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Watching “The Next Phase” right now and I love that Geordi just sticks his cloaked head into a piece of equipment and just goes, “yup, this is totally a phase inverter.” There’s so much that doesn’t make sense in this episode and I love it. Like how can you walk through objects/walls but you don’t fall through the floor? Oh drat! Geordie just pushes that Romulus dude out into space. Brutal. Kwatz fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Jun 28, 2021 |
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It's a good thing you can still breathe air when you're out of phase even though the walls can't contain you
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Jun 28, 2021 05:22
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Oh, gotta get "how can you see with transparent retinas" in there too!
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Jun 28, 2021 07:21
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Maybe they really were ghosts and Geordi was wrong Datas Dustbuster just brings ghosts back to life?
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Jun 28, 2021 14:36
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Something something once air passed into their bodies the residual field particles pushed the air molecules into phase with the rest of their body allowing them to breath. Something something.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:52
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HIJK posted:Garrett Wang and Robert McNeill have a podcast called Delta Flyers where they're talking about Voyager and behind the scenes stuff. Garrett recounts his standard convention stories there so if you have missed him then check it out. There's some cool info about the show. I just started it and its pretty swell Robert McNeill is the only reason Paris was even halfway likable and I think deserves more credit for that.
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Jun 28, 2021 14:57
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Maybe there was just air in whatever phase they were in! I'm not sure what... that means exactly.
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Jun 28, 2021 15:11
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middle managers trying to cancel WFH be like
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Jun 28, 2021 15:34
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They address all the "how is she breathing?" issues in that suspiciously similar episode of Enterprise with Hoshi It's all a dream. The whole episode is a bloody dream
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Jun 28, 2021 20:17
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bull3964 posted:Something something once air passed into their bodies the residual field particles pushed the air molecules into phase with the rest of their body allowing them to breath. Something something. This was actually something I was super happy they caught in the DS9 episode where Bashir and Miles are shrunk and have to go outside the shrunk Runabout to fix stuff. They have to take some shrunken air with them cause normal air molecules are way too big. Artificial gravity plating should keep Laforge and Ro stuck to the ground just fine, but yeah there's no way they should be going through walls and also breathing normally.
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Jun 28, 2021 20:27
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Eh, don't let hard sci-fi get in the way of a good story. Trek is all over the place with scientific accuracy anyway. And at this point, I'm including future history. Where are my loving sanctuary zones?
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Jun 28, 2021 20:29
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Q watches the Enterprise all the time and thought it would be more fun if they could breathe instead of just suffocating. He didn't just fix the problem because that would ruin the drama. In other words: "a wizard did it"
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Jun 28, 2021 20:38
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Orthanc6 posted:This was actually something I was super happy they caught in the DS9 episode where Bashir and Miles are shrunk and have to go outside the shrunk Runabout to fix stuff. They have to take some shrunken air with them cause normal air molecules are way too big. There's also the Farscape episode where Sikozu runs through possible ways to shrink someone - subtracting atoms would make your brains useless, shrinking you would leave you unable to breath normal air - and comes to the conclusion that the whole thing is a deranged hallucination. She promptly gets told to shut the frell up.
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Jun 28, 2021 21:04
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BonHair posted:Eh, don't let hard sci-fi get in the way of a good story. The episode takes place in three years, give it time
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Jun 28, 2021 22:30
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Strom Cuzewon posted:There's also the Farscape episode where Sikozu runs through possible ways to shrink someone - subtracting atoms would make your brains useless, shrinking you would leave you unable to breath normal air - and comes to the conclusion that the whole thing is a deranged hallucination. Asimov's novelization of Fantastic Voyage goes over a lot of the same details and adds a lot of science that the movie glosses over, like the nature of the shrinking effect (similar to the DS9 method, making everything in the ship proportionately lesser) and the fact that everything the crew sees has an ethereal sparkling effect to it, because they're using shrunken light sources so even the photons are smaller.
