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Jim, you don't ask the Almighty if he's a good boy!
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Jun 1, 2021 15:50
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V-Men posted:So they're rehashing Voyage Home? Following up on. It left loads of questions!
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Jun 1, 2021 15:55
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It’s an homage. And homage the term for when you hit ctrl-c on someone else’s better writing and ctrl-v it into your own stuff right? I know NuTrek writers are experts at this!
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Jun 1, 2021 17:18
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Brawnfire posted:Also I found concept art for the next trek The krill must flow!
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Jun 1, 2021 18:52
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Brawnfire posted:Following up on. It left loads of questions! Actually (sorry to respond to my own post but it lends context) it would be funny if the whale probe just roamed around Federation space, shaking up planets and being like WHERE ARE YOUR WHALES "We never had whales, dude! This is colony Gamma Accidentalis, the planet full of mysteriously irradiated ruins!" GET WHALES "There's not even oceans, they mysteriously evaporated--" GET WHALES NOW
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Jun 1, 2021 18:59
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What gets really awkward is when the viewscreen turns on to ask about 'the research team we left behind a few hundred years ago' and you can see they're dodos.
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Jun 1, 2021 19:15
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We come for revenge!! We call ourselves... uh... The EXTINCTY!
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Jun 1, 2021 19:21
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Nessus posted:What gets really awkward is when the viewscreen turns on to ask about 'the research team we left behind a few hundred years ago' and you can see they're dodos. I have serious questions about your research team if their response to getting eaten was to... Just keep getting eaten.
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Jun 1, 2021 19:47
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Brawnfire posted:Actually (sorry to respond to my own post but it lends context) it would be funny if the whale probe just roamed around Federation space, shaking up planets and being like WHERE ARE YOUR WHALES In the novel "Probe" which follows up on events in STIV, the probe doesn't give a poo poo about worlds without species that "sing" like its creators (which were telekinetic super-whales that the crew discover were wiped out by what are obviously recognizable to the reader as the Borg) other than to do a cursory check of places with oceans - "Got singing whales? No? Okay, whatever." It makes a circuit of the galaxy every few thousand years and checks in on water worlds where it has found proto-singers before. At one point it finds a Romulan industrial whaling operation in action and gets really pissed off, then puts two and two together about why Earth's humpbacks weren't answering the phone. It's one of the few Trek novels I genuinely like as a science fiction story as opposed to as a Star Trek story.
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Jun 1, 2021 20:22
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Well, that's on my to read list. I'm going full whale with my trek these days.
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Jun 1, 2021 21:28
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There's kind of a weird story behind Probe. Margaret Bonanno originally submitted a manuscript entitled Music of the Spheres, a story about the TOS crew's second encounter with the whale probe, told from the perspective from the two leads of Bonanno's previous novel Dwellers in the Crucible. While the manuscript was initially accepted just fine, she started getting requests to heavily rewrite parts of the story from the editor at Pocket Books. This eventually escalated to the point where Pocket Books got two other writers (possible J. M. Dillard and Gene DeWeese) to perform a total rewrite on Bonanno's manuscript. Her name is on the cover of Probe, but there's nothing left of Music of the Spheres in there. Both the original manuscript and a Word document discussing her experiences with the book used to be on her website, but they were taken down at some point. You can find the Word document in question through Internet Archive, and this review gives a decent rundown of ...Spheres.
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Jun 1, 2021 23:43
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I've come across that story before, and it totally sucks that it happened to her... but I read Music of the Spheres when I heard about the whole thing and I gave up halfway through it. I just didn't like it much. One of these days I may try it again, but maybe not, too.
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Jun 2, 2021 00:20
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As Pride arrives, the Trek Facebook posts things like this: Those comments. loving yikes. Star Trek: “don’t hate, love everyone” The fans: “well, actually...”
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Jun 2, 2021 20:32
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The_Doctor posted:As Pride arrives, the Trek Facebook posts things like this: Loving the honesty in quoting the Rules of Acquisition. Just "yeah, this whole pride thing is about us making money".
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Jun 2, 2021 20:51
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The_Doctor posted:As Pride arrives, the Trek Facebook posts things like this: I am digging the continuing cultural trend of really awful nerds being told non-stop by literally everything they profess to love that they are awful, bigoted people and the things they love have never stood for that kind of poo poo. And it all just goes sailing over their heads.
