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fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

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# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:21

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# ? May 27, 2024 17:22

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Mirthless posted:

can a space elevator even load practical weights when descending? I was always under the impression that the point of the elevator was to lower the energy requirements for getting heavy cargo into orbit, not the other way around. loading up the elevator with millions of tons of ore or something seems like a great way to break the elevator and then the planet below it.

an elevator that was strong enough to lift a payload that weighs X amount going all the way up, would also be strong enough to lift the payload going all the way down

obviously if you load space rocks at the top that's a larger mass than the maximum that the elevator was rated for when hauling spaceship parts from the bottom then you'd have problems, but why would you do that

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:23

docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

obviously if you load space rocks at the top that's a larger mass than the maximum that the elevator was rated for when hauling spaceship parts from the bottom then you'd have problems, but why would you do that

Because stuff in space is weightless and weight and mass are the same thing I assume.

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:26

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

Atrocious Joe posted:

this is how liberals imagine the Supreme Court

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:27

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

Ytlaya posted:

Basically there's an extremely conspicuous lack of any remotely trust-worthy evidence of the worst claims (or claims about the magnitude of things like detentions). For example, take this BBC article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037

On first read, this sounds really bad. But what you start to notice as you look into this stuff is that literally every single citation for things like forced sterilization (which is what the genocide claims rest upon) always points to research by this guy Adrian Zenz. Zenz is a fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation (which is basically like being a fellow at the Heritage Foundation or something in terms of what it says about Zenz as a "scholar"). You'd think this is an exaggeration, but it is not. For example, the link in the article above when it references the forced sterilizations is this - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713 Everything always ends up being sourced to this guy. It's actually kind of fascinating how low-effort it all is; I'd normally expect some attempt to rope in more NGOs and academics.

gradenko_2000 made a really good post about it a while back.

this is now a couple months old but it's zenz all the way down

Atrocious Joe posted:

Don't worry, the US state is moving to crush China. It's got bipartisan approval.
https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/1373641018248212481?s=20

I swear to god, didn't the Post run this exact article a week ago?

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/sudipsparikh/status/1371408520529215488?s=20
https://twitter.com/PostOpinions/status/1373296820709953536?s=20
https://twitter.com/MiaFarrow/status/1210975448458563585?s=20

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1369803951521099782?s=20
https://twitter.com/GregGrandin/status/1369817582132412416?s=20

quote:

US to build anti-China missile network along first island chain

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. will bolster its conventional deterrence against China, establishing a network of precision-strike missiles along the so-called first island chain as part of $27.4 billion in spending to be considered for the Indo-Pacific theater over the next six years, Nikkei has learned.

They form the core proposals of the Pacific Deterrence Initiative that the U.S. Indo-Pacific Command has submitted to Congress and Nikkei has reviewed.

"The greatest danger to the future of the United States continues to be an erosion of conventional deterrence," the document said. "Without a valid and convincing conventional deterrent, China is emboldened to take action in the region and globally to supplant U.S. interests. As the Indo-Pacific's military balance becomes more unfavorable, the U.S. accumulates additional risk that may embolden adversaries to unilaterally attempt to change the status quo."

Specifically, it called for "the fielding of an Integrated Joint Force with precision-strike networks west of the International Date Line along the first island chain, integrated air missile defense in the second island chain, and a distributed force posture that provides the ability to preserve stability, and if needed, dispense and sustain combat operations for extended periods."

The first island chain consists of a group of islands including Taiwan, Okinawa and the Philippines, which China sees as the first line of defense. Beijing's "anti-access/area denial" strategy seeks to push American forces out of the East and South China seas within the first island chain.

China also seeks to keep U.S. forces from approaching the "second island chain" in the Western Pacific, which runs from southeastern Japan out to Guam and south to Indonesia.

The Indo-Pacific Command submitted an investment plan for fiscal 2022 through fiscal 2027 to Congress this month.

