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Shinjobi posted:I see HIAC and just think HVAC cause I think my brain is broken I think Slapjack had been on Main Event occasionally
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lmao why was tna doing traveling house shows
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Jun 18, 2021 17:29
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CopywrightMMXI posted:I read this in Bryan Alvarez’ voice. dou. DROP.
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Jun 18, 2021 17:29
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao why was tna doing traveling house shows They just needed to go on the road!
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Jun 18, 2021 17:39
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao why was tna doing traveling house shows they used to do 12 ppvs a year too. theyve always copied a successful wrestling promotion without the success.
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Jun 18, 2021 17:40
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao why was tna doing traveling house shows going from the memory banks, feel free to correct: TNA had been doing house shows intermittently with assists from local promotions(Hermie Sadler stuff) ever since its inception After they got the spike deal, they tried another house show in either Flint or Detroit, which I believe was co-promoted with ICP's wrestling group. It did pretty good gate and merch. At this point the only thing TNA could do reliably was stunt booking, which led to their eventual downfall from spike(on top of the russo stuff) also TNA used a smaller version of the 6 sided ring so it looked ridiculous they also upcharged on return dates. 1st row for the Arena went from $50 to $250 their live touring was abysmal because they trained their fans to fish for comps I think their last house show did like 50 paid. maybe 250 total.
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Jun 18, 2021 17:45
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coconono posted:going from the memory banks, feel free to correct: There was also a brief period where they would set up the ring on minor-league baseball fields for shows, which was exactly as sad as you might expect.
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Jun 18, 2021 17:49
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skaboomizzy posted:There was also a brief period where they would set up the ring on minor-league baseball fields for shows, which was exactly as sad as you might expect. Wasn’t that GFW?
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skaboomizzy posted:There was also a brief period where they would set up the ring on minor-league baseball fields for shows, which was exactly as sad as you might expect. oh yeah I forgot about the sold shows that no one went to. I think they even had a couch for the VIP fans(aka money marks) could sit on. It was gross looking.
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Jun 18, 2021 17:52
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Astro7x posted:I don't know how you would advertise a free HIAC match on TV, do a gently caress finish, and expect THAT to motivate people to pay money to watch the exact same match on PPV where nothing would be different. Do they really care about getting views on PPVs anymore? The money people pay to watch them doesn't go to WWE.
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Jun 18, 2021 18:05
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explosivo posted:I completely believe WWE is dumb and desperate enough to just put the cell on TV on a Friday, 100%. Honestly, is it that dumb? All their revenue comes from TV deals, this isn't the 1990s anymore, PPV isn't king. (Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this'll be disastrously bad, but the idea in isolation isn't inherently terrible)
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao why was tna doing traveling house shows Because at a time those were (sort of) profitable not necessarily due to how many people attended the show, but how much additional money they made on merch and stuff. I remember an old episode of B&V where they talked about attending a show near Seattle in 2009 and mentioned how much of a carny Borash and West were being in getting people to stand in line for "exlusive photos with Team 3-D" or something at $20 per picture and around 200 people lining up for that opportunity. That, and also mentioning just how drat much better the house shows were than Impact because the guys and gals were actually allowed to just wrestle rather than focus on stupid storyline BS. Of course as the entire product got worse, house show gates also got way worse and worse and soon we got all those empty arena shots that WWE would then steal a couple years later.
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forkboy84 posted:Honestly, is it that dumb? All their revenue comes from TV deals, this isn't the 1990s anymore, PPV isn't king. (Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this'll be disastrously bad, but the idea in isolation isn't inherently terrible) its that dumb to do this on a one day build, yes the last time they hotshotted a big main event on smackdown, roman vs bryan title vs career, they still went under 2 million
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forkboy84 posted:Honestly, is it that dumb? All their revenue comes from TV deals, this isn't the 1990s anymore, PPV isn't king. (Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this'll be disastrously bad, but the idea in isolation isn't inherently terrible) Apparently USA/NBCU is actually pissed that they're giving that match away on Smackdown (and NBCU is their primary partner) so it may be dumb.