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Jun 2, 2021 20:54
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I thought that Star Trek was one of the fandoms that was mostly free of backwards chud types, unlike say, Star Wars and toxic fanboys crying over an Asian woman daring to have an heroic role. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they exist in Trek too.
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Jun 2, 2021 20:59
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I thought that Star Trek was one of the fandoms that was mostly free of backwards chud types, unlike say, Star Wars and toxic fanboys crying over an Asian woman daring to have an heroic role. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they exist in Trek too. I mean, the most popular and influential voice on YouTube right now talking about Star Trek is a chud who presents himself as a fascist dictator and hates women and people of colour openly on his main account and has a literal Wolfenstein SS-cosplaying white supremacist alt-account on BitChute, so yeah no Trek has the exact same groady underbelly to its fandom as Star Wars does too.
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Jun 2, 2021 21:09
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Timby posted:Catspaw. drat, good catch!
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Jun 2, 2021 21:14
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nine-gear crow posted:I mean, the most popular and influential voice on YouTube right now talking about Star Trek is a chud who presents himself as a fascist dictator and hates women and people of colour openly on his main account and has a literal Wolfenstein SS-cosplaying white supremacist alt-account on BitChute, so yeah no Trek has the exact same groady underbelly to its fandom as Star Wars does too. Yikes. This is why it can be good to ensconce yourself in bubbles sometimes. I don't consume much Star Trek stuff outside of this thread, a (non-chuddy, as far as I know) Youtube channel, and the series themselves.
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Jun 2, 2021 21:17
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Yikes. There's still a lot of great Trek-centric channels on YouTube like Steve Shives, Ketwolski, Jessie Gender, and Junkball, but a lot of discourse around Trek these days is actually super toxic and upsetting.
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Jun 2, 2021 21:22
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I am literally afraid to click on YouTube videos about Star Trek that aren't red letter media because it's either horrible Nazi poo poo or someone telling me crappy episodes of bad shows are good actually Not to equivocate or anything it's just very disturbing and often thinking about Star Trek now just makes me sad because of all this poo poo
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Jun 2, 2021 22:13
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Tighclops posted:I am literally afraid to click on YouTube videos about Star Trek that aren't red letter media because it's either horrible Nazi poo poo or someone telling me crappy episodes of bad shows are good actually You can train the algorithm by pointedly telling it not to recommend you outraged gamer vids or whatever every time it tries, all I get now is video game music and meme clips, it's given up even trying to get my account down the alt-right pipeline now
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Jun 2, 2021 22:28
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Yikes.
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Jun 2, 2021 22:40
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I thought that Star Trek was one of the fandoms that was mostly free of backwards chud types, unlike say, Star Wars and toxic fanboys crying over an Asian woman daring to have an heroic role. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they exist in Trek too. Hahahahahhaha nope, if anything the Trek fandom is somehow worse about it because it tends to skew a little older. The Facebook page posts fan-submitted stuff all the time now, like how one fan was inspired by Dax to come out as trans or an article making the argument that Seven can be read as a queer character, etc. and the comments section is always a bigoted dumpster fire and the Likes count always has tons of Laugh or Hate reactions. It’s disgusting. They’ll do it for competent innocuous stuff you wouldn’t expect too, like literally any fan finding solace in a particular character for trauma or mental health related reasons. gently caress all general fandoms.