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Jun 28, 2021 22:36
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FlamingLiberal posted:Haven't watched it since it aired, but I remember a distinct feeling when it was over of 'what was the point?' Yeah, that's about right. Kind of a few of these episodes in season 4 and 5, weird plots that end up technically not happening or mattering. Saw one last night playing a game that I kept thinknig was a random old doctor who episode, I've seen it before but couldn't for the life of me remember or focus enough to know why they hell tom paris episodes exist, let alone that one.
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Jun 28, 2021 22:56
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McSpanky posted:Asimov's novelization of Fantastic Voyage goes over a lot of the same details and adds a lot of science that the movie glosses over, like the nature of the shrinking effect (similar to the DS9 method, making everything in the ship proportionately lesser) and the fact that everything the crew sees has an ethereal sparkling effect to it, because they're using shrunken light sources so even the photons are smaller. Shrinking photons? I'd like to say Asimov knew better than that, but then again, the theories of light propagation in the 1960s were a freakin' mess.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:19
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Mooseontheloose posted:Ezri would of been a better character introduced in Season 5 or 6. Naive young Starfleet officer that gets 500 years of experience is overwhelmed by her personalities trying to cope with that would of been a better slow build than the rush we got. Nicole De Boer did a great job though. It would have been interesting to begin Season 1 with Curzon as a main cast member, and then at some point kill him off and bring in Jadzia as his replacement.
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Zaroff posted:It would have been interesting to begin Season 1 with Curzon as a main cast member, and then at some point kill him off and bring in Jadzia as his replacement. That would make sense, too - have an experienced Federation diplomat there to handle interactions with the Bajoran provisional government, and the Cardassians. Have Sisko be forced to step up into that role in addition to commanding the station when Curzon's health starts to fail.
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Jun 29, 2021 01:03
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I've said it before, but Dax was always just a little too high-concept for a mainstream '90s show and probably was never going to totally work; it's amazing she worked as well as she did. Back then, if you didn't have the whole main cast of characters set in stone by the end of the premiere it was like, blasphemy or something. That's one thing they would've had more freedom to explore in a more modern "prestige" show. (But it probably also would've fallen into a lot of negative tendencies.)
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Jun 29, 2021 01:16
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Sir Lemming posted:I've said it before, but Dax was always just a little too high-concept for a mainstream '90s show and probably was never going to totally work; it's amazing she worked as well as she did. Back then, if you didn't have the whole main cast of characters set in stone by the end of the premiere it was like, blasphemy or something. That's one thing they would've had more freedom to explore in a more modern "prestige" show. (But it probably also would've fallen into a lot of negative tendencies.) It probably doesn't help that in the first S1 episode that is explicitly about her, 'Dax', she barely has any dialog for most of the episode.
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Jun 29, 2021 01:22
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I believe the producers are on record as saying they wanted her to be a very zen-like figure at first who dispenses age old wisdom to Sisko. Problem is, that’s kinda boring as poo poo and didn’t play to Farrell’s strengths. Party girl Jadzia who likes to hang with old Klingon dudes was a much better character.
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HD DAD posted:I believe the producers are on record as saying they wanted her to be a very zen-like figure at first who dispenses age old wisdom to Sisko. Problem is, that’s kinda boring as poo poo and didn’t play to Farrell’s strengths. Party girl Jadzia who likes to hang with old Klingon dudes was a much better character. Should of made Rom the science officer and Jadzia a bartender at Quark's that mixes cocktails from all her various lifetimes.
