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I said that poorly too. the Signal guy definitely could have received the stolen package and, in good faith, posted all of that. he could be a really nice and well-intentioned guy in all of this, i think there’s scope for it. the capture of the means for technology occurs at a much higher level, is what I wanted to point out
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Josh Christ posted:i sort of have to hang on to the hope that maybe there's a decent person out there trying to do something good or else its just full black pill I feel u and I def was too critical, that’s why I wanted to clarify that this totally can still be good. I think a lot of people are growing aware of the issues with bigger institutions hovering over and gatekeeping tech, esp mass tech, and can change how they think of solutions or the channels solutions “must” take regarding funding and legitimation. the signal guy handing out masks to interfere with facial recognition, for example, is deeply good imo
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Bust Rodd posted:you know what’s really funny? 👁️
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That is a hell of a coincidence. :\
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Bust Rodd posted:correct there was never any proof that NK had anything to do with it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1tyybVuSBU
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I can't remember if Zika being used to cover-up birth deformities tied to pesticide overuse in Brazil has been posted about in here yet, but I thought I'd effort post a little because I think it is a really interesting case study to look at the consolidation of mainstream opinion via academia when the conclusions are prematurely accepted as fact. Really brief literature backgrounder This is probably too short of a scientific summary, but my goal is to convince you that insecticide use is relevant in trying to understand the Zika microcephaly outbreak. The history of the literature is very push-pull, with I believe the biggest paper implicating the pesticide pyriproxyfen in microcephaly around the Brazilian Zika locus being https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5760164/ Parens et al. in the abstract posted:Pyriproxifen is a juvenile hormone analog which has been shown to correspond in mammals to a number of fat soluble regulatory molecules including retinoic acid, a metabolite of vitamin A, with which it has cross-reactivity and whose application during development has been shown to cause microcephaly. Methoprene, another juvenile hormone analog that was approved as an insecticide based upon tests performed in the 1970s, has metabolites that bind to the mammalian retinoid X receptor, and has been shown to cause developmental disorders in mammals. Isotretinoin is another example of a retinoid causing microcephaly in human babies via maternal exposure and activation of the retinoid X receptor in developing fetuses. Moreover, tests of pyriproxyfen by the manufacturer, Sumitomo, widely quoted as giving no evidence for developmental toxicity, actually found some evidence for such an effect, including low brain mass and arhinencephaly—incomplete formation of the anterior cerebral hemispheres—in exposed rat pups. Finally, the pyriproxyfen use in Brazil is unprecedented—it has never before been applied to a water supply on such a scale. Claims that it is not being used in Recife, the epicenter of microcephaly cases, do not distinguish the metropolitan area of Recife, where it is widely used, and the municipality, and have not been adequately confirmed. imo, the highest impact paper since this argument is by a CDC research team and published in the Lancet Child and Adolescent Health, which argues only Zika infections (some presumed based on self-report or zika-like symptoms along pregnancy) explain microcephaly in the same region https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(18)30020-8/fulltext#tbl4 My biggest critique of this insistence that Zika alone explains the birth deformities (aside from the critiques in the abstract section I posted above) is that the CDC study relies on self-report regarding "toxin exposure". I assume most people would not know if they were exposed, but maybe that's just me! Krow-Lucal et al. posted:Mothers of both cases and controls were asked about their demographics, pregnancy, potential exposures, and illnesses during pregnancy. Potential exposures inquired about included medications, toxins (eg, pesticides), water and fish consumption, and smoking and alcohol use. Last year, a paper was submitted to BioRxiv with an interesting take that ignores the either-or of the history of this literature. Now keep in mind bioRxiv is a pre-print site, so these papers are publicly accessible while they are submitted to peer-reviewed journals. As such, this specific form of the paper has not been peer-reviewed and won't have been until it appears in whatever journal publishes it with review modifications. