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Syrnn posted:This was my feeling too. While I love the idea of a Meat Brig, Voyager makes it pretty clear with the way they talk to the Kazon about replicators conjuring water "out of thin air"; or that two Ferengi with a shuttle-craft replicator could hold a planet hostage if they had to rely on a limited supply of glorified 3D printing goop instead of energy-matter conversion. While I'd say perhaps the intention was that you can just throw random garbage and turds into the tank and replicate out delicious caviar and luxury goods, we are talking about Voyager, so: Probably not
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FlamingLiberal posted:Of all the things to separate, nacelles seem like the dumbest possible idea They are connected by fish line friend, can't break that stuff.
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thotsky posted:There is some mention of certain materials taking more energy to replicate than others, and some being impossible to replicate due to complexity, which could explain latinum, but no canon source says anything on whether or not latinum can be replicated. That's another possible explanation for why people don't just replicate a bunch of latinum and get rich: it might be possible but require too much energy to be worth it. Like if you had a machine that could create an ounce of silver (worth $25-ish) out of thin air, but it had to use up 47 bucks' worth of electricity to do it.
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Powered Descent posted:That's another possible explanation for why people don't just replicate a bunch of latinum and get rich: it might be possible but require too much energy to be worth it. Like if you had a machine that could create an ounce of silver (worth $25-ish) out of thin air, but it had to use up 47 bucks' worth of electricity to do it. then you'd just steal electricity to do it, duh
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The actual thing that really had me wondering about currency was Bashir laying down physical latinum on the dabo wheel. Where did he get that
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I like to picture running along a street, jacking into electric car chargeports. "Come on, come on" I mutter, as the machine groans, putting out another small ingot of silver. "Hurry the gently caress up!" The sound of drones come closer. I curse, hitching my Alchematic device under my armpit and taking off for the next outlet.
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Bullbar posted:The actual thing that really had me wondering about currency was Bashir laying down physical latinum on the dabo wheel. Where did he get that Credits4Latinum dot quark
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:One thing to keep in mind is that even if there's still unpleasant or tedious jobs, it doesn't necessarily mean that people still have to spend 40+ hours a week doing those jobs. How many jobs would be more palatable if you only had to do them for a couple days a week? A corner apartment in the hottest residential tower in Paris is a limited commodity. And somebody has to do the sanitation work. A couple of shifts a week somewhere smelly supervising the robots is the price you pay for the apartment.
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Bullbar posted:The actual thing that really had me wondering about currency was Bashir laying down physical latinum on the dabo wheel. Where did he get that Are you a malnourished former bajoran slave? Are you a WARRIOR needing surgery for his second spleen? Come to Bashir's Starfleet clinic where we have 0 paid expenses and transfer those savings onto you. Payment accepted in gold pressed latium only.
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Got it from his Cardassian boyfriend of course
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HopperUK posted:Got it from his Cardassian boyfriend of course That's just his tailor. Almost done with ds9 season one, just finished Dramatis Personae. Every episode that's just "wacky space bullshit, chaos ensues" rules, the cast is fantastic and I love watching them play off each other.
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Brawnfire posted:I like to picture running along a street, jacking into electric car chargeports. "Come on, come on" I mutter, as the machine groans, putting out another small ingot of silver. "Hurry the gently caress up!" The sound of drones come closer. I curse, hitching my Alchematic device under my armpit and taking off for the next outlet. Not gonna lie, I'd keep reading this story.
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Are they still doing that evil trek show about section 31? I just figure there's a planet or asteroid belt dripping with huge oceans of latinum and Section 31 has to hide it to preserve the ferengi capitalism for whatever necessary-evil contrivance.
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Josh Christ posted:That's just his tailor. I'm so jealous of folk watching DS9 through for the first time, or the first time in a while. It's so good.
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Khanstant posted:Are they still doing that evil trek show about section 31? I just figure there's a planet or asteroid belt dripping with huge oceans of latinum and Section 31 has to hide it to preserve the ferengi capitalism for whatever necessary-evil contrivance.