For fiscal 2022, it has requested $4.7 billion, which is more than double the $2.2 billion earmarked for the region in fiscal 2021, and is close to the roughly $5 billion Washington has spent annually on dealing with Russia.

quote:

Politico: In 2018, Diplomats Warned of Risky Coronavirus Experiments in a Wuhan Lab. No One Listened.

On January 15, in its last days, President Donald Trump’s State Department put out a statement with serious claims about the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic. The statement said the U.S. intelligence community had evidence that several researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology laboratory were sick with Covid-like symptoms in autumn 2019—implying the Chinese government had hidden crucial information about the outbreak for months—and that the WIV lab, despite “presenting itself as a civilian institution,” was conducting secret research projects with the Chinese military. The State Department alleged a Chinese government cover-up and asserted that “Beijing continues today to withhold vital information that scientists need to protect the world from this deadly virus, and the next one.”

...

In the spring of 2020, inside the U.S. government, some officials began to see and collect evidence of a different, perhaps more troubling theory—that the outbreak had a connection to one of the laboratories in Wuhan, among them the WIV, a world leading center of research on bat coronaviruses.

To some inside the government, the name of the laboratory was familiar. Its research on bat viruses had already drawn the attention of U.S. diplomats and officials at the Beijing Embassy in late 2017, prompting them to alert Washington that the lab’s own scientists had reported “a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory.”

But their cables to Washington were ignored.

Now, having established that there is bipartisan support for a hostile confrontation with China, now I need to inform you that it really is literally all just State Department propaganda:

Atrocious Joe posted:

The U.S. State Department’s Office of the Legal Advisor concluded earlier this year that China’s mass imprisonment and forced labor of ethnic Uighurs in Xinjiang amounts to crimes against humanity—but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/1369167008764399617

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/965597695728668672

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1309525989463130112

gradenko_2000 posted:

quote:

Here's two more where a mainstream news organization from my country re-reports a piece from Reuters about Xinjiang.

https://twitter.com/rapplerdotcom/status/1364012397309083652
https://twitter.com/rapplerdotcom/status/1357133197163827200

At the bottom of the second piece:

Last year, a report by a German researcher published by a Washington think tank accused China of using forced sterilization, forced abortion, and coercive family planning against minority Muslims.

Who do you think that German researcher is?

And going back to the CNN article, if you go all the way to the end, you find this:

The detention camps, which Beijing refers to as "vocational training centers," are described by officials and state media as being part of both a poverty alleviation campaign and a mass deradicalization program to combat terrorism.

"(But) you can simultaneously have an anti-terrorism campaign that is genocidal," said report contributor John Packer, associate professor at the University of Ottawa and former director of the Office of the OSCE High Commissioner on National Minorities in The Hague.

...

"This (is) not an advocacy document, we're not advocating any course of action whatsoever. There were no campaigners involved in this report, it was purely done by legal experts, area experts and China ethnic experts," he said.

But Packer said such a "serious breach of the international order" in the world's second-largest economy raised questions about the global governance. "If this is not sufficient to instigate some kind of action or even to take positions, then what actually is required?" he said.

So even in the context of "it's genocide by way of destruction of an ethnicity's culture", it's still being framed as being sufficient to be a call to action.

And I think everyone here is capable of imagining what kind of action that's going to come down to. Like, okay, the US is not going to issue a declaration of war against China. Then what? They impose economic sanctions on China? What happens if that doesn't slow them down? They impose more sanctions?

quote:

Here's an article from the Washington Post:

Academic faces Chinese lawsuit for exposing human rights abuses in Xinjiang

again, guess who the academic is?

Beijing has targeted a high-profile U.S.-based researcher whose work has been critical to exposing human rights abuses in China’s northwest, with state media reporting he is being sued by companies in the Xinjiang region.