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.03.366468v1.abstract Spirhanzlova et al. posted:North-Eastern Brazil saw intensive application of the insecticide pyriproxyfen (PPF) during the microcephaly outbreak caused by Zika virus (ZIKV)....Being a suspected TH [thyroid hormone] disruptor, we hypothesized that co-exposure to the main metabolite of PPF, 4’-OH-PPF, would exacerbate ZIKV effects through increased MSI1 [Musashi-1] expression...In mouse-derived neurospheres the metabolite reduced neuroprogenitor proliferation as well as markers of neuronal differentiation. The results demonstrated that 4’-OH-PPF significantly induced MSI1 at both the mRNA and protein level...intracellular RNA content of neuroprogenitors was significantly decreased in the combined presence of the PPF metabolite and ZIKV. We conclude that 4’-OH-PPF interferes with TH action in vivo and in vitro, inhibiting neuroprogenitor proliferation. In the presence of ZIKV, TH signaling pathways crucial for cortical development are significantly impacted. This provides another example of viral effects that are exacerbated by drug or pesticide use. This study is limited by using artificial mouse neurospheres (balls of the progenitors to brain cells in dishes) and transgenic tadpoles, but imo it is pretty smart to look at synergism between the two biggest factors purported to have caused Zika, especially when the earlier two studies I mentioned above are designed to really only isolate the single "most" important factor at the detriment of their ability to test alternatives. But, I guess we will see if these conclusions change by publication. The Messaging That's some of the major science up to the present behind the Zika outbreak. I wanted to try and be fair with presenting it to mainly underline that PPF is still highly relevant to the conversation. With meaningful evidence of PPF involvement, let us now, for fun, look backwards to earlier/concurrent papers that sought to discount toxin involvement without question. Often, PPF is discounted by adding it to a list of easily discounted conspiracy terms, so it is interesting to see how these statements hold up with growing evidence of PPF effects on brain development. Zika vaccine misconceptions: A social media analysis (2016) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5065070/ Dredze et al., 2016 posted:...Uncertainty regarding the origin, transmission and health consequences of the Zika virus has created a fertile environment for conspiracy theories and pseudo-scientific claims. These theories emerged in social media, an active forum for the vaccine refusal community [2], and have made their way to the mainstream media (e.g. “Brazil State Bans Pesticide After Zika Claim” in The Wall Street Journal).... Zika virus pandemic-analysis of Facebook as a social media health information platform (2017) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27776823/ Sharma et al. posted:...The top-200 posts were selected for analysis by 2 independent physician reviewers. These posts were classified as relevant information/news or misleading information. The classification was based on the quality of scientific information, emphasis on prevention, and citation of credible sources.... Conspiracy Theories and the Zika Epidemic (2018) https://pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/is_fac/21/ Shawn Smallman posted:...The personal/public narratives put forth through social media typically blame the virus’s outbreak and the ensuing appearance of birth defects upon a diverse array of actors: Bill Gates, Oxitec, the Rockefeller Foundation, Genetically Modified Organisms (GMOs), Monsanto, the Eugenics Movement, pharmaceutical companies, the World Health Organization, transnational companies,and theDTaP vaccine... Propagating and Debunking Conspiracy Theories on Twitter During the 2015–2016 Zika Virus Outbreak (2018) https://www.liebertpub.com/doi/full/10.1089/cyber.2017.0669 Michael J. Wood posted:...Rumors are a consistent feature of social life. As a sense-making process, they can reduce anxiety and uncertainty, and help people to come to grips with unfamiliar situations.1 Of course, this comes at a cost—some rumors are nothing more than gossip, some may be co-opted for propaganda purposes, and many others are simply wrong... I think this is a good example, also, of how academics who even believe they are doing the right thing and good work compromise themselves by not questioning the basis of their study, particularly when it comes to "classifying" these messages as true or false and then doing all your analysis from there.
