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I would hang out with diogenes and eat chicken.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:00
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Borrovan posted:Nihilism is just absurdism but stopping before you get to the conclusion Nihilism does seem like something we are going to have to confront as a species. The hunt for finding meaning, how we define meaning etc.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:01
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e: ^^^that's what absurdism is for!!OwlFancier posted:I would hang out with diogenes and choke the chicken.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:01
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Pot Noodle tastes like shredded cardboard with dried up peas they found down the back of a radiator, if there isn't a stigma against whatever Faustian pact it takes to make your taste buds tolerate them then there loving should be. The broth deffo has all the flavour but that's fine. The Myth of Sisyphus should be taught in primary school
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Jul 6, 2021 15:03
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Absurdism is very good yes.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:03
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OwlFancier posted:I would hang out with diogenes and eat chicken. It would never work out. He's looking for an honest man.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:04
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The music industry is saved: https://twitter.com/TheIDSmiths/status/1304038190173614085
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Jul 6, 2021 15:07
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I've never heard you say this but it definitely tracks as my primary school did show and tell as a semi-regular thing and, well, my posting. Seconding this, we did it every week and now the only skill I’ve ever really used is ‘talking good’
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Jul 6, 2021 15:08
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I don't know much about absurdism beyond the art. Is it just "things are weird, lol"?
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Jul 6, 2021 15:08
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I think philosophically it goes Nihilism: Life has no inhernet meaning (I am sad about this) Absurdism: Life has no inherent meaning (so any meaning you make up is as valid as any meaning possibly can be, lmao) The idea essentially that in the absence of meaning human behaviour is absurd, but we shouldn't be angsty about that because in the absence of imposed meaning we are free to develop our own, and we should develop meanings that make us happy. Existentialism is somewhere in the middle of those two but I forget the specific distinctions. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Jul 6, 2021 15:10
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OwlFancier posted:I was helping a friend clear out some rubbish the other day and she threw out (into charity boxes) all her philosophy books except nietzche and hume while proclaiming that nothing else was worth reading especially wittgenstein. Your post reminds me of this: 
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Jul 6, 2021 15:12
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OwlFancier posted:I think philosophically it goes I think that's more properly existentialism. Absurdism is more preoccupied with, well, the absurd.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:13
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Absurdism is for cowards who believe in stuff like "essence" and "authenticity" and are unwilling to face the void for real E I suppose I'm having more of a go at Sartre than, like, Camus here, so as above, pretend I said Existentialism
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Jul 6, 2021 15:13
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OwlFancier posted:I think philosophically it goes forkboy84 posted:The Myth of Sisyphus should be taught in primary school
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Jul 6, 2021 15:13
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Darth Walrus posted:I think that's more properly existentialism. Absurdism is more preoccupied with, well, the absurd. Wikipedia apparently has a helpful chart!  Nihilism: No
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Jul 6, 2021 15:15
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From past experience I would disagree. I can want to be a good person and still make folks uncomfortable or upset. If you just make up your own meaning then what if you are wrong
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Jul 6, 2021 15:16
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Jedit posted:It would never work out. He's looking for an honest man. Antigravitas posted:Your post reminds me of this:  
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Jul 6, 2021 15:16
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Absurdism: a thread that lurches from Hegel to Marx through Pot Noodles via dolls' houses, Labour woes and the housing crisis all in 24 hours. So happy I found you 
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Jul 6, 2021 15:17
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:As a noodle connoisseur, shin ramyun is a solid pick. Indomie Mie Goreng is also a classic. Sam yang are the angry chicken noodles right? Yeah theyr the best just too spicy
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Jul 6, 2021 15:17
