Maximo Roboto posted:

kinda like Maoism

crepeface posted:

i salute the brave and better paid members of the 50 cent army for their sacrificial probes in d&d. i will not be joining them as i have written d&d off once i ate a 7 day probe for posting references in reply to a question. namaste 謝謝你

stephenthinkpad posted:

So what is the original argument? What is the one Taiwanese food that was not origined from Chinese regional cruisaine?

I would like to know so I will seek it out.

crepeface posted:

i salute the brave and better paid members of the 50 cent army for their sacrificial probes in d&d. i will not be joining them as i have written d&d off once i ate a 7 day probe for posting references in reply to a question. namaste 謝謝你

Maximo Roboto posted:

Mongolian BBQ is Taiwanese

Some Guy TT posted:

my main knowledge of taiwan is from an academic book arguing that prior to the second sinojapanese war taiwan had a very favorable impression of japan because in stark contrast to their previous masters the japanese constructed public works projects and established schools and gave them citizenship which however imperfectly applied was still a significant improvement over their status under chinese or dutch control

this attitude was attributed to a lack of clear ethnic identity a major contrast with the koreans who much more actively resisted the japanese because they believed themselves to have a meaningfully distinct culture which the japanese were trying to destroy

crepeface posted:

related, there's this article which outlines the origin of bushido and how it was some japanese christian's attempt to sell japan as "white" to the west. samurai and bushido was meant to be analogous to knights and the chilvaric code and though reception was good in the west, people in japan thought it was bullshit. it wasn't until imperial japan needed it to self-mythologize the way so many fascist nations do did it gain internal recognition and support.

https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bushido/

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Unique to his era, Nitobe's knowledge of English and Western literature remains impressive even by today's standards. Oleg Benesch, author of the in-depth study Bushido: The Creation of a Martial Ethic In Late Meiji Japan writes that Nitobe grew to be "more comfortable in English than Japanese" and eventually "lamented his lack of education in Japanese history and religion" (159).

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Nitobe put faith in the power of his pen and began to write. By simplifying the most eloquent, ideal aspects of Japanese culture into terms the West could relate to, he hoped to paint a new, noble image of Japan. Writing in English only served to make Nitobe's contrivance more deliberate. Maria Navarro and Alison Beeby explain,

The original text (of Nitobe's book) was written in English, which was not Nitobe's mother tongue… Writing in a foreign language obliges one to "filter" one's own emotions and modes of expression… It allows the writer to express more empathy for the 'other culture' (in Nitobe's case Western culture). Furthermore, one is much more conscious of what one wants to say, or what one wishes to avoid saying, in order to make the work more acceptable for intended readers.

Antonymous posted:

while people might fondly remember their grandpa 阿兵哥, Chiang Kaishek fuckin sucked and installed a foreign born dictatorship like Japan had done but now it's mandarin instead of Japanese (local people spoke neither unless educated in it) and it's not trying to win the hearts and minds, instead killing and imprisoning hundreds of thousands

Antonymous posted:

I think it's possible that if the commies had gotten to Taiwan first it would be a reverently red province to this day

huhwhat posted:

https://twitter.com/niveaforman1/status/1405143709851611136
https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the-meaning-of/japanese-word-9b30ac81c7ff88e8e0335c6d29f72adc36aafb4e.html

Maximo Roboto posted:

he's probably not wrong, but lol razib khan, a steve sailer hobnobbing race scientist

Razib Khan posted:

Xinjiang is Dzungar land emptied of Dzungars. And now it looks poised to be emptied of their Uyghur successors. Sadly, genocide, that darkest of human stains, is not a recent Western invention, but Made In China, too.

Maximo Roboto posted:

Isn't anthropology as proof of modern national identity the same thing that Israel is criticized for? Using 3,000 year old ancient claims to determine territorial ownership?

Maximo Roboto posted:

What if the out-of-Taiwan theory just means that not only the Austronesians settle Polynesia and Southeast Asia, but they also settled southern China as well. Fujianese are descended from ancient Taiwanese settlers

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Ancient samples from northern and southern China are well differentiated, with pairwise Fst of around 0.04. Modern individuals sampled from these regions are closer to 0.02. Part of this is due to a significant expansion of “northern” ancestry at the expense of “southern”. But there is also some flow northward of “southern” ancestry.

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To understand how these genes could be present in Africans, given that Neanderthals were localized to Europe and Asia, the authors simulated characteristics such as the length and frequency of introgressed archaic segments in the modern African genomes and the amount of sequence shared between African and non-African populations based on different historical demographic situations. They then compared these predictions with their empirical data. The authors found that the most probable model of admixture with Neanderthals was not due to a single interbreeding event between Neanderthals and African ancestors, but through back-migration of non-African ancestors carrying Neanderthal genes into Africa. Their model also supported the introduction of H. sapiens DNA into the Neanderthal genome through early migration events from Africa.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

5. Build your news organization’s muscle for determining the origin and nature of viral information. A responsible newsroom would never take the authenticity of leaked or other non-public content at face value because the authenticity of the content goes to the very heart of its newsworthiness

the only legit sources are CIA press releases

huhwhat posted:

https://www.gnxp.com/WordPress/2020...the-han-chinese

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41576-020-0222-3

huhwhat posted:

https://twitter.com/willehelmwonka/status/1405217198591733760

Cookie Cutter posted:

drat, everyone on that page got probation except me for wading into a discussion I prompted and even for attempting to clarify and expand on points I was making, and not a single concrete fact to dispute the actual data emerged. I'm still feeling things out but lesson learned, I think I'll back away from that thread for now

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Ten years ago liberals bigged themselves up on being "reality" or "truth based" in opposition to conservative ideology, but now reality is inconvenient for their own meager political agenda that can only advance interests on the margins at best - therefore truth is now a subjective instrument with political weight and you can deny it so long as it serves "progress." They're all so transparently cynical and only for the most pathetic reasons. It's loving infuriating. None of what they're doing this for is even worth it.