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You'd love to be able to tell people you killed a jem'hadar with a photon torpedo
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Bullbar posted:Shrunken runabout is pretty cool It's such a cheesy premise but it's played totally straight. I do like that they actually deal with some of the physical ramifications like "hey we'd literally suffocate because we can't breathe oxygen molecules that are 100 times bigger now". Also it's worth it for Worf's terrible poem.
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mllaneza posted:A corner apartment in the hottest residential tower in Paris is a limited commodity. And somebody has to do the sanitation work. A couple of shifts a week somewhere smelly supervising the robots is the price you pay for the apartment. All you're doing here is falling back on some form of wage-earning.
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BonHair posted:The main problem is how they get people to peel onions and potatoes and other sucky parts of cooking. They can't have an infinite supply of grandchildren on vacation. I always thought those jobs are really nothing more than apprenticeships, and without the 'do this job or go die in a gutter' of our world. If you don't like it for the however few hours a week you decide to, you can gently caress off no problem. Plenty of people may go "you know, i might like to be a chef, run a restaurant", but one of the limited things is still land and locations. If its collective for humanity, who is the local council going to give a great location to, the guy who wants to on a whim who doesn't know what he's doing and hosed off, or the guy that busted his butt learning how the trade works? I kind of thought this would explain the picard vinyard too. As long as the picard family is happy to keep working it and producing a heritage product like french wine, its useful for them to keep running it, but if say picard wanted to salt the fields, put up a fence, and tell people to leave, the local council might go "yeaaaah we're giving management of this historical vinyard to someone who wants to actually run one."
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Syrnn posted:This was my feeling too. While I love the idea of a Meat Brig, Voyager makes it pretty clear with the way they talk to the Kazon about replicators conjuring water "out of thin air"; or that two Ferengi with a shuttle-craft replicator could hold a planet hostage if they had to rely on a limited supply of glorified 3D printing goop instead of energy-matter conversion. The Kazon are pretty dumb and you're always gonna be talking down to them. My understanding of the latter was that it's never an issue because replicators can dereplicate easily, so topping it up isn't a problem, especially for just making common stuff, as long as you have the power for it (which Voyager didn't always). The goop meat tanks mentioned in the TNG tech manual are said to be matter held in a form that basically averages out to being the most energy efficient for reassembly back into food and common items, but that's more about efficiency than necessity. The idea has always been that it used the same tech as transporters, but transporters don't spontaneously generate matter out of energy (let's not go there on the one example of Tom Riker), they just stream matter in an energy state. The atom that's reassembled on the other end is the same one that's beamed up via the oft-mentioned Matter Stream. The idea with replicators is that they do the same, beaming matter from the element tanks into food form. It might even be that the backend of the replicator systems on a starship are capable of synthesising rare elements via nucleosynthesis which are then sourced into the replicator beam, as a much more energy intensive two-stage process, and that's just covered under the general umbrella of 'replicators'. Cycling things back into the replicators is actually mentioned fairly often IIRC. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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MikeJF posted:The idea has always been that it used the same tech as transporters, but transporters don't spontaneously generate matter out of energy (let's not go there on the one example of Tom Riker), Tom Riker gets a lot easier all around if you just make the
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Wait so the Kelvin blowing up made Sulu gay? That's a hell of a butterfly effect. I thought it was recognized that Nero's incursion rippled backwards and forwards from when he actually traveled back.
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V-Men posted:I thought it was recognized that Nero's incursion rippled backwards and forwards from when he actually traveled back. That's what Simon Pegg said.
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Khanstant posted:Are they still doing that evil trek show about section 31? I just figure there's a planet or asteroid belt dripping with huge oceans of latinum and Section 31 has to hide it to preserve the ferengi capitalism for whatever necessary-evil contrivance. It's on hold because there are four other Trek shows in production, maybe it'll get picked up when one of them gets cancelled/ends. EDIT: Wait, FIVE other shows actually. Discovery, Picard, Strange New Worlds, Lower Decks & Prodigy.
