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KomradeX posted:Considering the US's only war plan for decades was nine every communist country regardless if we're at war with them I don't really think it is The US also has the capability to do that. Israel only has an estimated 300 nukes, and they all need to be kept on submarines so they're difficult to track. But being difficult to track doesn't make it impossible to track them, and any navy worth its salt is already doing just that. Those subs can't have the range that American subs do, since American subs have direct access to both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. No matter how much Egypt may cooperate with Israel they're not going to let them pass nuclear subs through the Suez canal, so Israeli subs are stuck in the Mediterranean and Red Sea/Indian Ocean where they're not hard to find. Having Israel's limited assets try to target every major city in Europe, let alone the world, is putting them in too much risk for no gain. Plans for nuclear war also have scales of escalation. Even if Israel's plan is to nuke every country in the middle east when they're on the backfoot, there's going to be an escalation towards an all out nuclear release. Limited strikes or even just a warning strike will come first to try and force a negotiation. Unleashing the arsenal would be a last ditch effort when Israel is already in danger of being destroyed.
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Chuka Umana posted:99% chance Mossad has profiles on everyone in this thread. Eve Fartlow
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im one of those infiltrators that urges violence so we can arrest ppl
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the US will do the arresting for us but we get the ball rolling
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The US also has the capability to do that. Israel only has an estimated 300 nukes, and they all need to be kept on submarines so they're difficult to track. But being difficult to track doesn't make it impossible to track them, and any navy worth its salt is already doing just that. Those subs can't have the range that American subs do, since American subs have direct access to both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. No matter how much Egypt may cooperate with Israel they're not going to let them pass nuclear subs through the Suez canal, so Israeli subs are stuck in the Mediterranean and Red Sea/Indian Ocean where they're not hard to find. Having Israel's limited assets try to target every major city in Europe, let alone the world, is putting them in too much risk for no gain. Assuming Israel has a limited strike plan, a thing the US didn't even develop until the 70s and the DOD was forced into it. Which again isn't what I said orginally, the Israelis may not physically be capable of the Samson option, but I don't think it's any more crazy than any American war plan to bring about nuclear holocaust. The Samson Option is entirely illogical, but Cold War era nuclear policy was highly illogical pretending to be sensible logic. Which is what I was getting at when I said it isn't any dumber than any other nuclear war plan we know about.
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really queer Christmas posted:I'm glad the Palestinians can rise above their station in life only to one day betray their fellow man for a bit of power and money and pretend they aren't next. Don't everyday Palestinians already consider the Palestinian Authority and even Hamas to some degree to be collaborators who are working with the Israeli government to uphold the status quo
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KomradeX posted:Assuming Israel has a limited strike plan quote:In what they called the "Last Secret of the Six-Day War" the New York Times reported that in the days before the 1967 Six-Day War Israel planned to insert a team of paratroopers by helicopter into the Sinai. Their mission was to set up and remote detonate a nuclear bomb on a mountaintop as a warning to belligerent surrounding states. The greatly outnumbered Jewish state in a surprising turn of events effectively eliminated the Egyptian Air Force and occupied the Sinai winning the war before the test could even be set up. Retired Israeli brigadier general Itzhak Yaakov referred to this operation as the Israeli Samson Option.[21]
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The best nuclear weapons policy will always be the French one of just nuking West-Germany out of spite*. *They say it's because the Soviets would have to go through Germany to get to France but we all know the French are just itching to nuke Germany and I'm perfectly ok with that.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The US also has the capability to do that. Israel only has an estimated 300 nukes, and they all need to be kept on submarines so they're difficult to track. But being difficult to track doesn't make it impossible to track them, and any navy worth its salt is already doing just that. Those subs can't have the range that American subs do, since American subs have direct access to both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. No matter how much Egypt may cooperate with Israel they're not going to let them pass nuclear subs through the Suez canal, so Israeli subs are stuck in the Mediterranean and Red Sea/Indian Ocean where they're not hard to find. Having Israel's limited assets try to target every major city in Europe, let alone the world, is putting them in too much risk for no gain. the first hit when googling "nuclear sub suez canal" shows an IDF submarine in the suez canal.