Antonymous posted:

namaste means hello and 謝謝 means thank you

Maximo Roboto posted:

Good job posting a lot of unrelated links that might be true but have nothing to do with what I wrote

However cringe it is to minimize one part of someone's ancestry in order to prop up another, what does that have anything to do with modern territorial claims? And surely new nationalities can be born after centuries elsewhere? The Chinese in Singapore and Malaysia aren't Qing citizens, are they?

Maximo Roboto posted:

Isn't anthropology as proof of modern national identity the same thing that Israel is criticized for? Using 3,000 year old ancient claims to determine territorial ownership?

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Lol, she's a part of "I'm not Chinese at all, actually I'm 1/24 plain aborigine" crowd

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You automatically disregard centuries of autonomy & assume all Taiwanese people are KMT refugees. Most immigrants during the Qing Dynasty were men, who then took indigenous wives.

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As I know so far, as least my great grandmother and her family were all Taiwanese indigenous people from Southern Taiwan.
The 1st immigrants to Taiwan around 16 to 18th century were southern mainland indigenous people, not "Han ethnic", to be precisely.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

So do you have your own opinions or what?

huhwhat posted:

https://twitter.com/notXiangyu/status/1380838909823836161

exmarx posted:

trying to (dis)prove indigeneity with genetics or 'blood purity' or whatever is extremely fail

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China has many languages or “dialects” that are barely mutually comprehensible, although they basically share a common written language. So what would make Shangainese or Cantonese a “dialect” and not a language worthy of independence? Someone once suggested that a “language” is no more than a “dialect with an army.”

The number of independent states in the world is still growing, but it is politics–domestic and international–that basically determines the outcome. The quest for an independent state today is often sparked by bad, incompetent or oppressive rule on the part of the dominant power group in the state. The Rohingya in Burma are only the latest sad victims of such a dominant Burmese ruling group.

Content and thriving populations, on the other hand, even minorities, don’t usually seek their own state unless the expected gains appear to be great–enough to justify war, destruction and death.

Traditionally strong states crack down harshly at any suggestion of separatism. Lincoln did so against the rebellious Confederate States in the American Civil War. China and India today, among other states, will not hear of separatism and move to crush it by force. Yet today many larger states, especially in the democratic West, have achieved some measure of wisdom or maturity in not applying armed force to prevent secession referendums, aware that repression will often only exacerbate separatist passions. Economic instruments are becoming the preferred weapon.

So how many states should the world accept? Should any group that wants its own state be allowed to have it? Who will decide? In the end it is power relationships that decide.

One approach for the future might be to accept the idea, at least theoretically, that any community that wishes to have its own state should be able to have it.

The future will be messy, but hopefully will be conducted under more peaceful and democratic procedures for autonomy or independence. But there are no guarantees.

Graham E. Fuller is a former senior CIA official, author of numerous books on the Muslim World; his latest book is “Breaking Faith: A novel of espionage and an American’s crisis of conscience in Pakistan.” (Amazon, Kindle) grahamefuller.com

FrancisFukyomama posted:

anyone know what the future outlook on healthcare in China and Vietnam is supposed to be? Is the current privatized model supposed to be a stopgap until they can transition to a socialized system or is it supposed to just keep going like that? they do seem to be progressively improving their social services and free healthcare seems like it’d be something that would be an eventual goal if they wanted to beat living standards in the rest of Asia and a pretty unambiguous step forward from an ideological perspective

huhwhat posted:

https://grahamefuller.com/who-gets-to-have-a-state/

Lostconfused posted:

Some of the arguments here are just lol though.

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Unique to his era, Nitobe's knowledge of English and Western literature remains impressive even by today's standards. Oleg Benesch, author of the in-depth study Bushido: The Creation of a Martial Ethic In Late Meiji Japan writes that Nitobe grew to be "more comfortable in English than Japanese" and eventually "lamented his lack of education in Japanese history and religion" (159).

Our mans is just too westernized and detached from his own culture.

quote:

Nitobe put faith in the power of his pen and began to write. By simplifying the most eloquent, ideal aspects of Japanese culture into terms the West could relate to, he hoped to paint a new, noble image of Japan. Writing in English only served to make Nitobe's contrivance more deliberate. Maria Navarro and Alison Beeby explain,

The original text (of Nitobe's book) was written in English, which was not Nitobe's mother tongue… Writing in a foreign language obliges one to "filter" one's own emotions and modes of expression… It allows the writer to express more empathy for the 'other culture' (in Nitobe's case Western culture). Furthermore, one is much more conscious of what one wants to say, or what one wishes to avoid saying, in order to make the work more acceptable for intended readers.

Wait, actually he is just another asian who's incapable of expressing themselves in the sophisticated languages of the west.

Lostconfused posted:

huhwhat posted:

https://i.imgur.com/etHlerK.mp4

Mantis42 posted:

There was a p good blog post noting this same thing

https://lateralthinkingtechnology.w...ied-trade-wars/

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The ‘Beijing Biden’ line still sticks, goading this inherently limp administration into a stiffness it can barely keep up.