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On the Star Trek the Pod Directive podcast, Paul F. Tompkins said in one episode that he absolutely would love a low stake trek series. He said one of the things that pulled him into TNG when it aired was that it was a bunch of competent people excelling at their jobs and getting things done. So, he would be overjoyed to have a show that was just them doing scientific missions where nothing threatening happened, just the crew doing good work at the high standard that starfleet has.
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bull3964 posted:On the Star Trek the Pod Directive podcast, Paul F. Tompkins said in one episode that he absolutely would love a low stake trek series. Yeah. I know it probably wouldn't actually make a great TV show but I dunno. I love character above everything else. I don't really care about plot very much (which is why I can forgive Discovery so much but can't forgive their use of Georgiou in season 3). Just show me the people doing the things. All my favourite Trek scenes are nothing little character moments. Like Weyoun idly gossiping to Damar about how the Breen homeworld *isn't* cold so what are their fashion choices about. Or Quark drunkenly telling the other conspirators, "I don't LIKE Cardassians. They're *mean*." That kinda thing. I dunno, I'm rambling. I just want more good character stuff.
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Jun 4, 2021 18:30
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This is why 20 episodes a season was a good thing. It gave the creators time to do character stuff like that. And frankly any argument about it leading to a lot of garbage episodes doesn't hold water because the modern 10 episode seasons aren't exactly 100% gold themselves.
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Jun 4, 2021 18:34
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8one6 posted:This is why 20 episodes a season was a good thing. It gave the creators time to do character stuff like that. Yeah, frankly I'd rather Discovery in particular had more space to breathe and figure out what it wants to be and where it wants to land. More than anything else that's a show that feels *confused*. And I say this as someone who genuinely likes it most of the time. I mean clearly from everything I say here I completely adore DS9, it's maybe my second favourite TV show of all time, but it took a while to find its feet and even in its final season it was still making big mistakes. They just didn't matter when compared with the good stuff.
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Jun 4, 2021 18:44
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I think Disco wants to be a nonstop-action-adventure show, whose DNA is very much in JJ Trek. Just pure rollercoaster melodrama all the way. There’s really no room for the quieter thoughtfulness television Trek became known for, and their attempts at adding some token elements of that come off as...not great. This is kinda why I suspect SNW actually became a thing. Pike proved extremely popular, and the calls for old school episodic Trek were pretty loud. I might eternally be damned to have Lucy pull the football away from me, but I still have some hope that show will actually be good.
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Jun 4, 2021 19:01
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Trek is meant to be comedy. Too much modern trek is in denial about that.
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Jun 4, 2021 19:12
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Brawnfire posted:Trek is meant to be comedy. Too much modern trek is in denial about that. 
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Jun 4, 2021 19:19
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Brawnfire posted:Trek is meant to be comedy. Too much modern trek is in denial about that. Really, it’s this.
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Jun 4, 2021 19:35
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There’s plenty of humor in Discovery, it’s one of the few things that’s been consistently good 
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Jun 4, 2021 20:07
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I would be down for a Disco season that has like 20 episodes and 4 max that deal with the plot of the season.
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Jun 4, 2021 20:09
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For arguably being the "darkest" Trek, DS9 has the most moments I can remember that legitimately made me laugh. Like that one scene where Quark and Rom are crawling around in the ducts and accidentally pop out in Sisko's office.
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Jun 4, 2021 20:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzhgEGeKcbo Odo's grin in this scene is funnier than anything in the actual star trek comedy show, change my mind
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Jun 4, 2021 20:14
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Everything about The Magnificent Ferengi could have been awful and is just wonderful top to bottom. Keevan's utter disgust right up until the last moment of his life is delightful. Iggy Pop is amazing too, so dry and exasperated.
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Jun 4, 2021 20:14
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Odo having a padd of all the security fuckups on the Enterprise just in case he had to own Worf was hilarious.
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Jun 4, 2021 20:20
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My six-year-old asked me when I bought the collector's box of Star Trek Micro Machines in my office, which as there's nothing from Voyager onwards in it prompted me to look up when Voyager finished. Last episode broadcast May 2001. TWENTY YEARS AGO. 
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Jun 4, 2021 23:15
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Weirdly enough, Voyager is so entrenched in my brain as a “90s show” that it’s odd to remember it overlapped into the early 2000s.
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Jun 4, 2021 23:22
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HD DAD posted:Weirdly enough, Voyager is so entrenched in my brain as a “90s show” that it’s odd to remember it overlapped into the early 2000s. It's utterly bizarre to me to realize that Star Trek IV was just a year before S1 TNG. Or that like Star Trek VI was S5 of TNG. They seem decades apart. Of course all of those same sets from TMP got used and reused until what, like S4 of ENT?
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Jun 4, 2021 23:32
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Brawnfire posted:Trek is meant to be comedy. Too much modern trek is in denial about that. It's not a comedy show but I think it does need comedic moments and the occasional lighthearted goofy episode.
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Jun 5, 2021 00:19
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Brawnfire posted:Trek is meant to be comedy. Too much modern trek is in denial about that. TOS is a horror show with out of place quips thrown in.
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Jun 5, 2021 00:45
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thotsky posted:TOS is a horror show with out of place quips thrown in. Maybe my memory's off since I haven't watched TOS in decades, but a lot of episodes end on a joke with either Kirk looking wryly bemused while the 'playful flighty' music plays, or the bridge crew laughing while Spock looks perplexed.