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Chuka Umana posted:99% chance Mossad has profiles on everyone in this thread. I didn't die as a baby or am a disabled man so they didn't steal my identity https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jul/16/israel
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Israel has 80 nukes at the most. 300 is impossible, Great Britain has 300 nukes and India has 150. like half their budget would be going to nuclear weapons.
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funny story true story, Bibi's brother was in the division that would have been tapped to perform that mission
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PawParole posted:Israel has 80 nukes at the most. 300 is impossible, Great Britain has 300 nukes and India has 150. The US had 30,000 nukes by 1965.
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BigWeirdSashimi posted:funny story true story, Bibi's brother was in the division that would have been tapped to perform that mission also a funny true story, Bibi's brother led the team that did Operation Entebbe and he died while doing it
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Spergin Morlock posted:also a funny true story, Bibi's brother led the team that did Operation Entebbe and he died while doing it Hey, that IS funny!
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human garbage bag posted:The US had 30,000 nukes by 1965. The us controlled 2/3s of the world, while Israel is the size of Delaware.
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30.5 Days posted:Hey, that IS funny! He was the only one on the team that died too.
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human garbage bag posted:the first hit when googling "nuclear sub suez canal" shows an IDF submarine in the suez canal. egypt has been riding the razors edge between sweet sweet american foreign aid and "every arab country hating them for collaborating with the west" since anwar sadat (and we know how well that turned out for him)
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KomradeX posted:Assuming Israel has a limited strike plan, a thing the US didn't even develop until the 70s and the DOD was forced into it. What I meant about it being stupider is that it's literally physically impossible for Israel to do the "Samson Option" the way people talk about it. I'm not going to disagree that the US's nuclear doctrine during the cold war was completely insane - but they could do it.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:What I meant about it being stupider is that it's literally physically impossible for Israel to do the "Samson Option" the way people talk about it. I'm not going to disagree that the US's nuclear doctrine during the cold war was completely insane - but they could do it. Okay that's a fair a metric for it to qualify as stupider
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Spergin Morlock posted:also a funny true story, Bibi's brother led the team that did Operation Entebbe and he died while doing it owned
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Groovelord Neato posted:He was the only one on the team that died too. i wonder if he would have been a better PM than benjamin. i say this for the mossad agents reading this thread to wonder about. i have no idea, and i probably also have different criteria for "better"
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human garbage bag posted:It was G*d's punishment. Israel will accept the messiah when he returns now (he has already returned). eve fartlow
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PawParole posted:The us controlled 2/3s of the world, while Israel is the size of Delaware. Delaware controls the US though.
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human garbage bag posted:Delaware controls the US though. eve fartlow
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mcclay posted:eve fartlow https://twitter.com/LeftFlankVets/status/1400225816819154954?s=20
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AnimeIsTrash posted:The US/Ukrainian governments are currently funding a milita with this insignia to fight against Russia. It's just an ancient Norse black Sea symbol
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World War Mammories posted:if i die in a global conflagration it means i don't have to bother getting my life together, so who can say if its bad or not, hell yeah 
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RaySmuckles posted:hell yeah good? bad? i'm the guy who is dying in nuclear fire.
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PawParole posted:The us controlled 2/3s of the world, while Israel is the size of Delaware. Actually going by current territories, Palestine is the size of Delaware. Israel is the size of Vermont.
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Israel's new ruling government is a triumvirate of a Ultra-Nationalist far-rightist who wishes to create a Jewish Reich, a European-loving Neoliberal centrist fencesitter, and an Islamist who wants Sharia law for Arab Israelis and said the Paris attacks were justified due to gay rights and loose women.
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PawParole posted:Israel's new ruling government is a triumvirate of a Ultra-Nationalist far-rightist who wishes to create a Jewish Reich, a European-loving Neoliberal centrist fencesitter, and an Islamist who wants Sharia law for Arab Israelis and said the Paris attacks were justified due to gay rights and loose women. seems fine
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smarxist posted:seems fine Makes the Malaysian coalition look sane.
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Sara Roy's "Hamas and Civil Society in Gaza" came up as a book recommendation in the Marxism thread and I'd like to second it here. From Chapter 1: 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The whole concept of an "Israel" is stupid and unrealistic.
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https://twitter.com/bentreyf/status/1399986884424736769?s=20 The Wikipedia page for Ma'on has a whole section on "Settler violence". Good poo poo.
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