In a telephone interview from his home in Minnesota on Tuesday night, Adrian Zenz said he believed the lawsuit was a sign that U.S. economic sanctions on the region were having a significant effect. He said Beijing was probably seeking to create a chilling effect on other researchers doing similar work.

...

The lawsuit comes as Zenz and other researchers have been building a case that Beijing’s treatment of ethnic minorities in Xinjiang meets the definition of “genocide” under the Geneva Conventions.

The United States has imposed economic sanctions on Xinjiang over the past year in response to evidence documented by researchers, including Zenz, of a mass campaign of detention and forced labor targeting Muslim Uyghurs in the region. The sanctions include a blanket ban on cotton from the region, which accounts for 87 percent of the cotton grown in China.

Zenz, who is German, began researching conditions in Xinjiang several years ago as an independent scholar, and since 2019 as a senior fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, a U.S.-based nonprofit organization.

...

Zenz was among more than 50 contributors to a lengthy report laying out the argument for a designation of genocide, which was released Tuesday by the Newlines Institute, a Washington-based think tank.

notice how Victims of Communism is merely characterized as a US-based nonprofit.

and then that report "released Tuesday by the Newlines Institute"? That was the one that CNN (and other media outlets) reported on, that I covered in my previous post. Stunningly, WaPo is willing to admit that Zenz was involved in that report, when other reporting didn't indicate it at all and only named the Think Tank. Indeed, you might even make the case that finding Zenz on the Contributor section of the About page of Newlines Institute wouldn't necessarily mean that he was involved in the report, and yet here is WaPo outright admitting it.

and the reason why I found this on my feed was that it was posted by Matt Duss, who was advising the Bernie Sanders campaign on foreign policy. Duss was supposed to a figure that was willing to go against The Blob of the American foreign policy establishment, and yet here he is towing the line expressed by both the Trump and Biden administrations.

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1364051137578602501
https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1364054462374019072
https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1364056074026971136
https://twitter.com/andraydomise/status/1364056989614145537

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1372712095633043461

if you read the article you'll find that CNN was able to find both the parents AND the kids, and speak to them, and put the kids in contact with the parents.

also, the article makes frequent reference to this earlier article from February: https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2020/02/asia/xinjiang-china-karakax-document-intl-hnk/

which, you guessed it:

and then also this article: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/21/asia/xinjiang-china-response-sterilization-intl-hnk/index.html

and then it also links back to the Newlines Institute Report that we've seen earlier

yellowcar posted:

gradenko_2000 posted:

Comrade Koba posted:

so I happened to see an article today about poverty eradication in China that reminded me of the recent discussion in this thread about anti-China narratives in Europe.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/zgx7vO/dyr-fattigdomsbekampning-ger-resultat-i-kina
for those of you not fluent in weird nordic moon languages, the tl;dr is that according to a particular "china expert", China hasn't really eradicated extreme poverty, because if you ignore the international poverty threshold and use a completely different one, it turns out China still has millions of poor people!

so who's the expert? let's find out!

"Institute for Security and Development Policy", huh?

oh. cool.

yellowcar posted:

oops all CIA

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:28

fart simpson: Jul 2, 2005; DEATH TO AMERICA

gradenko_2000 posted:

Whataboutism owns, actually

America got called out so hard they invented an entirely new word just to deflect

i saw someone in uspol go "but at least its not as bad as china" on something and ill give you 3 guesses how many people shouted "whataboutism!"

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:30

Grey Fox: Jan 5, 2004

luv my mushmouth prez https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1411843735797649413

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:30

docbeard: Jul 19, 2011

And to everyone else in the world, no you're not allowed to make your own vaccines.