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Finishing recaps of VOY S3 and moving on to S4 Real Life- The Doctor is experimenting with having a holographic family, which B'Elanna takes the opportunity to poo poo on because she came from a broken home. The Doctor's holo-wife is played by Wendy Schaal, who I immediately recognized as the voice of Francine Smith from American Dad. Overall the episode is fine, but you just have to love that B'Elanna absolutely cannot tolerate the idea of a 'perfect' family and has to poo poo all over The Doctor's program, even though he has had very few relationships of any kind up to this point. She just insists on throwing him into the fire immediately with a rebellious son and a daughter who ends up dying tragically. Distant Origin- This was always one of my favorite Voyager episodes from years back and it still holds up. I appreciated that the episode's protagonist was actually a guest alien and not a Voyager crewmember. Chakotay is heavily involved in the plot, but ultimately this is the alien scientist's episode. While I wish that we had seen the Voth again after this, I feel like it probably would have probably would have taken some of the sting out of the ending. Definitely a top-tier Voyager episode. Scorpion Pts 1/2- Another of my favorites. The Borg show up in a very strong way here, after being teased a bit in a couple of earlier episodes. The main thing that makes this two-parter work for me is the fact that they actually have a major conflict between Janeway and Chakotay, something that so rarely happens on the show. But it's done in the kind of way that makes both characters have a valid argument, even if ultimately Janeway wins out. Species 8472 is also presented as a major new unique threat, but unfortunately the show doesn't follow up on them much beyond two episodes, before they just kind of disappear. Obviously this marks a major change in the status quo, with Seven of Nine joining the cast. The Gift- The one where Kes gets written off of the show and we start to have Seven reclaiming her humanity somewhat. You can really feel in this episode how much the show wasted Kes up until now, because she goes back to having similar abilities like she did in the S2 episode 'Suspiria', but which had been mostly ignored until they had to find a way to write her off. Kes never really worked for me, mainly because the writers could never get a handle on what to do with her beyond 'Neelix's girlfriend'. She has a couple of episodes here and there, but they rarely amount to anything and especially as you get more episodes revolving around the other crewmembers, she just fades more and more into the background. It's probably for the best that she got written off, because the writers just had way more interest in writing for Seven and she ends up being one of the best characters on the show moving forward. Day of Honor-A B'Elanna episode, where she finally gets around to telling her true feelings to Tom, albeit in a situation where she thought she was going to die. The main plot revolves around aliens who had their homeworld destroyed by the Borg and are basically just wandering refugees struggling to survive. I was not super thrilled with the turn late in the episode where they are going to basically steal Voyager's warp core and take all of Voyager's supplies despite the crew helping them out earlier. This is only saved by the deus ex machina of Seven knowing how to build a device that will allow the aliens' ships to have basically unlimited power. Luckily she was onboard or Voyager was basically going to go out in a random fight with some random aliens. Nemesis- I just want to say that whoever decided that the main aliens who Chakotay works with in this episode should speak in weird copy/paste thesaurus language should be fired. It's just extremely awkward language that takes me out of the whole episode. You can also see the twist of the episode coming a mile away. The episode tries very very hard to get you to identify with the first aliens so that they can pull the rug out from under you at the end, but it's very obvious it's coming. Definitely a weaker episode that I didn't even remember. Revulsion- This episode continues the ongoing theme of sentient holograms that appear often throughout the remainder of the series. I did think that showing the guest character hologram dragging bodies through his ship in the cold open kind of takes some of the mystery out of the episode, as it's way less surprising at the end of the episode where he goes full psycho and tries to kill B'Elanna. It's a good guest role by Leland Orser, who had appeared in two DS9 episodes before this, and later has a guest role on Enterprise. The B plot involves Kim working with Seven on the astrometrics lab, only to awkwardly hit on her and have her get confused. There's an infamous scene near the end where Seven is basically like 'you want to gently caress?' and Kim is basically speechless. Apparently Jeri Ryan didn't like this episode because Seven cracks a joke about midway through and she felt like the character was not at the point in restoring her humanity that she would be doing that, which is fair.
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Jun 29, 2021 03:16
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Bullbar posted:Oh hell yeah William Sadler
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Sir Lemming posted:Back then, if you didn't have the whole main cast of characters set in stone by the end of the premiere it was like, blasphemy or something. Rene Auberjonois was apparently very worried when they actually revealed Odo's origins that it meant they were preparing to write him off the show. It's hard to remember just how much TV used to avoid having any sort of character development or changes.