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Spinoza in 'normie' is very unsettling.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:18
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Barry Foster posted:Absurdism is for cowards who believe in stuff like "essence" and "authenticity" and are unwilling to face the void for real I would bet you can't face the void either and have replaced it with an empty paper bag with the word 'void' written on it in crayon. Philosophically.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:18
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Josef bugman posted:From past experience I would disagree. I can want to be a good person and still make folks uncomfortable or upset. If you just make up your own meaning then what if you are wrong Then you are wrong, and plenty of people manage to be wrong while believing in objective truth and meaning, it doesn't seem to be a big help, possibly because I would suggest that if there is an objective truth and meaning then humans at the very least are not capable of accessing it, so we are left either way to fend for ourselves. If you want meaning you're fumbling in the dark looking for it whatever you do, so IMO letting go of the expectation of finding it is important for helping make the inevitable failures more bearable as well as helping to contextualise the successes as very impressive, given the circumstances. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Jul 6, 2021 15:19
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Guavanaut posted:In some readings, just a man, because he doesn't think any of the people he meets at the market do enough strong brainthoughts to qualify. Big 'sheeple' energy. I like this chart because I think it's saying Camus is good (which he is). It also seems to be saying Rand is bad. Beyond that I'm not sure.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:19
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Absurdism: forkboy84 posted:The broth deffo has all the flavour but that's fine.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:20
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Foucault under "soy" is also deeply suspect.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:20
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Regarde Aduck posted:I would bet you can't face the void either and have replaced it with an empty paper bag with the word 'void' written on it in crayon. Philosophically. Who the gently caress said I wasn't a coward, dickhead
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Jul 6, 2021 15:21
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Finally found the thing I was actually looking for! I think that settles the absurdism/nihilism debate.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:25
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Darth Walrus posted:I think that's more properly existentialism. Absurdism is more preoccupied with, well, the absurd. I'd say that absurdism is an offshoot of existentialism. Existentialism says "there is meaning but is not inherent, it's what we ascribe meaning to", absurdism takes it a step further: "death renders all meaning futile, but that doesn't mean you should strive to find it anyway". This leaves you with a couple options: suicide, an act of embracing that meaningless, "a leap of faith" to find meaning elsewhere, ie religious faith, or acknowledging the absurdity of that existence and revolting against the that meaninglessness, where lies a philosophical freedom. Coming to peace with the absurdity in life/existence allows you to reach a state comparable to a zen inner peace. Hence why "one must imagine Sisyphus as happy".
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Jul 6, 2021 15:26
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Regarde Aduck posted:an empty paper bag with the word 'void' written on it in crayon josh04 posted:Foucault under "soy" is also deeply suspect.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:27
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Guavanaut posted:As Zizek said of any successful Soy Schopenhauer/Toxic Schopenhauer fans is particularly on the money, lol.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:29
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OwlFancier posted:Nihilism: No I like the Russian Nihilists of the 19th century, they killed Tsars & poo poo. One day I will read Chernyshevsky's What Is To Be Done? But yes, "Nihilism: no" is about as succinct summary of a philosophical position as I've seen.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:31
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Yeah talking more about it I am remembering the distinction better, and the issue I mainly would take with existentialism is that if you spend all your time constructing meaning then when the world, as it is liable to do, kicks over your sandcastle, it is really hard to recover from. It is useful to be able to laugh at just how... ridiculous it is, there is no objective meaning, you spend a lot of effort trying to make it, but it all comes to dust anyway. But you still don't stop doing it. I guess spending so much of my life dealing with suicidal impulses makes it hit home a bit more, cos it sometimes feels like a description of my life. I don't really know why I am doing it, I know full well there's no divinely mandated reason for me to do it, I can't even know if the reasons I construct to do it are worthwhile and I definitely know I will end up in the same place regardless, eventually, but for some reason I still keep doing it and I still keep imagining that there is a reason why. It is absurd, ridiculous, but as long as I am here I don't know that I would really want it to be otherwise. Sisyphus indeed.
