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cowards, face the mechanics of criticism in the critic threads!!
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Jun 24, 2021 00:11
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my belief is that the concepts of objectivity and subjectivity are not mutually exclusive and the manner in which this particular topic always seems to go is rooted in a fundamental misunderstanding of how those concepts relate to qualitative analysis in media ergo who cares
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Jun 24, 2021 00:23
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Jamie Faith posted:Hot take but the PS2 podracing game is so much better. It feels way closer to the movies with how you have to spend more time managing your podracers systems and with the 1 life and you're out of the race rule, it's way more exciting! In the n64 version, all the racers are all spread out, in the ps2 version, everyone is way closer to each other so there's more close combat and trying to take out other racers. It owns so hard. It's my favorite racing game of all time. I played a fuckton of Racer Revenge as a kid, I enjoyed it and the pc port of the first racer game a lot and enjoyed the no respawning feature in revenge too, it especially made the multiplayer fun, my brother HATED being taken out of the race but it was too fun to crash into him. I haven't played it in forever though, does it hold up? I remember when the PS2 price got lowered to $199 we got ours at the local Toys-R-Us, they were sold out everywhere else, and Racer Revenge was one of the games we bought with it there, so it might have been the first PS2 game I ever played? Almost exactly 19 years ago now, heck. I see a lot of people talk about the original Racer game but never the ps2 Racer Revenge! I'd love to see a new podracing game come out.
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Jun 24, 2021 00:39
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Mischievous Mink posted:I played a fuckton of Racer Revenge as a kid, I enjoyed it and the pc port of the first racer game a lot and enjoyed the no respawning feature in revenge too, it especially made the multiplayer fun, my brother HATED being taken out of the race but it was too fun to crash into him. I haven't played it in forever though, does it hold up? I remember when the PS2 price got lowered to $199 we got ours at the local Toys-R-Us, they were sold out everywhere else, and Racer Revenge was one of the games we bought with it there, so it might have been the first PS2 game I ever played? Almost exactly 19 years ago now, heck. I see a lot of people talk about the original Racer game but never the ps2 Racer Revenge! I'd love to see a new podracing game come out. It does hold up! I actually never played it back in the day. Only had the first one on n64. I just bought racer revenge off the ps4 store like 6 months ago to check it out and was blown away by it. Absolutely get it if you can!
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Jun 24, 2021 00:44
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Okay, so let's tackle the idea of objectivity and subjectivity as they relate to media criticism. Now, before we start I'm going to have to be "that guy" who pulls out a dictionary definition of the terms. I'm not doing this to be pedantic, I'm doing it because the word "objective" has several different meanings and I want to make sure we're all on the same page in regards to the terms I'm using because English is a crazypants language held together with chewing gum and paperclips. So I think the best definition for what I mean when I talk about objectivity is this one from Dictionary.com: quote:intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book. Now, it's been brought up before in this thread, on both sides of the argument, that what we are looking at when we assess whether a movie is "good" or "bad" is how well it fulfills its intended purpose. This is a pretty simple and universal metric by which to assess something's quality: A hammer is a good hammer if it can effectively drive nails into a surface, a wrench is a good wrench if it can fasten a bolt. The problem we run into with this is that a movie' (Or really any piece of art) intended purpose is to impart an emotional response in the viewer, to impart a thought or a feeling; things that are by their very nature subjective. While we can make objective assessments and value judgements about aspects of a film (such as how well it did at the box office, how well it was received by critics or audiences, etc) we cannot make an objective, holistic assessment of a movie's quality in the same way we could a hammer or a wrench. Now, does this mean all opinions about movies are equally valid, or quality is meaningless or any other such outlandish scenarios? No, not at all. We just can't approach the question of "is this movie good?" the same way we would something that can be objectively determined. Whether a movie is good or bad is not a question with a single right answer, but one with many possible conclusions backed up by reasoned arguments. All of these conclusions are subjective, but the arguments used to support them are not created equal. In short: In media criticism, whether you say the movie is bad or good is not important, it's the argument you present as to WHY you believe this. And I think this is why the idea of saying a movie is "objectively" bad or good rankles so many people in this thread: It is a statement most frequently used by people as a means to validate their own subjective media opinions without doing the intellectual legwork to develop a reasoned argument to support their conclusion, they are instead more concerned with validating their own, existing beliefs by appealing to a hypothetical, outside standard rather than engaging in a nuanced discussion. Now, does this mean we should throw out all questions of objectivity in media criticism? ...Not exactly. While assessing the overall quality of a movie is an ultimately subjective exercise, I think that there's still some merit to applying a more objective mindset in how we approach analyzing them, but not in the same way we would objectively analyze a hammer. Rather, we attempt to apply some measure of objectivity to media criticism by attempting to explore and incorporate points of view outside of our own, to look at a film from different angles and through other people's eyes. Even though I don't particularly like the Star Wars Prequels, my assessment can become more complete and impartial by considering that there are people who legitimately enjoy these movies, and by trying to understand WHY they feel this way. In conclusion, objectivity is a land of contrasts...