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Jun 2, 2021 23:07
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Yeah pretty much all the fandom is split between being like almost "queer theory in trek" every other week, to being "SJWs taking away our trek cause the lead is not kirk" I mean it has really buffed my understanding of queer theory, just wish there was less of "hey, i like star trek ship designs, but did you know... that reference? THE JUDEN! Let us talk about the SJWs now." Cause most of the leftist places aren't into star ship porn like I am 
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Jun 2, 2021 23:16
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Once again, I think there's plenty of stuff in the show for both sides to read into. At the end of the day TOS and (especially) TNG were about a military crew flying around in a top of the line warship and solving the problems of the lesser races through some combination of their superior intellect and morality or guns
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Jun 2, 2021 23:16
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If you kind of squint and don't pay any attention Star Trek just looks like a bunch of white people cruising through space in their living room, occasionally telling off weird bumpy faced aliens for some reason or another squinting to the point of blindness, existing in a sort of mental fog where all you can discern are things that are either familiar or offensive; I imagine this is what life is like for conservatives
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Jun 2, 2021 23:24
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Star Trek videos are hard to watch because they're usually wrong and whats the point of encountering wrong Trekpinions if you can't immediately engage with the person saying it? red letter media star trek videos are so bad and are some of the only trek videos ive clicked to watch through just bc ive subscribed to them otherwise for whatever non-trek content. sometimes i like hearing two miserable dudes poo poo on movies ill never seen and havent heard of so that ill never have to see them or look em up. but when they get on Trek its just a slog, theyre so upset and totally miserable about sooo many things without a break and its like idk don't watch star trek. started feeling that way about star wars and now i just never watch any star wars ever again and its fine
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Jun 2, 2021 23:24
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Khanstant posted:Star Trek videos are hard to watch because they're usually wrong and whats the point of encountering wrong Trekpinions if you can't immediately engage with the person saying it? They did in fact stop watching new trek and just did episode on their favorites TNG episodes Also season 1. They still poo poo on it when it deserves it but that’s much better than fawning love
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Jun 2, 2021 23:28
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CharlestheHammer posted:They did in fact stop watching new trek and just did episode on their favorites TNG episodes I found it cathartic watching them suffer along with me through STD and especially Picard, they can be a bit nitpicky and I don't always agree with them but largely it was nice seeing them put into words how I was usually too bummed out to express, and just because misery loves company. Their TNG vids are much more enjoyable for the reasons you state
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Jun 2, 2021 23:32
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Tighclops posted:If you kind of squint and don't pay any attention Star Trek just looks like a bunch of white people cruising through space in their living room, occasionally telling off weird bumpy faced aliens for some reason or another I think to them, Trek looks a lot like very strict hierarchal white people owning
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Jun 2, 2021 23:38
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Tighclops, you're the avatar I think of when I think of "hates new trek passionately" and I understand why those videos would be cathartic. I see myself as hating it begrudgingly, desperate for it to be more gooder like it always obviously could be. I will check out their TNG videos because I wanna see what he's like enjoying something, as much as I appreciate his misery when it's at the same resonant frequency as mine.
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Jun 2, 2021 23:41
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HD DAD posted:I think to them, Trek looks a lot like very strict hierarchal white people owning This is why NuTrek upsets them so much, because women and non-white people are in charge now, and old rear end grandpa Captain Picard is now surrounded by and talked down to by those people and they don't like it.
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Jun 2, 2021 23:42
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HD DAD posted:I think to them, Trek looks a lot like very strict hierarchal white people owning And to be fair that is an accurate description of about a third of the episodes of TNG and Voyager
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Jun 2, 2021 23:43
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Khanstant posted:Tighclops, you're the avatar I think of when I think of "hates new trek passionately" and I understand why those videos would be cathartic. I see myself as hating it begrudgingly, desperate for it to be more gooder like it always obviously could be. It's not even that I'm passionate about hating it, it's that the ways in which it's bad now are so vexing and of the current era, just so specifically hosed that it's... words honestly fail me. Star Trek by libertarian crypto nerds is my personal hell. I am dead and this is hell, none of you are real.
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Jun 2, 2021 23:57
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I mean I must be dead and this would have to be hell, otherwise that would mean the current order is actually crumbling under the weight of it's own contradictions, otherwise how could Star Trek: Picard exist? Hahhaha. Ha. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWsCK7RE0Xg
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Jun 3, 2021 00:01
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I very carefully curate what I watch on Youtube so that I don't accidentally stumble upon an alt-reich shithead. Mostly I stick to so called "Breadtube" stuff. For what it's worth, the Star Trek content I've been watching is TrekCulture. I don't always agree with their conclusions but I've never noticed any sort of anti-"SJW" poo poo from them. It's sad but not really surprising that we have the toxicity just like all the other fandoms.
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Jun 3, 2021 00:09
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I definitely recall disagreeing with Tighclops, but it hasn’t been on anything recent, apparently.
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I stopped watching her videos about discovery cause she really really likes it and praises every single thing, but the most trek thing watch is Jesse Gender: https://www.youtube.com/user/lostrekkie I pretty much have the opposite takes on a lot of stuff and am more Red letter media expectations of trek, but I mean she gives me an opposing view (like she loves enterprise so so much) but at least i don't feel like i am in 2015 gamergate with every video.
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