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forkboy84 posted:Honestly, is it that dumb? All their revenue comes from TV deals, this isn't the 1990s anymore, PPV isn't king. (Don't get me wrong, I'm sure this'll be disastrously bad, but the idea in isolation isn't inherently terrible) The idea that wrestling was built on is “this smaller match sets up a big match, that people will pay to see.” It’s been that way since 100 years ago, when a masked man sat in the front row of Madison Square Garden and demanded to wrestle. He bitched and moaned for three days and the story made it into the newspaper, then he wrestled and everyone paid to see it. “Here’s an interesting thing that will happen this week that might not matter next week!” Goes against the idea of episodic television and was the decline of WCW, which was the second biggest wrestling company in the world.
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Astro7x posted:I don't know how you would advertise a free HIAC match on TV, do a gently caress finish, and expect THAT to motivate people to pay money to watch the exact same match on PPV where nothing would be different. Maybe the PPV will feature the first ever Hell in the Cell in a Cell match where the Cell is enclosed in a bigger cell to prevent people from breaking into the main cell.
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Jun 18, 2021 18:20
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they've gotta be running out of young women whose dream it is to appear at wrestlemania* *while being named like Chewbecca or Humpback Gail
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1glitch0 posted:Maybe the PPV will feature the first ever Hell in the Cell in a Cell match where the Cell is enclosed in a bigger cell to prevent people from breaking into the main cell. Too bad they lost Mark Henry to AEW so he can't come out and break a chain with his bare hands.
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According to Cagematch, TNA started running house shows in 2006, and ran 14 of them that year. They ran an additional 19 in 2007, then went [Monster's] balls out in 2008 with 64, 69 in 2009, 85 in 2010, 91 in 2011, and 89 in 2012. From there they started dwindling, until 2015 when they only ran five in the fall, and none in 2016. They did two house shows in 2017 under the GFW name at a minor league baseball stadium in the narrow window where they were going to rebrand with Jeff Jarrett's IP, and haven't run any since. I remember there was a period, not sure when, where people were saying that TNA house shows were actually pretty great, because if you just let their roster wrestle without a bunch of dumb overbooking they're actually pretty great.
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I wonder if they’ll ever replace the horrible red cell back to the normal one that isn’t impossible to see through.
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Jun 18, 2021 18:27
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Karma Tornado posted:they've gotta be running out of young women whose dream it is to appear at wrestlemania* It really depends on the landscape in 5-10 years time. Women especially gravitate towards WWE because the money's there. None of the women's only companies globally offer anywhere near the same amount of money. What's changing the game for women outside of the WWE system are the sideline income stuff like being an influencer(paid corporate shill) or producing their own content through twitch/onlyfans/patreon/youtube/etc. WWE clamping down on that stuff and not offering an alternative(they fired the division that was going to manage all the side stuff) is the wait and see part. I personally think the sideline money is going to become more and more important, particularly for indie wrestlers(male and female) because there's absolutely zero income protections working indies or show tapings for D tier cable channels. Should those lines mature into something more viable than what WWE offers(after you do all the adding and subbing it comes out to about $45k/yr for guys and $35k/yr for women), you will definitely see the shift. Sometimes its not about The Dream, sometimes its about making rent and taking care of your kids.
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Dacap posted:I wonder if they’ll ever replace the horrible red cell back to the normal one that isn’t impossible to see through. it's on Smackdown so they're gonna replace it with a blue cell and blue lights
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It may be because of my colorblindness, but I literally cannot see anything going on in the red cage/cell/chamber. The color just bleeds everywhere.