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Jun 24, 2021 00:46
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yeah what that guy said
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Jun 24, 2021 00:52
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edogawa rando posted:I know this is from a few pages back, but it was night time where I live, so gently caress you all, you need to put up with it. Also, as someone who loves Shakespeare's plays, I didn't appreciate the completely random shots fired in that direction either.
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Jun 24, 2021 00:52
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KingKalamari posted:Now, before we start I'm going to have to be "that guy" who pulls out a dictionary definition of the terms. This post is going to be epic
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Jun 24, 2021 00:56
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NorgLyle posted:Also, as someone who loves Shakespeare's plays, I didn't appreciate the completely random shots fired in that direction either. lol wait what
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Jun 24, 2021 00:56
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KingKalamari posted:
Star Wars is stupid, but if we’re meant to hate stupid things, then our parents would have abandoned us as children.
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Jun 24, 2021 00:59
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edogawa rando posted:Star Wars is stupid, but if we’re meant to hate stupid things, then our parents would have abandoned us as children. 
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Jun 24, 2021 01:10
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KingKalamari posted:Okay, so let's tackle the idea of objectivity and subjectivity as they relate to media criticism. This was an excellent post, and has effectively concluded the discussion, benefitting all.
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Jun 24, 2021 01:12
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stillvisions posted:Nyx Fears covers the "Disturbing Movie Iceberg" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPld_tFBBQY (part 1) May continues her Iceberg video in part 2 Note, I have not actually watched it yet so I don't know how disturbing this one's subjects are but I'm assuming it's going to be significantly worse than part 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8KznPlOMsc
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Jun 24, 2021 01:30
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josh04 posted:lol wait what
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Jun 24, 2021 01:34
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Another YouTuber named wedigoon did the Disturbing Movie Iceberg a few months ago and the bottom level is urban legendary darkweb cp, bestiality, and compilations of videos of accidents and murders. Not even movies in the sense you'd think from the iceberg's subject.
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Jun 24, 2021 01:35
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How the gently caress can yall argue about Star Wars so often?
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Jun 24, 2021 03:46
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40-Degree Day posted:How the gently caress can yall argue about Star Wars so often? We'll never know the truth of what lies under a Jawa's robes and it drives us mad
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Jun 24, 2021 03:51
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This is a good post.edogawa rando posted:Star Wars is stupid, but if we’re meant to hate stupid things, then our parents would have abandoned us as children.
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Jun 24, 2021 03:52
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I honestly feel absolute shame and disgust for liking geek poo poo past the age of seven. I'm thirty-four and I still hide it like I'm going to be murdered over it (because I ought to be).
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Jun 24, 2021 03:58
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Nuns with Guns posted:We'll never know the truth of what lies under a Jawa's robes and it drives us mad for some reason i thought they were little rat people but thats not canon.....
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Jun 24, 2021 04:05
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Nuns with Guns posted:We'll never know the truth of what lies under a Jawa's robes and it drives us mad It's just another Jawa robe...
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Jun 24, 2021 04:19
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Star Man posted:I honestly feel absolute shame and disgust for liking geek poo poo past the age of seven. I'm thirty-four and I still hide it like I'm going to be murdered over it (because I ought to be). Weird
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Jun 24, 2021 04:20
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CelticPredator posted:Weird My experiences were that geeky interests were socially unacceptable by third grade and unless tou were into the things that were widely acceptable, you were never going to fit in and it persists today.
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Jun 24, 2021 04:29
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okay but now you're a grown up and you can think whatever you want
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Jun 24, 2021 04:48
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Star Man posted:My experiences were that geeky interests were socially unacceptable by third grade and unless tou were into the things that were widely acceptable, you were never going to fit in and it persists today. I get this. I remember when Grand Theft Auto 3 came out in high school, and it's like all the teenagers decided at once that we were allowed to admit we liked video games.