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Janeway is my favourite captain because of episodes like "Drone." If only she had the same compassion with... well you know, we don't gotta get into him rn. Janeway was totally down to let the surprise borg baby grow, Picard and Sisko would've gone straight for the aborgtion. One is a great unexpected character, and like all unique unexpected characters on Voyager... he was prematurely doomed. but the sweet borgy moments between One and Seven were fantastic. "You must comply. Please. You are hurting me"  "You will adapt."He's also the only one to really do anything with the crazy 29th century holo-emitter tech the Doctor uses. I forgot it was future tech even. Sometimes they jam it in a random device to use as a battery but it's kind of weird they didn't reverse-engineer anything for Voyager from it.
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Khanstant posted:Janeway is my favourite captain because of episodes like "Drone." If only she had the same compassion with... well you know, we don't gotta get into him rn. Janeway was totally down to let the surprise borg baby grow, Picard and Sisko would've gone straight for the aborgtion. PIcard refused to upload the paradox pattern to Hugh to cause a collapse of the Borg hive mind. He's not down with killing Borg babies.
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Veotax posted:It's on hold because there are four other Trek shows in production, maybe it'll get picked up when one of them gets cancelled/ends. It wouldn’t surprise me if Section 31 just kind of quietly never got made because no one really wants it, and Michelle Yeoh has a feature film career she probably really wants to get back to. That said, Picard is probably going to be the one that wraps up first of the current slate of Trek shows because they probably don’t want to roll the dice on Patrick Stewart’s health past a three season commitment. So who knows, maybe we will get S-31 sooner than we think? nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Jun 15, 2021 |
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Section 31 really strikes me as an impulse “oh poo poo we can actually make spin-offs outta this” decision before anyone in the room stopped to consider a) whether anyone actually wanted it or b) when they’d actually be able to juggle actor schedules to make it happen. So yeah, now that Disco is running steady and they’ve got four other shows in various stages of actual production, there’s no reason at all to keep pushing for S31. It’ll probably end up like the Khan miniseries Nick Myers wrote three years ago; outlined and stuck on a shelf indefinitely.
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Khanstant posted:Janeway is my favourite captain because of episodes like "Drone." If only she had the same compassion with... well you know, we don't gotta get into him rn. Janeway was totally down to let the surprise borg baby grow, Picard and Sisko would've gone straight for the aborgtion. To me, that episode read like weird and out of place pro-life stuff. Their reaction just makes no sense in any other context; it's a Borg incursion, and when they discover it no more than a clump of cells. Abort it.
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V-Men posted:I thought it was recognized that Nero's incursion rippled backwards and forwards from when he actually traveled back. This was a deeply unsatisfying answer in Flashpoint and it remains so here.
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I think it makes sense with the amount of time travel in the Prime timeline; Nero shows up in the 23rd century and disrupts things enough that now Kirk never goes back to save the whales, and Cochrane never learns about the Borg, and the Temporal Cold War plays out completely differently, so a whole bunch of stuff changes even though it had already happened by the time Nero originally arrived.
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thotsky posted:To me, that episode read like weird and out of place pro-life stuff. Their reaction just makes no sense in any other context; it's a Borg incursion, and when they discover it no more than a clump of cells. Abort it. Naw, the Borg should be our friends. Can't make friends with someone you're killing or aborting all the time. Resistance is futile, cooperation is the only path to progress.
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My son is also named Borg
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Khanstant posted:Janeway is my favourite captain because of episodes like "Drone." If only she had the same compassion with... well you know, we don't gotta get into him rn. Janeway was totally down to let the surprise borg baby grow, Picard and Sisko would've gone straight for the aborgtion. Voyager basically suffers (amongst other things) from the fact that serialization as a thing people wanted was like 15 years later and it would of helped it immensely. Imagine if they actually picked up new non-federation crew members or could let baby borg stick around for a few episodes.
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Mooseontheloose posted:Voyager basically suffers (amongst other things) from the fact that serialization as a thing people wanted was like 15 years later and it would of helped it immensely. Imagine if they actually picked up new non-federation crew members or could let baby borg stick around for a few episodes. Even the most interesting serialized plots wouldn't make up for the massive lack of enthusiasm from the main cast, IMO At least that's what kills Voyager for me, more than the actual boring plots e: of course you can argue that they go hand-in-hand; the cast would be more invested if they had better material to work with
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