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Jul 6, 2021 15:32
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forkboy84 posted:I'd say that absurdism is an offshoot of existentialism. Existentialism says "there is meaning but is not inherent, it's what we ascribe meaning to", absurdism takes it a step further: "death renders all meaning futile, but that doesn't mean you should strive to find it anyway". This leaves you with a couple options: suicide, an act of embracing that meaningless, "a leap of faith" to find meaning elsewhere, ie religious faith, or acknowledging the absurdity of that existence and revolting against the that meaninglessness, where lies a philosophical freedom. Coming to peace with the absurdity in life/existence allows you to reach a state comparable to a zen inner peace. Hence why "one must imagine Sisyphus as happy". This + meditation cured* my depression, I highly recommend it! *mostly treated the symptoms of
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Jul 6, 2021 15:36
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I'd be down with absurdism if it wasn't death that rendered it all meaningless. I don't think death does render life meaningless, or obliterate the meaning it had - to me the meaning lives on past the person, but only so far as society does. Some people's actions have meaning thousands of years past their deaths, and sadly the meaning of some people's lives is completely extinguished only a short time after, if it existed ever. That's not a judgement of their value, just how I see meaning. So I'd go with absurdism if it was less death that was the endpoint of meaning and more 'an endpoint will ALWAYS come eventually, so don't worry too much about it'. If there's one thing the last couple of years has shown is that life really is just chaos - no real rhyme or reason outside of the fragile structures we create. I think that's maybe why conspiracy people go that way - even if the people pulling the strings are evil, poo poo, at least someone's pulling the strings and it's not just a load of haunted marionettes caught in a hurricane.
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Jul 6, 2021 16:03
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Josef bugman posted:From past experience I would disagree. I can want to be a good person and still make folks uncomfortable or upset. If you just make up your own meaning then what if you are wrong The point of existentialism is that if you're wrong about what gives joy and fulfilment to you and those you care about, then you're just wrong, nothing more. You can learn from your mistakes and find something better, and the act of learning is also a perfectly acceptable way to give your life meaning and purpose. If your life only has the value you give it, then so do your mistakes - there is no objective measure of sin for you to weigh yourself against and find yourself wanting.
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Jul 6, 2021 16:04
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Jakabite posted:I'd be down with absurdism if it wasn't death that rendered it all meaningless. I don't think death does render life meaningless, or obliterate the meaning it had - to me the meaning lives on past the person, but only so far as society does. Some people's actions have meaning thousands of years past their deaths, and sadly the meaning of some people's lives is completely extinguished only a short time after, if it existed ever. That's not a judgement of their value, just how I see meaning. So I'd go with absurdism if it was less death that was the endpoint of meaning and more 'an endpoint will ALWAYS come eventually, so don't worry too much about it'. If there's one thing the last couple of years has shown is that life really is just chaos - no real rhyme or reason outside of the fragile structures we create. I think that's maybe why conspiracy people go that way - even if the people pulling the strings are evil, poo poo, at least someone's pulling the strings and it's not just a load of haunted marionettes caught in a hurricane. I believe this was at least partially addressed by the philosopher S. Snake at the conclusion of their work Sons of Liberty (2001).
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Jul 6, 2021 16:08
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OwlFancier posted:I would hang out with diogenes and eat chicken. didnt we already cancel arnie hammer for cannibalism
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Jul 6, 2021 16:17
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This debate about philosophy is fascinating. It also made me wonder what my own personal belief system would align with in the world of philosophy. Turns out the best fit seems to be... metaphysical Solipsism? Well, I guess I should read some books about this then
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Jul 6, 2021 16:21
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goddamnedtwisto posted:There *is* some science to economics, but the problem is that subatomic particles don't change their behaviour based on the laws of physics so it's never going to be *science* science. The only science in economics is behavioral psychology in a trench coat. Also, economics "models" are unworthy of the name, and discredit other scientific models (eg climate models) just by being compared to them. Higher Economics is about getting lost in increasing complex mathematics, because of the paucity of existing observations to actually build a model off and the inability to get more of them. Nothingtoseehere fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Jul 6, 2021 |
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Jul 6, 2021 16:23
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Nothingtoseehere posted:The only science is economics is behavioral psychology in a trench coat.
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