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euphronius posted:Dallas had a good offense and yet they're both very good players offensively
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Judakel posted:and yet they're both very good players offensively how do you figure? I get Luka but where is the evidence Steph was good at offense this year
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Jun 7, 2021 02:59
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euphronius posted:how do you figure? I get Luka but where is the evidence Steph was good at offense this year look back a couple of pages
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Jun 7, 2021 03:02
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so you are relying on plus minus ??
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Jun 7, 2021 03:02
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Steph Curry plus minus the past two years rosy Gobert for comparisons sake  edit Giannis  edit edit KL 
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Jun 7, 2021 03:06
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Elephanthead posted:in his defense, Cleveland it boggles my mind that the cleveland fanbase can't be happy for him in the way that minnesota fans are happy KG went and won a championship in boston. like, that organization was a rolling tire fire when they drafted lebron, they proceeded to surround him with absolute mediocrity, he pulled them to the finals in a way that i've never personally seen any player pull a bad team to the vicinity of a championship, then left because it was clear that the tire fire was only gonna get hotter the longer he stayed. he left and won his championship, then loving came back and got the city the only championship they have ever gotten, then left again because he saw that it was no less of a tire fire than it was when he left years before and he wants to win more. this legit isn't meant to be a defense of lebron, i mean to point out just how lovely cleveland is and no wonder free agents don't sign there. holy poo poo that is just a garbage fanbase that doesn't loving buy heat and lakers jerseys and wear them to the games to remind the organization every game just how hosed up they are holy poo poo
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Jun 7, 2021 03:09
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it is really cool how steph curry took his team to the proper 8 seed/play in tournament
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Jun 7, 2021 03:09
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as I said he’s MVP of the lottery for sure
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Jun 7, 2021 03:10
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euphronius posted:as I said he’s MVP of the lottery for sure And as i said, 24 wins
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Jun 7, 2021 03:13
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Azathoth posted:it boggles my mind that the cleveland fanbase can't be happy for him in the way that minnesota fans are happy KG went and won a championship in boston. like, that organization was a rolling tire fire when they drafted lebron, they proceeded to surround him with absolute mediocrity, he pulled them to the finals in a way that i've never personally seen any player pull a bad team to the vicinity of a championship, then left because it was clear that the tire fire was only gonna get hotter the longer he stayed. he left and won his championship, then loving came back and got the city the only championship they have ever gotten, then left again because he saw that it was no less of a tire fire than it was when he left years before and he wants to win more. lmao, no one in Cleveland hates lebron, he's a literal hero here
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Jun 7, 2021 03:14
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euphronius posted:Steph Curry plus minus the past two years wait what plus minus numbers are you even using lmao curry's plus-minus this year was +8.6 per basketball reference. you have to look at the "difference" section not the "on court" one https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/curryst01/on-off/2021 and you used his 2020 on court numbers which were from a sample of his five 2020 games
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Jun 7, 2021 03:41
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curry in 2019 with a full season: warriors outscore opponents by 13 with him on the court vs. -3 off. +16.2 total. compare that to the "difference" of gobert, greek freak, and leonard being on and off the court. greek makes almost no difference by comparison. gobert and leonard hold up pretty well though they have adjusted plus minus status like BPM on basketball reference and others for 538 and espn to translate them to "league average teams" since the bucks have the best all around team backing up greek freak out of those players, so the stats underrate him since they're good with him in or out of lineups
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Jun 7, 2021 03:48
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it would appear curry is the goat of this season, back to to you, posters
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Jun 7, 2021 03:54
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euphronius posted:how do you figure? I get Luka but where is the evidence Steph was good at offense this year I genuinely can't tell if you just don't "believe" in the generally accepted statistics or if you just straight up refuse to look at stats that don't confirm your priors or if you're just trolling
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Jun 7, 2021 04:15
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Judakel posted:it would appear curry is the goat of this season, back to to you, posters goat curry is delicious in any season
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Jun 7, 2021 04:43
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You all seem confused, even the progenitor of Basketball New Science. This is fine, even the Immortal Science needed Lenin and Mao to refine it. Let us quote Nietzsche: Nietzsche posted:My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (its will to power) and to thrust back all that resists its extension. But it continually encounters similar efforts on the part of other bodies and ends by coming to an arrangement ("union") with those of them that are sufficiently related to it: thus they then conspire together for power. And the process goes on Explained thus, let us extent the will to power to Steph Curry. Mr Curry is a truly transcendental scorer by the stats. His "True Shooting" (a naive name for an abstracted mathematical concept) is equivalent or better to those of the "dip-n-dunk" shooters of DeAndre Jordan and Rudy Gobert, but he shoots from far and with volume. This is true. However, does he extend the force of his scoring power AGAINST all which resists his extension (the opposing team, his lesser skilled teammates)? The answer is NO - resoundingly. He is unable to create union with his colleagues and allies, and unable to extend his power to DOMINATE the opposing team (play-in fake playoffs, QED) LUKA is of course the antithesis to Mr Curry, as he can extend his power to his allies and enemies - see his ability to elevate Tim Hardaway, Jr, a player so secondary that he cannot even be the first of his name. He his, however, unable to extend that power to DOMINATE his opponents into submission (a truly strong individual can exert their will to improve the whole team's defense, see the +/- posts if you need math and numbers for your STEM brain). Both SCORE, Mr Curry at higher rates and better efficiency, but one FORMS A UNION (no need to define why this is good) with his teammates, and NEITHER can truly extend their will to power to DOMINATE and subsume their foes (no ring this year) Hope this helps and we can get back to focusing on the phenomenology of The Look
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Telluric Whistler posted:You all seem confused, even the progenitor of Basketball New Science. This is fine, even the Immortal Science needed Lenin and Mao to refine it. Sorry, I can understand unless you explain this using Hegelian dialectics.