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Jun 5, 2021 00:51
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Big Mean Jerk posted:There’s plenty of humor in Discovery, it’s one of the few things that’s been consistently good at it, not with it
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Jun 5, 2021 00:57
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Brawnfire posted:Trek is meant to be comedy. Too much modern trek is in denial about that. Comedy episodes never really clicked for me, in any of the series. In pretty much every case it ends up breaking the reality the show had created, because these comedic moments were always too farfetched to feel like it could ever happen in the setting that's been established. I also generally don't find it that funny which doesn't help. There are exceptions of course: Worf smashing Geordie's lute; the Magnificent Ferengi blasting Quark's mom during their training simulation, but those moments are few and far between. For me, of course. No judgement for what other people enjoy.
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Jun 5, 2021 00:58
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McSpanky posted:at it, not with it Yeah, uh, if they were trying for comedy, oh boy. That is a whole another set of not working. The only one that is even funny on Discovery is the part time comedian who barely shows up most episodes I don't even remember her name:  I mean if she was more of a regular character...? The biggest problem i've seen with discovery is that the characters are almost designed to make you not care about them, or to evolve until they are no longer interesting, and then Micheal to step in their place or overshadow what they did.
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Jun 5, 2021 01:02
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thotsky posted:TOS is a horror show with out of place quips thrown in. TOS is a much broader concept than that. It has horror episodes for sure, but also comedies, tragedies, thrillers, pure high-concept sci fi, military dramas, action-adventure type stuff, and episodes where nobody had any idea what they were doing and just threw some script pages together and filmed them. And yeah, most of them involve quips because people like shows that are fun instead of everyone just moping around super seriously on their made up space boat
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Jun 5, 2021 01:08
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Jett Reno owns and she'd have been good on other Treks too.
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Jun 5, 2021 01:31
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As far as I can tell, the Disco producers would love to have Tig Notaro full time, but she wants the freedom to pop in and out as she pleases.
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Jun 5, 2021 01:57
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That's what I got from the podcast with her. She enjoys it as a side gig she does occasionally but has no interest in being a full time cast member.
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Jun 5, 2021 02:00
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In The Cards is one of the best DS9 episodes
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Jun 5, 2021 02:04
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HD DAD posted:As far as I can tell, the Disco producers would love to have Tig Notaro full time, but she wants the freedom to pop in and out as she pleases. It would be hilarious if she actually did jnno the show too. "Where the gently caress have you been?" "Jefferies tubes." [Shot of Reno kicking back in a secret conduit terminal, sipping from her homebrew]
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Jun 5, 2021 03:38
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jeeves posted:They seem decades apart. Of course all of those same sets from TMP got used and reused until what, like S4 of ENT? Stage 9 hung on for a really, really loving long time.
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Jun 5, 2021 03:43
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Timby posted:Stage 9 hung on for a really, really loving long time. I love that the number one thing about Trek is its frugalness of its franchise amirite
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Jun 5, 2021 04:30
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I think it was when they were tearing down the Voyager sets that they found pencil markings on the wood framing from the 70s or something nuts like that.
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Jun 5, 2021 04:34
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Brawnfire posted:Trek is meant to be comedy. Too much modern trek is in denial about that. Nah. Other than Lower Decks, there's really isn't a Star Trek series that leaned heavily on comedy in any real way. Something like Stargate SG-1 or Farscape are way better examples of sci-fi shows that only take themselves seriously enough to maintain their premise, and the difference is really stark compared to any Star Trek series. The big thing with Star Trek is that every series is really obviously a product of its time. That's why TOS has so many weird slide whistle endings, and why the shows seem to get progressively more dour and humorless. Modern prestige TV sucks at humor more often than not, and that's exactly what Trek is trying to be right now.
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Jun 5, 2021 04:41
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I get a chuckle out of imagining a modern Navy XO going down to the officer's club and performing passacaglias on a krumhorn while the other crew just roll their eyes and drink their Military Special.
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Buttchocks posted:I get a chuckle out of imagining a modern Navy XO going down to the officer's club and performing passacaglias on a krumhorn while the other crew just roll their eyes and drink their Military Special. Where's my episode where some lowly overworked Lt-JG from Astrometrics at the end of a lovely day (like the dude who Picard was at the end of Tapestry) just takes a run at Riker and spears him into the windows at Ten Forward because he's just loving had it and Commander Satchmo here busting out the trombone was just the last straw.
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Jun 5, 2021 08:13
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Khanstant posted:Tell us anyway, I looked up the wikipedia and I gained no lesson about immortality. Iain M Banks posted:“I am very ready to die, Cr. Ziller.” Ilom Dolince smiled. “I’ve lived four hundred and fifteen years, sir. I’ve seen People in the Culture can be physically or functionally immortal - either by constantly rejuvenating themselves, or by mind upload. But for one reason or another the average age of death ends up being 400 years or so. Also, "revive a copy of me so I can have mad orgies if we win the Superbowl" is possibly the most Culture thing I can think of.
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bull3964 posted:On the Star Trek the Pod Directive podcast, Paul F. Tompkins said in one episode that he absolutely would love a low stake trek series. One of the episodes of TNG I really liked is when Picard starts dating that Lt or Lt. Cmdr, I don't recall, but it has the Enterprise dealing with a dangerous situation, but it's not a terribly strange or weird one. It's just a natural disaster and they're trying to find a way to help people but it showcased how dangerous Starfleet away missions could be and how these PhD holding scientists were also badasses who thought "well I guess I'm going to dig in during this firestorm".
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Jun 5, 2021 11:26
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That's a nice idea for the odd episode now and then, but an entire TV series with that premise would deservedly be cancelled after one season
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Jun 5, 2021 11:32
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I mean I think at this point brand is kind of carrying the franchise. Like both discovery and Picard have been messes production wise and they are still humming along fine
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Modern Trek will never be good until they hire Jeffrey Combs. It's a geas.
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