirm because I didn't get this far in my pc run and I'm worried I might miss the vision quest again if I did. 4. Is three hardies dead at the tribunal the best you could get? Well four after they kill the one that ran away. Polgas fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Fast travel is insanely obtuse in this game. I had to look up a video walkthrough. Basically, it's super simple, just go to the map and select it from the menu. Except it only works if you stand in one of three specific areas (the easiest of which to describe is "right by Kim's car", and then the others are where you can get left off by the feature), and if you're not standing in the magic place then there's absolutely no trace of the menu option or indication of where you could go to make it appear.
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Polgas posted:And some spoilery questions. I'm pretty sure it's stated that the brothers take turns being union leader and when one isn't in the role they're off doing something far enough away for switching between conversations to be impossible. Either way, it's not terribly important since it's not like they have different goals. If you want to check for yourself next run, then check the portrait to see if they have a lazy eye. That's the difference between the two brothers. cumshitter fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Akratic Method posted:Fast travel is insanely obtuse in this game. I had to look up a video walkthrough. Basically, it's super simple, just go to the map and select it from the menu. Except it only works if you stand in one of three specific areas (the easiest of which to describe is "right by Kim's car", and then the others are where you can get left off by the feature), and if you're not standing in the magic place then there's absolutely no trace of the menu option or indication of where you could go to make it appear. It also seems to arbitrarily stop working around Day 4 and then start working again after The Tribunal. Or at least that was my experience. I understand why it would be disabled, but I would have assumed that finding Ruby would be the trigger.
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Pretty sure a big implication with Cuno is that he's closest to what the protagonist was like as a kid, hence why they can potentially get along so well. People have been saying that Kim isn't as intolerance of silliness as he may come off as, and if anything seems alright partnered with someone who isn't afraid to be a bit silly and have fun. I rather get the vibe that the implication is he really isn't happy at his own precinct where he's professional but gets little to no respect, probably because of his race and his disability, having spent a decade undercover as a juvie and all. See how in the end, if you're on good terms with him, Kim is genuinely happy at the prospect of transferring to Harry's precinct. And for a lot of people complaining about the ending and the culprit: kind of a big deal is that the murder investigation is such a circuitous clusterfuck specifically because the murder came out from left field; while the victim was surrounded by obvious suspects, to the point where the Hardie Boys are happy to take the credit for it, from their perspective they suddenly had an extremely troublesome corpse in their midst and had to make up a narrative that made sense of it. Covering it up was the far better option to admitting they genuinely don't know who did it, and fully expect the authorities to take the obvious at face value- not the one cop determined and weird enough to keep grinding away at the case until the truth fell out because all other options had been exhausted.
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Is it possible to maintain enough income in this game to keep renting a room or will you always eventually have to go live in the shack as you exhaust the money found? Im living in the shack cause its the smart choice but I'm running low on cash, and I'm wondering if my next play through I'll be able to maintain renting just for role-play reasons (next harry is going to be a real capitalist prick)
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On my last run I ended the game with close to 200 reals I couldn't spend so there you go.
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Finished my first playthrough, When Iosef started mumbling his war song 'the future teaches you to be alone' I thought I caught the reference and then the next line about 'shooting rabbits or something' confirmed it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cX8szNPgrEs
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And for a lot of people complaining about the ending and the culprit: kind of a big deal is that the murder investigation is such a circuitous clusterfuck specifically because the murder came out from left field; while the victim was surrounded by obvious suspects, to the point where the Hardie Boys are happy to take the credit for it, from their perspective they suddenly had an extremely troublesome corpse in their midst and had to make up a narrative that made sense of it. Covering it up was the far better option to admitting they genuinely don't know who did it, and fully expect the authorities to take the obvious at face value- not the one cop determined and weird enough to keep grinding away at the case until the truth fell out because all other options had been exhausted. I do like that it's also possible to Narrow down before going there that the Islet actually is the most likely place the shot came from, even if you don't have the opportunity to go there before the Tribunal happens
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I figured out that the killer was a sniper on the island long before you go there. I narrowed down the shot to coming from there and passed a couple of perception checks on Klaasje's balcony when Harry noticed the sun shining off a scope from that direction.
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 If you internalize the feminist thought and talk to Rene you can goad him into revealing his dumb biotruths beliefs.
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Polgas posted:
Hell yeah.
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Something beautiful is going to happen
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Question about helping Evart: Was it intentional that his seemingly super-shady plan for the fishing village didn't seem to have moral downsides? The pyro twins who hang out with an old, horny murderer get a rec center, but the residents have to deal with temporary construction noise. You know, normal city noise? It's very possible I'm misremembering this, or didn't have the stats to find more info. My superstar cop was very, very dumb.
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Professor Wayne posted:Question about helping Evart: Was it intentional that his seemingly super-shady plan for the fishing village didn't seem to have moral downsides? The pyro twins who hang out with an old, horny murderer get a rec center, but the residents have to deal with temporary construction noise. You know, normal city noise? Drama and I think another skill or two seem fairly convinced that Evrart legit thinks the center is gonna help the district, and that he actually wants to rebuild the district. My intuition is that Evrart is good enough to fool Drama and Volition doesn't care enough to notice because it's not a parallel to Dora for it to get upset about.
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fun to think about https://twitter.com/xoxogossipgita/status/1399738020413247490?s=20
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Fabricated posted:It's heavily implied that this construction noise is going to be intentionally obnoxious as possible and the plans for the center place it so close to the shantytown houses as to effectively be right on top of them. It'll make them miserable and probably leave, at which Evrart and co. will try to get their land too- with Evrart offering some canard about giving them better affordable housing in return. I usually forge the signatures if I got the ability to do so- in my head this lets the remaining two signees either say "eh gently caress it fine" or fight it and require Evrart to start all over again. I also do it as the only real thing I can do to gently caress Evrart over in return outside of vague possibilities of investigating him later. I think Evrart is genuine and he just is incapable of sounding slimy because he's a slimey person. Corruption is an aesthetic category, after all.
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Professor Wayne posted:Question about helping Evart: Was it intentional that his seemingly super-shady plan for the fishing village didn't seem to have moral downsides? The pyro twins who hang out with an old, horny murderer get a rec center, but the residents have to deal with temporary construction noise. You know, normal city noise? Fabricated covered most of it but : I recall Kim noting it will explicitly block access. At best people having to squeeze between the fence and the front of their house to come and go. Sunlight blocking is also a big factor in that. There's no reason to believe it'd be a rec center, let alone one that would allow anyone non-Union to enter. You skills can basically never tell if Evrart is lying or not. He could be trying to rebuild the area, this is true. But for his people. Which the village is not.
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She's right, a DE movie is never going to happen. Because we already know it's going to be adapted as a TV series
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The biggest reason to distrust Evrart's intentions is probably the most obvious one: pressuring outside cops to collect the signatures for him by withholding information about the gun. I usually do it anyway though (by faking the second signature) because who else is trying to help Martinaise? Maybe it really is going to be a community center and Evrart's taking the long view about indoctrinating the youth for his future plans or something.
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