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do you need to consent to the sex pest polycule in the utopic commune or does that come later
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Jun 1, 2021 19:55
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how would you get there without consent? are you supposing an abduction scenario e: didn't see the "pest" the first time. anyway off to the gulag with the lot of them
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Jun 1, 2021 20:00
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yr new gurlfrand! posted:do you need to consent to the sex pest polycule in the utopic commune or does that come later Just join the DSA OP
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Jun 1, 2021 20:00
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Drug use has both the potential for great harm and great benefit if used properly, as discussed. I think the answer here aren't global policies about whether or not to allow drug use but to figure out what the situations are when drug is is appropriate or not and encourage use or abstinence based on conditions. E.g. in a union drive you want members to be alert and able to spend hours outside of work agitating with undecided employees and making a good impression on them, so abstinence would be desirable here. Once the vote is over though those needs aren't as immediately relevant and your members are likely to be burnt out from doing organizing on top of their jobs, so encouraging moderate drug/alcohol use to "let off steam" and facilitate socializing between members makes more sense.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:00
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ah yes, the great socialist utopia of drug warriors
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Jun 1, 2021 20:01
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the DEA and the ATF but woke
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Jun 1, 2021 20:04
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gradenko_2000 posted:the DEA and the ATF but woke problem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF8TSHN-JDA
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Jun 1, 2021 20:06
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maybe the imperial dynasties were on to something when they just staffed the bureaucracy with eunuchs
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Jun 1, 2021 20:06
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Just join the DSA OP no it sounded like there was a definitely lack of consent in that affair
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Jun 1, 2021 20:08
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if you come from a place of having experienced trauma due to drug abuse your opinions that drugs should be illegal or otherwise controlled beyond quality/safety control are wrong, but understandable otherwise you're just a fuckin cop brain reactionary authoritarian
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Jun 1, 2021 20:22
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Prohibition just gives organized criminals like the mob or cia the means to make money that they'll use to make your society worse.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:22
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At what point in the revolution do we hang the jerk who invented work?
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Jun 1, 2021 20:26
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Britain was right in the Opium Wars to help end Qing China's authoritarian prohibition on certain drugs
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Jun 1, 2021 20:29
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i was only joking when i said that imperial china had the right idea on how to run things
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Jun 1, 2021 20:32
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Making opium illegal just gave the British more money to make Chinese society worse.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:34
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Hatebag posted:Prohibition just gives organized criminals like the mob or cia the means to make money that they'll use to make your society worse. they seem to be doing alright in Chiapas
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Jun 1, 2021 20:34
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is it really communism if we cant stay at home getting stoned and playing video games all day
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Jun 1, 2021 20:35
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no, says the man in moscow
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Jun 1, 2021 20:43
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Making opium illegal just gave the British more money to make Chinese society worse. The british were smuggling opium illegally before and during the opium wars. That gave tons of money to triads which are still loving up china today
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Jun 1, 2021 20:49
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Discussing drug policy in real life without discussing imperialism or historical context is pointless. Imperialist intelligence agencies are deeply involved with the drug trade, and its profits are often used to combat popular movements. And perversely the US often uses the presence of the drug trade to justify the presence of US forces and intelligence agencies. So when discussing the drug policies of states outside the imperial core, however draconian or pragmatic, it has to be put in the context of imperialist meddling. In the US, the "War on Drugs" of course was used in part to destroy Black and Latino militant struggle and imprison millions. The illegal nature of certain drugs also inflated their value for the dealers who were linked to the CIA and other intelligence agencies. That doesn't mean crack cocaine was harmless, it was pushed on Black communities as another way to subvert them. The Sacklers did the same, pushing in rural areas to profit off exploitation and despair there. Cocaine and opiates aren't evil or anything, but we can definitely see how they can be used as a tool to weaken the working class. Individuals definitely can and do use both types of substances in a responsible fashion, but socialists have to think and act on a larger scale than the individual. We can make up what the ideal drug policy is after a revolution destroys the capitalists and imperialists, but that's just day dreaming. Getting mad at people for what they think communism might be like is weird. What actually matters is our analysis of the current situation, and what we do now.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:49
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I think all physically addictive drugs (alcohol, meth, heroin, etc) shouldn't be used by anyone and the state should provide free treatment programs to help get addicted people off of them. Massive interdiction programs and cop poo poo doesn't work and if your goal is not having a society of drug addicts why bother with what doesn't work?
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Jun 1, 2021 20:58
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Dreddout posted:I think you might be conflating racism with more generalized prejudice. i've posted this pod cast ep before, but it gives a really good overview https://novaramedia.com/2015/07/24/the-invention-of-whiteness/
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Jun 1, 2021 21:05
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Hatebag posted:I think all physically addictive drugs (alcohol, meth, heroin, etc) shouldn't be used by anyone and the state should provide free treatment programs to help get addicted people off of them. Massive interdiction programs and cop poo poo doesn't work and if your goal is not having a society of drug addicts why bother with what doesn't work? None of the participants in America's global drug war are actually interested in eliminating illicit drug use, and especially not the United States itself. Looking at the failure of these policies to do what they say on the tin is taking it all at face value. These trades are only nominally illegal because they're effectively managed by 5 Eye intelligence agencies as a source of funding they can keep off the books. If "interdiction programs and cop poo poo" didn't work then the Opium Wars would have never happened. Interdiction only seems to not work because First World drug wars are an elaborate Kabuki performance which masks the underlying imperialist agenda.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:11
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:None of the participants in America's global drug war are actually interested in eliminating illicit drug use, and especially not the United States itself. Looking at the failure of these policies to do what they say on the tin is taking it all at face value. These trades are only nominally illegal because they're effectively managed by 5 Eye intelligence agencies as a source of funding they can keep off the books. If "interdiction programs and cop poo poo" didn't work then the Opium Wars would have never happened. Interdiction only seems to not work because First World drug wars are an elaborate Kabuki performance which masks the underlying imperialist agenda. So is your assertion here that prohibition against alcohol in the us was also an op?