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LividLiquid posted:Just be sure not to offend him by overlooking his butt. He works out all the time. And reaping burns a lot of calories. The scene where Sloan was doing nude kata in his quarters was weird
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HD DAD posted:I believe the producers are on record as saying they wanted her to be a very zen-like figure at first who dispenses age old wisdom to Sisko. Problem is, that’s kinda boring as poo poo and didn’t play to Farrell’s strengths. Party girl Jadzia who likes to hang with old Klingon dudes was a much better character. I think one small tweak to her would of been this ideal starfleet officer in terms of cultures. She loves to learn and participate in other cultures and doesn't have quite the same rigidness of Sisko or Worf in terms of orthodoxy.
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Sir Lemming posted:I've said it before, but Dax was always just a little too high-concept for a mainstream '90s show and probably was never going to totally work; it's amazing she worked as well as she did. Back then, if you didn't have the whole main cast of characters set in stone by the end of the premiere it was like, blasphemy or something. That's one thing they would've had more freedom to explore in a more modern "prestige" show. (But it probably also would've fallen into a lot of negative tendencies.) A modern prestige Star Trek show about a joined Trill that works as a trouble shooter for Starfleet and gets sent to all the wierdest situations in the Galaxy would be a cool idea but you could still run into the problem of all the interesting things about the Trill being thier past lives and not the character on screen each episode. And if you are going to have your protagonist be able to draw on a bunch of different expericnes then just have a crew with varied backgrounds.
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Jun 29, 2021 16:24
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Truly excited to watch Profit and Lace, which I've seen as one of the worst DS9 episodes on several lists. Season six has been pretty phenomenal overall
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Just finished my first watch of the entirety of Star Trek Enterprise. Actually really enjoyed it overall, I think it's underrated but holy poo poo is it post 9/11 as hell. It's a shame that they only made 4 seasons and I'm annoyed that they killed Trip in the final episode for no good reason. He was my favorite character 
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Mr. Funktastic posted:Just finished my first watch of the entirety of Star Trek Enterprise. Actually really enjoyed it overall, I think it's underrated but holy poo poo is it post 9/11 as hell. It's a shame that they only made 4 seasons and I'm annoyed that they killed Trip in the final episode for no good reason. He was my favorite character He was mine too but the books immediately retcon his death as faked so he could do Section 31 things in the lead up to the Romulan War. I really want LDS to offhandedly make that canon.
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HD DAD posted:He was mine too but the books immediately retcon his death as faked so he could do Section 31 things in the lead up to the Romulan War. I can imagine it was due to the fan reaction to the finale episode. At least it sounds like everyone thought it sucked and did Trip dirty so I'm not alone there.
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Even Berman and Braga came out later and said it sucked and apologized for it. I just pretend it doesn’t exist. Terra Prime was a perfectly solid series finale.
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HD DAD posted:I really want LDS to offhandedly make that canon. They should put him at the bar with like one line of dialogue from Connor Trinneer ordering a beer or something, don't even explain why, just leave it there and let us watch the chaos it causes on Memory Alpha
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I could totally see Mariner getting involved in Section 31's spy stuff but then getting somehow offended by their poo poo and ruining a bunch of it. Like she's all about bending Starfleet rules and regulations, and thinks they have some kind of grand scale failure to live up to their values, but also there's some kind of general dislike and discomfort for all authority in there and probably also some genuine ADHD? Seems complicated.
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Jun 30, 2021 05:33
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Imagine if River had joined the q continuum. “Computer? Weed - dank!”
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SlothfulCobra posted:I could totally see Mariner getting involved in Section 31's spy stuff but then getting somehow offended by their poo poo and ruining a bunch of it. Seems... human. But yeah, it's specifically ADHD plus Oppositional Defiance Disorder imo, which is a very common combination because ODD is often a by-product of what happens when ADHD people have to cope with particularly controlling parents. Which Mariner does seem to have, in her mom. Bullbar posted:The scene where Sloan was doing nude kata in his quarters was weird Only because you missed the part where he open-palm slams the VHS tape into the machine and does the movements along with it, right after he rolls out of bed.
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