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:32

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1410992285525946372

it's sundown in America

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:45

yellowcar: Feb 14, 2010

sexpig by night posted:

it's gonna own when the equator gets loving belted by collapsing wires

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moOykmDIFsE

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:48

yellowcar: Feb 14, 2010

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1410992285525946372

it's sundown in America

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj_q-Dvzbqc

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:56

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

Mirthless posted:

the claims about what are happening to the Uighur people seem beyond belief to an extreme but if these things are actually happening, by being a voice of skepticism I'm enabling genocide

i can't ignore the way that western media exploits narratives that are damaging to socialist regimes and i have a very hard time trusting their objectivity anymore, which really sucks for anyone suffering in the world I guess

# ? Jul 5, 2021 01:59

Crusader: Apr 11, 2002

gradenko_2000 posted:

it's sundown in America

# ? Jul 5, 2021 02:07

Nothus: Feb 22, 2001; Buglord

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1410992285525946372

it's sundown in America

Thread title

# ? Jul 5, 2021 02:08

fits my needs: Jan 1, 2011; Grimey Drawer

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1411854409001230344?s=20

# ? Jul 5, 2021 02:09

RadiRoot: Feb 3, 2007

fits my needs posted:

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1411854409001230344?s=20

service guarantees citizenship

# ? Jul 5, 2021 02:20

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

this is now a couple months old but it's zenz all the way down

Now, having established that there is bipartisan support for a hostile confrontation with China, now I need to inform you that it really is literally all just State Department propaganda:

a couple thoughts thoughts:
1. I work at a US electronics manufacturer and our supply chains are still completely hosed from covid and trump admin fuckery with China. more trade stuff is just going to add another random 2-3 month delay on basic components like resistors and transistors and only gently caress over Americans.
2. one of the zenz articles uses evidence that the rate of tubal ligations increased by 5 times in the last several years. what was left out is that tubal ligations are one of the most common procedures in the world and the quoted number was lower per capita than the US.
3. Chinese enforcement of the ~~onetwo~~three child policy is kinda hosed up but that has nothing specifically to do with the Uighur.
4. its darkly funny that the people that yell �SPEAK ENGLISH THIS IS AMERICA� are using their counterparts in China yelling �SPEAK MANDARIN THIS IS CHINA� (well whatever that is in mandarin) as evidence of genocide

# ? Jul 5, 2021 02:27

Uncle Wemus: Mar 4, 2004

It's the lefts fault dems aren't doing poo poo

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/democrats-need-choose-path-voting-rights/619022/

# ? Jul 5, 2021 02:27

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

We should build a big ring space station around earth, that would be cool and would fix the support problem or whatever

# ? Jul 5, 2021 02:36

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Grapplejack posted:

We should build a big ring space station around earth, that would be cool and would fix the support problem or whatever

we should just crash a big meteor into the planet and hope that whatever evolves intelligence next doesn't discover petroleum

Raskolnikov38 has issued a correction as of 02:55 on Jul 5, 2021

# ? Jul 5, 2021 02:52

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

Uncle Wemus posted:

It's the lefts fault dems aren't doing poo poo

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/democrats-need-choose-path-voting-rights/619022/

About the author: David Frum is a staff writer at The Atlantic and the author of Trumpocalypse: Restoring American Democracy (2020). In 2001 and 2002, he was a speechwriter for President George W. Bush.

# ? Jul 5, 2021 02:53

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

remember how we used to make fun of republicans for defaulting to but nine eleven in response to every criticism no matter how irrelevant to nine eleven

liberals apparently unironically believe this was a sick burn and are now trying to reproduce the same effect with january sixth

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:10

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

Pamela Springstein posted:

under communism youre not allowed to post 'healthcare pls'

Too hosed up

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:16

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

Lauren Boebert is an incredibly funny name, I can't believe it's real lol

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:23

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

disapproving drake: the succ zone

approving drake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNqQabC3kKM

the zucc zone

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:29

the_steve: Nov 9, 2005; We're always hiring!

Uncle Wemus posted:

It's the lefts fault dems aren't doing poo poo

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/democrats-need-choose-path-voting-rights/619022/

When will we leftists learn that true progress can only come from backing away from good things and giving Republicans everything they want?