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Jun 1, 2021 21:14
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Hatebag posted:So is your assertion here that prohibition against alcohol in the us was also an op? interdiction seems to be doing a pretty good job keeping poo poo out of Cuba. of course they don't even allow medicinal marijuana which is loving bonkers and negligent but still it's working out
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Jun 1, 2021 21:17
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Cum is a drug so your also suggesting a nofap communism and that will only make this thread more up tight and bitchy
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Jun 1, 2021 21:18
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indigi posted:interdiction seems to be doing a pretty good job keeping poo poo out of Cuba. of course they don't even allow medicinal marijuana which is loving bonkers and negligent but still it's working out I'm not familiar with drugs in cuba but reading a few articles suggests there's a robust smuggling and distribution network moving coke, meth, and marijuana from south america through cuba to europe and the usa. I don't know if that's true or not though
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Jun 1, 2021 21:33
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Hatebag posted:So is your assertion here that prohibition against alcohol in the us was also an op? The prohibition of alcohol has a very different context from almost all other drugs that you'd expect a society to try and control. You can make gin in a jar with fermented grains, berries, and water. It's not like opium or coca production, which can only be done economically in particular climates and has to be refined before shipping off to the regions of demand like North America & Europe. In countries where the ATF & DEA have been forced out, coca production has gone down. In Bolivia they kicked out the DEA, legalized coca, but kept cocaine illegal. The result was an overall decline in coca production and use of coca reverted mostly to its cultural purpose, which is to chew it and get a buzz.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:36
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Hatebag posted:I'm not familiar with drugs in cuba but reading a few articles suggests there's a robust smuggling and distribution network moving coke, meth, and marijuana from south america through cuba to europe and the usa. I don't know if that's true or not though that was the case in the 90s and early 00s but in the last decade or so smugglers have learned to stop using them as a go-through cause all their poo poo was getting wrecked (technical terminology). and even then not much product was actually making it into the hands of Cuban citizens
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Jun 1, 2021 21:38
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lotta straightedge nerds itt
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Jun 1, 2021 21:41
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The prohibition of alcohol has a very different context from almost all other drugs that you'd expect a society to try and control. You can make gin in a jar with fermented grains, berries, and water. It's not like opium or coca production, which can only be done economically in particular climates and has to be refined before shipping off to the regions of demand like North America & Europe. In countries where the ATF & DEA have been forced out, coca production has gone down. In Bolivia they kicked out the DEA, legalized coca, but kept cocaine illegal. The result was an overall decline in coca production and use of coca reverted mostly to its cultural purpose, which is to chew it and get a buzz. Your scenario here is describing legalizing a drug and that resulting in less money going to organized crime
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Jun 1, 2021 21:42
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Hatebag posted:Your scenario here is describing legalizing a drug and that resulting in less money going to organized crime They still kept cocaine illegal and the country did not explode with coca or cocaine production. Who do you think was organizing the crime?
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Jun 1, 2021 21:50
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indigi posted:that was the case in the 90s and early 00s but in the last decade or so smugglers have learned to stop using them as a go-through cause all their poo poo was getting wrecked (technical terminology). and even then not much product was actually making it into the hands of Cuban citizens https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/politics/cuba-us-drug-smuggling/index.html posted:According to Bravo, the Cuban Interior Ministry official, the Cubans in the last 10 years have tipped off the United States to over 500 smuggling operations, and from 2003 to 2016 seized or recovered over 40 tons of marijuana, cocaine and hashish. If that much stuff is getting seized it stands to reason a lot more is getting through, although now it seems like drugs are also getting smuggled into cuba from the us for tourists to use.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:59
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The prohibition of alcohol has a very different context from almost all other drugs that you'd expect a society to try and control. You can make gin in a jar with fermented grains, berries, and water. It's not like opium or coca production, which can only be done economically in particular climates and has to be refined before shipping off to the regions of demand like North America & Europe. In countries where the ATF & DEA have been forced out, coca production has gone down. In Bolivia they kicked out the DEA, legalized coca, but kept cocaine illegal. The result was an overall decline in coca production and use of coca reverted mostly to its cultural purpose, which is to chew it and get a buzz. It is also why prohibition against alcohol (and weed) doesn't work because it is relatively easy to create/grow it. It is why the emphasis of the state should be to find the right balance of prices/measures so a large scale black market doesn't development. As for other drugs, it seems like decriminalizing possession and focusing on distribution seems to work.
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Jun 1, 2021 22:02
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thankfully in my province we have sin taxes to set high minimum pricing for alcohol, which has prevented alcoholism from taking root in our communities
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Jun 1, 2021 22:07
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crime should be organized, by a UNION
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Jun 1, 2021 22:07
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tokin opposition posted:crime should be organized, by a UNION Now we're gettin somewhere.
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Jun 1, 2021 22:08
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tokin opposition posted:crime should be organized, by a UNION *italian voice* da loving union baby
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Jun 1, 2021 22:11
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:They still kept cocaine illegal and the country did not explode with coca or cocaine production. Who do you think was organizing the crime? If there's not a few hundred million dollars worth of helicopters and spy planes flying around, how do they know how much coca is produced or cocaine is getting exported? It's a pretty simple process to make cocaine, you can make it in a shack with a drum of gas, some solvents, a press, and a microwave.
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Jun 1, 2021 22:14
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tokin opposition posted:crime should be organized, by a UNION The capo dei co-op
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Jun 1, 2021 22:18
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