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nut posted:Zika being used to cover-up birth deformities tied to pesticide overuse in Brazil 
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nut posted:lol sorry I was more just referring to them coming into it by any means, not having to buy the "truck drop" story. As I mentioned before, I am too ignorant to have a meaningful opinion on tech, but I don't have meaningful faith in pretty much any tech that has to be constructed via governmental and corporate channels. Like AoB just said, throughout society, institutions of power have the critical hand in constructing both a good guy and bad guy narrative that act like magnets to suck up all the opinions and people around them. Seemingly little can exist let alone succeed outside of it. https://twitter.com/Logo_Daedalus/status/1389668435773243393 
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lol i thought of u when i very specifically isolated just the first tweet for interpretation
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Tubgoat posted:That is a hell of a coincidence. :\ it’s a fuckin absolute coincidence. some guy wrote a kinda nasty story that didn’t really matter 5 years ago. then he died. why would anyone jump to KKKILLED BY THE KKKLINTONS ?
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Tubgoat posted:That is a hell of a coincidence. :\ Mental health is so important.
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LibCrusher posted:it’s a fuckin absolute coincidence. some guy wrote a kinda nasty story that didn’t really matter 5 years ago. then he died. why would anyone jump to KKKILLED BY THE KKKLINTONS ? lol. lmao
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fukken crushed, lib
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LibCrusher posted:it’s a fuckin absolute coincidence. some guy wrote a kinda nasty story that didn’t really matter 5 years ago. then he died. why would anyone jump to KKKILLED BY THE KKKLINTONS ? I love giving the clintons the benefit of the doubt
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sexpig by night posted:I love giving the clintons the benefit of the doubt He was obviously just saying that it couldnt have been the clintons when it was so clearly the hollow earth nazis cleaning up loose ends of a failed infiltration project, you know something much more reasonable than giving the woman who took her husband back because he bombed Yugoslavia the benefit of the doubt.
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clinton is a brand thats had, what, billions invested in it? like cmon friend it does not have to be hillary plotting by candle light to hire an assassin its loving business. MADDONE!
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how glorious to be kkkillary'ed... the honor, the ecstasy
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tbh the one reason I'd ever be a journalist was because it'd own to look up one day and see some fuckin Clinton Foundation pedophile aiming a gun at my head. It's one of the rare times when your last words can be 'lol sweet'.
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sexpig by night posted:tbh the one reason I'd ever be a journalist was because it'd own to look up one day and see some fuckin Clinton Foundation pedophile aiming a gun at my head. It's one of the rare times when your last words can be 'lol sweet'. You misunderstand, the deceased are simply the unworthy, each hit issued is not an act of aggression but rather an invitation. Those that fail to meet the call consumed in the process, so much coal to further refine the steel of another, those that meet their assassin and claim their blade are not hunted, on the contrary they are celebrated and are in turn given their own coal to fuel their refinement.
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Ace of Baes posted:the limited hangout narratives and exposures, like bill Clinton's neighbors Netflix doc, are designed to be ran alongside the q/re disinfo to create two parallel narratives along partisan lines while also creating enough signifiers to ensure anyone trying to create an actual account of even the basics will be dismissed by either kind of partisan Nailed it. Broad strokes, QAnon was right: there are circles of elites who at the very least incorporate pedophilia into their parties and get togethers, and there is a military industrial complex "deep state" that is separate from the visible levers of power in the US and world. The details were pure right wing distraction to make people who talk about the actual facts seem like loons. That's a big reason why I think QAnon was an op, even if not from the start. This also happens in the UFO community. There are literal unidentified objects flying in the sky. Hell, I was a member of a group sighting of a big one on a 6th grade field trip. There is good, solid research being done by dedicated, hard working people, like Richard Dolan and Stan Friedman, RIP. Then you get the guys ranting about space Jews and nazi space bases in Antarctica making any legit research look crazy by association.