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Golden Bee posted:The idea that wrestling was built on is “this smaller match sets up a big match, that people will pay to see.” It’s been that way since 100 years ago, when a masked man sat in the front row of Madison Square Garden and demanded to wrestle. He bitched and moaned for three days and the story made it into the newspaper, then he wrestled and everyone paid to see it. Yeah, I don't care about PPV buys. I care about narrative, and the devaluation of PPV as these narrative climaxes is like if you teach people not to care about the season finale of your show.
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Jun 18, 2021 19:40
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Pope Corky the IX posted:It may be because of my colorblindness, but I literally cannot see anything going on in the red cage/cell/chamber. The color just bleeds everywhere. it's hideous without the colorblindness too
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Jun 18, 2021 19:41
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that's what it looks like in Hell buddy
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Jun 18, 2021 19:47
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Alexander Hamilton posted:Do they really care about getting views on PPVs anymore? The money people pay to watch them doesn't go to WWE. I mean... these contracts renew, so sure, they should care. But they don't.
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Douwop Doudrop
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC9-TUZSjoQ
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I wish there was a wrestling company with lots of money that said "you know what we need, a large woman with a wee scottish voice to brutalize all the instragram honeys" and that's the extent of the gimmick.
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mooseinfants posted:Douwop Re-debut her as Cherry with Ducey and domino. Don’t acknowledge that any time has passed since 2006
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quote:Many were left surprised when WWE inexplicably moved Roman Reigns vs. Rey Mysterio from the Hell in a Cell PPV. When asking why this happened, we didn't get much of an answer, but heard some notes about the constantly changing creative process.
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thanks nick great company you're running here
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WWE proudly presents: making GBS threads the Bed, while turning a Profit"
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There was a time Owens v Zayn in a cell would’ve been a dream match
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https://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/usa-network-is-very-unhappy-about-the-hell-in-a-cell-match-announced-for-smackdown-on-fox/quote:Zarian said, “I can tell you for a fact that USA Network is very unhappy that the Hell in a Cell match is happening on SmackDown. I’m not gonna say they are fuming but they are very unhappy about it.” Lol
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Big Dave about it:Wrestling Observer Newsletter posted:Roman Reigns was to defend the Universal title against Rey Mysterio, with the idea of Rey getting revenge for what Reigns did to Dominik last week (even though Dominik was back and fine on television seven days later). Then, on 6/17, it was announced the match was taken off the PPV and being moved to the 6/18 Smackdown show. As far as what happened, there’s no involved reason that made any sense. The word we were told is that you can’t describe why, there were just a bunch of discussions on Thursday and the discussions ended up with “Let’s do it on Smackdown.”
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lmao why was tna doing traveling house shows I wen to a TNA house show in like 2007. I had just gotten out of the military and I had a sign with me that said "Air Force loves Kurt Angle". JB came over to talk to me, asked if I was a veteran and I told him I was. So JB was like "ok during intermission we are going to have you come into the ring, put you over, etc" About 15 minutes into the show I tore a gigantic loving hole in the back of my pants jumping up to cheer like Eric Young or something I had an undershirt on so I took my shirt off and tied it around my waste. Getting into the ring was loving terrifying because I was worried about literally showing my rear end to half the arena. Christian came out for the main even and cut a promo on me about how it was disrespectful to cheer for the US military when the Canadian military was much better (or something like that). After the show was over Kurt Angle did a picture with the TNA title and the IWGP Heavyweight Championship. He took a picture with me and my girlfriend at the time and let me hold the IWGP title. That is my TNA house show story that nobody cares about. Germansimp posted:Because at a time those were (sort of) profitable not necessarily due to how many people attended the show, but how much additional money they made on merch and stuff. I remember an old episode of B&V where they talked about attending a show near Seattle in 2009 and mentioned how much of a carny Borash and West were being in getting people to stand in line for "exlusive photos with Team 3-D" or something at $20 per picture and around 200 people lining up for that opportunity. I can confirm that this was the case at the show I went to. Pictures with Angle were $20 each and at least 100 people did it. SalTheBard fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Jun 18, 2021 |
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