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Telluric Whistler posted:You all seem confused, even the progenitor of Basketball New Science. This is fine, even the Immortal Science needed Lenin and Mao to refine it. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V9O94UTDAJQ
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Jun 8, 2021 00:11
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Saw this on reddit and now I'm a huge Nets guy Love da Nets 
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Jun 8, 2021 00:12
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Vox Nihili posted:Saw this on reddit and now I'm a huge Nets guy Ok same Kyrie is my favorite player because Boston fans hate him
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Jun 8, 2021 00:17
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Vox Nihili posted:Saw this on reddit and now I'm a huge Nets guy Jesus Christ
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Jun 8, 2021 00:21
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Bucks are still playing. we are in hell world. We need a new front office christ
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Jun 8, 2021 00:23
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Judakel posted:it is really cool how steph curry took his team to the proper 8 seed/play in tournament Same but T.J. McConnell.
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Jun 8, 2021 00:24
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lol bucks guess I can go to bed on time tonight
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Jun 8, 2021 01:55
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I only pay attention to basketball in the playoffs What in the unholy gently caress happened in the offseason?  Why was this even allowed?
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Jun 8, 2021 02:12
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PostNouveau posted:I only pay attention to basketball in the playoffs They traded their entire frontcourt for Harden, then got Blake cheap in the middle of the season when the Pistons bought him out of his contract.
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Jun 8, 2021 02:25
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PostNouveau posted:I only pay attention to basketball in the playoffs to be fair the masterclass of dogging it and playing badly on purpose that Blake was running In Detroit was actually hard to catch because of his injuries and he was pretty convincingly washed
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Jun 8, 2021 02:27
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Vox Nihili posted:Saw this on reddit and now I'm a huge Nets guy 100% this post cursed the Bucks cuz they're playing like God hates them
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Jun 8, 2021 02:39
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durant is essentially a poster and has fun trolling
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Jun 8, 2021 02:51
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Asproigerosis posted:The raptors won a title wtf? the true power of Friendship Ball revealed
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Jun 8, 2021 03:01
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PostNouveau posted:I only pay attention to basketball in the playoffs to be fair boston helped them by trading kyrie. i thought the bucks had a shot but jesus christ they're getting stomped with harden out
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Jun 8, 2021 03:04
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Dreylad posted:the true power of Friendship Ball revealed more like Fredship ball
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Dreylad posted:masai ujiri is the greatest toronto raptor of all time
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Yossarian-22 posted:wait what plus minus numbers are you even using lmao euphronius stats are beyond time and space
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Jun 8, 2021 16:17
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Dreylad posted:to be fair boston helped them by trading kyrie. kyrie was a free agent do you mean Houston and harden?
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Jun 8, 2021 16:42
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Squinky v2.0 posted:kyrie was a free agent no I completely forgot and thought they had traded kyrie, whoops
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Yossarian-22 posted:wait what plus minus numbers are you even using lmao He was a +4 on court this season (last season). Those numbers are bunk tho I dont use them. I only brought them up because other people did. Plus minus is fimrly a Steph Curry Brain Disease stat. Do you know what number inst bunk? ORTG. its especially good for determining who is good on offense. Steph curry only had a 119 orating. Christ paul was 124. That is 5 points better. (christ paul is a better offensive player.). Jokic was 130. STEPH CURRY WAS NOT IN THE TOP 20 FOR ORTG Hes a fine role player. Hes is not good at leading your team. Your team will have a bad offense if Curry leads it. FACT. you can't deny this
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Jun 8, 2021 16:51
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Win shares are stupid you can't share a win! That's like downloading a car. Illegal and immoral
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Jun 8, 2021 16:56
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Telluric Whistler posted:Win shares are stupid you can't share a win! That's like downloading a car. Illegal and immoral the "win share" stat that is fake and used by old people and ESPN is fake and dumb yes. We could have a better share of wins stat. How about this, The amount of wins that Steph curry had a share in was 39. which was good for (checks standings) the lottery. MVP of the lottery
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new win share stat: the number of games you play in that your team wins. New new stat: net wins. The number of games you play in that your team wins - the number of games your team loses. Steph Curry would be a .... plus 5 net win shares. Rudy gobert would be plus 32. But lets compare Curry to a point guard to be fair. Christ paul is net plus 30 win shares. Jokic was net plus 22.
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