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Jun 24, 2021 05:04
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https://twitter.com/mikexnichols/status/1407775029585190920?s=19
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Jun 24, 2021 06:57
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I feel y'all deserve a reward for all the hard-fought discussion about criticism in this thread Ironmouse and Pikamee did a collab playing super bunnyman. Ironmouse is quickly becoming my favorite non-hololive vtuber, she's ridiculously inspirational and probably one of the better vtuber singers, and she's drat hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70dx3mfgdpg&hd=1 She also did a collab with Calli from holoEN, it was a fun chill stream mostly with them fangirling and being adorable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZHp1YMMDNE&hd=1 And Ina has started The Wonderful 101, which promises to be good fun. The great/depressing thing about W101 is that nobody loving knows what it is 99% of the time so it's basically a guaranteed new experience and good time for basically anyone you show it to!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lccQAqFq7c&hd=1
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Jun 24, 2021 08:12
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Its been 0 days since Bob advocates for eugenics  https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/1407746495177281539 Then he tries some whataboutism https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/1407938393452040194 Someone tries to reason with him but Bob plays dumb like he always does https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/1407834921695997952 and then Bob plays a "no u" card lol https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/1407917747749728256
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Jun 24, 2021 08:28
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Captain Invictus posted:I feel y'all deserve a reward for all the hard-fought discussion about criticism in this thread My exoposure to Ironmouse has been through the streams/videos she's been in with Connor/CdawgVA (who I got into through Abroad in Japan), and her constant making GBS threads on Connor is hilarious
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Jun 24, 2021 09:37
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Shinji2015 posted:My exoposure to Ironmouse has been through the streams/videos she's been in with Connor/CdawgVA (who I got into through Abroad in Japan), and her constant making GBS threads on Connor is hilarious the one thing I'm super excited for is that shortly after the above calli collab, she tweeted this: https://twitter.com/ironmouse/status/1406561002653732869 Libera Me From Hell is one of the climactic songs in Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT6LFOIofRE&hd=1 I'm hope hope hoping that this means it's a joint cover collab with calli, where ironmouse covers the operatics while calli raps. Maybe...tweaking the lyrics, to be a teensy bit more coherent in a few spots.
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Jun 24, 2021 09:47
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I can't believe you've slandered Pikamee by not including her among your favorite vtubers when she is in fact the best.
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Jun 24, 2021 10:00
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hey korone and then pikamee were my first two vtuber subs, I won't stand for such slander then I subbed to kiara and gura. then coco and calli. then zentreya. then ironmouse, snuffy, ina, nyanners, ame, nene, kson I guess what I'm saying is it's quite nice down here in this hole, it seems to be getting deeper all the time though I like that the kson account has gained about 300,000 new subscribers ever since coco announced her retirement. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Jun 24, 2021 |
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Jun 24, 2021 10:22
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Garrand posted:May continues her Iceberg video in part 2 Generally yes, though my own squeamishness lines up with May's so she stops talking about when I'm "nope" as well. May also adds some movies to the list, most notably actually good movies, or at least well-made ones. I'd honestly be more interested in seeing that full iceberg, and she teases that as a possibility. Most of the stuff on the lower levels of the iceberg is basically snuff porn.
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Jun 24, 2021 13:25
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And their creator attacked Corbyn as an antisemite. Jamie Faith posted:Its been 0 days since Bob advocates for eugenics Has anyone tried to explain to Film Robert that the GOP (and Trump) base are economically comfortable suburb/exurbanites? It's not what he presumes are ignorant poor people having tons of kids (not that his position would be defensible if they were). It probably wouldn't take but he keeps saying the same thing over and over again.
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Jun 24, 2021 13:32
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The contrast between the vtuber anime avatar and the incredibly violent way they play most games will never not be hilarious to me. STAY HOME DAYO
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Jun 24, 2021 13:55
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Movie Bob isn't even worth paying attention to. They are just another random idiot on the internet.
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Jun 24, 2021 14:07
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Yes but the correct thread to post about him in is in CSPAM and that's a bit too spicy for some people.
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Jun 24, 2021 14:16
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Speaking of spicy, I watched that first video about disturbing movies and decided that was enough for me. I don’t need to know about horrible movies where horrible things happen, no thank you
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Jun 24, 2021 14:24
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 They really doubled down on this banker Goblin thing later on in the franchise instead of toning it down, huh?
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Jun 24, 2021 14:37
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stillvisions posted:May also adds some movies to the list, most notably actually good movies, or at least well-made ones. I dunno about that. I think it's kinda great that her additions include actual hosed up poo poo next to weird bad "it's just a prank, bro" nonsense like Trash Humpers. And then her final addition is the most unwatchable of all of them: Nostalgia Critic's The Wall.
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