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OutOfPrint posted:dedicated, hard working people, like Richard Dolan and Stan Friedman, RIP. oh no 
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nut posted:I can't remember if Zika being used to cover-up birth deformities tied to pesticide overuse in Brazil Incredible post in the best thread on the internet
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Pull up, pull up!
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LibCrusher posted:it’s a fuckin absolute coincidence. some guy wrote a kinda nasty story that didn’t really matter 5 years ago. then he died. why would anyone jump to KKKILLED BY THE KKKLINTONS ? he embarassed her, insulted her family, and wrote one of the many stories throughout american media that have made america hate the Clinton family, which is enough the clinton death list absolutely has some coincidences on it, but how many coincidences does somebody gotta have before you admit it's getting suspicious? the purpose of killing these people is very obvious: to keep people talking about it. to make sure people are aware that being on the wrong side of the Clintons is dangerous, and to show how obvious they can be about it. The Clintons want America to know that they are The Ruling Class, even if Hillary doesn't get Her Turn. Mirthless has issued a correction as of 21:22 on Jun 13, 2021 |
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They are (and were) dedicated and hard working, and neither of them fall into the anti-semite hole and both are at least not knowingly compromised. If you're looking for detailed, comprehensive research into UFO sightings, there are far worse sources. Once they get outside of that research and into their ideas, though, yeah, that's where they get nutty. Unless I missed something and one or both if them are pedophiles, in which case, yeah, just ignore everything I wrote about them.
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OutOfPrint posted:Nailed it. Broad strokes, QAnon was right: there are circles of elites who at the very least incorporate pedophilia into their parties and get togethers, and there is a military industrial complex "deep state" that is separate from the visible levers of power in the US and world. The details were pure right wing distraction to make people who talk about the actual facts seem like loons. That's a big reason why I think QAnon was an op, even if not from the start. Right in principle, wrong on detail
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OutOfPrint posted:They are (and were) dedicated and hard working, and neither of them fall into the anti-semite hole and both are at least not knowingly compromised. If you're looking for detailed, comprehensive research into UFO sightings, there are far worse sources. i dont have a ton of argument with what youve said here so theres no reason to go cracking eggs but if you want to come over to the ufo thread where its more relevant
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The Saucer Hovers posted:i dont have a ton of argument with what youve said here so theres no reason to go cracking eggs but if you want to come over to the ufo thread where its more relevant For me it's that Stanton defended the MJ12 papers until his dying day despite all the circumstantial evidence. Some real engineer brain imo.
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tithin posted:Right in principle, wrong on detail The entire project of the right is blaming all the ills of modernity on people not wanting to be peasants so deciding that the horrific abuses of power that characterize the dictatorship of the bourgeois are actually just the fault of the people marginally less reactionary than them is perfectly in character
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gradenko_2000 posted:Okay, this is going to be a little scattershot, because "Nixon's removal was a deep state coup" has been rolling around in my head for a while, but there's no way to talk about it except to talk about it, so here it goes. Thank you for this effort post
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Cached Money posted:I know the concept of end to end encryption is hard to understand but try to understand that it is way easier to hack someone's phone than it is to break the encryption itself
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So uh what https://twitter.com/politicalwilli/...ingawful.com%2F
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agents provocateurs are the bread-and-butter of counter-intelligence work against establishment-hostile, yet peaceful, protests. this twitter thread isn't enough for me to say anything with certainty but it certainly wouldn't be the first nor the last time https://theintercept.com/2020/06/02/history-united-states-government-infiltration-protests/
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my favorite historical example was that in Russia the head of the socialist-revolutionary assassination squads was a paid agent for the secret police.
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StashAugustine posted:my favorite historical example was that in Russia the head of the socialist-revolutionary assassination squads was a paid agent for the secret police. I think that was more of his own personal motivation and desire than it was an elaborate strategy, it just worked well because obviously he had a ton of street cred with the other revolutionaries which was very valuable to the tsar relative to the random ministers, cops, and military officers that he was killing/having killed.
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