"If we keep calling their bluffs by continuing to give them everything they demand, the football will kick itself, and then they'll look stupid! :downs:

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:32

BRAKE FOR MOOSE: Jun 6, 2001

Some Guy TT posted:

disapproving drake: the succ zone

approving drake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNqQabC3kKM

the zucc zone

your move, elon

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:33

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

Some Guy TT posted:

disapproving drake: the succ zone

approving drake:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNqQabC3kKM

the zucc zone

dicc succerberg

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:36

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

Raskolnikov38 posted:

very broadly the CPC in beijing and urumqi decided to launch a program of mass detainment of anyone they deemed a risk of radicalization following years of terrorist attacks in the region. their definition of "at risk for radicalization" was extremely broad to the point of any uighur who i guess didn't commit apostasy against islam weekly was liable to be picked up by the cops and sent to re-education camps to combat their supposed radicalization. the goal/purpose/actual effect of the camps seems to be to drive uighurs away from islam and forcibly assimilate them by promotion of more generalized chinese culture and the usage of chinese over their native tongue.

the camps, like any detainment/prison system operated outside of like norway, are rife with human right abuses due to administrators and officials not giving a gently caress. its like a giant stop and frisk program except the frisking is metadata and they just send you to attica.

what has not been shown to be happening is executions/mass murder of detainees or mass sterilization as claimed by zenz

This is my basic understanding as well, though I lack enough knowledge to argue it. My uninformed take was that it felt most similar to the forced enrolment of original peoples in Australia, Canada, US etc. for the purpose of mandatory assimilation

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:39

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

Rectal Death Adept posted:

I wonder if the United States is too many turns behind in Research Points if it's just a matter of allocating them correctly. Sounds like China is going for a technological victory.

The US could have built a spaceship and wrapped this game up long ago but instead they keep wasting Production on swarms of Cruise Missiles against single Guerrilla units. Maybe they're going for some gimmick Domination victory?

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:43

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

if the goal is to drive Uighurs away from Islam they're doing a poor job considering the multiple mosques and general Islamic community cornerstones they not only allow to exist but actively support as cultural heritage aspects inherent to the region.

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:46

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

Il Federale posted:

glad to see one of the lemon party guys is still alive

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:52

yellowcar: Feb 14, 2010

spacemang_spliff posted:

Lauren Boebert is an incredibly funny name, I can't believe it's real lol

the funniest thing about lauren boebert is her open carry themed bbq restaurant gave everyone diarrhea lol

https://www.salon.com/2020/07/14/pork-sliders-sold-by-republican-house-candidate-who-supports-qanon-gave-customers-diarrhea-records/

# ? Jul 5, 2021 03:59

sexpig by night: Sep 8, 2011; by Azathoth

Lauren Boebert's Pants Wrecking BBQ Pit

now featuring a 24/7 brown gravy fountain

# ? Jul 5, 2021 04:03

PoontifexMacksimus: Feb 14, 2012

Raskolnikov38 posted:

we should just crash a big meteor into the planet and hope that whatever evolves intelligence next doesn't discover petroleum

Unfortunately even if we use up all reserves now, by then WE'LL be the petroleum

# ? Jul 5, 2021 04:04

Willa Rogers: Mar 11, 2005

gradenko_2000 posted:

it's sundown in America

Nothus posted:

Thread title

# ? Jul 5, 2021 04:05

Catpetter1981: Apr 9, 2020; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Get a grip, we can fix things and govern responsibly. Things can get better.

# ? Jul 5, 2021 04:05

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/sadmonsters/status/1411086690966556674

i continue to be impressed that liberals think theyre scoring massive dunks by countering extremely dumb comments with even more extremishly dumberer comments

# ? Jul 5, 2021 04:10

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRickyDavila/status/1411719739374653446

# ? Jul 5, 2021 04:14

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Bootleg Trunks: Jun 12, 2020

bidens not bleeding its victory wine

# ? Jul 5, 2021 04:19

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