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lilljonas posted:Ok Goons, I'm thinking of trying my luck on making my first miniatures cast through kickstarter. This will probably be a project I'll spend the Summer and early Autumn preparing for, and now I'm making a list of things that I need to do before pulling the trigger. I'm looking for advice on things that I might have forgotten. quoting a truly excellent duck mini
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hypnophant posted:quoting a truly excellent duck mini Thanks! Not gonna lie, one reason I want to make the kickstarter is that I want to paint up a band of duck adventurer for our local Frostgrave campaign. :P
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Do not gently caress with the ducks
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Jul 8, 2021 16:41
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Duck adventurers are great. But have you considered a special edition where you glob on thick black paint and sell them at twice the price? For skilled players, who can remember which is which even in bad lighting.
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Jul 8, 2021 16:49
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Infinitum posted:Do not gently caress with the ducks Ducks: gently caress Around and Find Out
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lilljonas posted:Ok Goons, I'm thinking of trying my luck on making my first miniatures cast through kickstarter. This will probably be a project I'll spend the Summer and early Autumn preparing for, and now I'm making a list of things that I need to do before pulling the trigger. I'm looking for advice on things that I might have forgotten. I don't know how it works if you're in the EU and shipping to someone else in the EU, but I would double and triple check all the VAT stuff. I sell a lot of minis to the EU but thankfully the platform I sell on handles the VAT for me so I don't have to worry about it other than putting some info on the mailing labels, but I can see that being a nightmare to navigate for someone in your position. One piece of advice -- I follow (and back) a huge number of mini kickstarters and one mistake I see over and over again is people just posting images of their greens. They are tricky to photograph correctly because the putty is quite shiny, and honestly can give a bad impression if that's all you've got. I would look into a painting service to really showcase your finished minis if at all possible.
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Jul 8, 2021 17:11
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Does anyone regularly watch Dice Tower's Crowdsurfing episodes? I'm not exactly a fan of Dice Tower, but I watched this week's episode (Heckin Hounds was featured) and I'm torn. I went in expecting an informative look at ongoing Kickstarters, and maybe some discussion of what they did well or not. On a few of the campaigns they highlighted, that appears to be the case, but on others they didn't seem to do much due diligence or research prior to pulling the page up and quickly scrolling through it. One particular campaign they dinged for not having a how to play section, when it seems the campaign's page just didn't load properly. In Heckin Hounds' case, Tom's main complaint was being skeptical of the player count and questioning whether the game was good (which, like, isn't his job to tell us whether a game is good?). The back half of the episode was just them dunking on bad Kickstarters. Which kinda lends me to think they don't really care if Crowdsurfing is accurate and informative, and that they're more than willing to punch down on campaigns for entertainment purposes.
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InternetJunky posted:I don't know how it works if you're in the EU and shipping to someone else in the EU, but I would double and triple check all the VAT stuff. I sell a lot of minis to the EU but thankfully the platform I sell on handles the VAT for me so I don't have to worry about it other than putting some info on the mailing labels, but I can see that being a nightmare to navigate for someone in your position. VAT is, afaik, one of the smallest issues starting out. Basically in Swedish tax law, a revenue of less than 30 000 SEK/year (3 500 USD) can count as a hobby, and you don't need to file for VAT. If the profit from the hobby is less than 20 000 SEK (2 300 USD) it's tax exempt as well. So unless the ducks end up far more popular than I expected, VAT is not something I have to worry about when starting out. As for greens, I see your point. However, getting miniatures for nice pictures of painted copies would mean, well, getting the minis cast first. So it moves the goal of the project from funding the making of the molds to recovering the cost of making the molds. Though it might be easier to succeed in the latter, as you point out: shiny greens are notoriously worse looking than a nicely painted mini. Maybe a half-ways solution could work, where I make one mold of 6-8 minis, paint them up, and then try to fund the rest of the range (including stretch goals)?
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Frozen Peach posted:Does anyone regularly watch Dice Tower's Crowdsurfing episodes? I'm not exactly a fan of Dice Tower, but I watched this week's episode (Heckin Hounds was featured) and I'm torn. I went in expecting an informative look at ongoing Kickstarters, and maybe some discussion of what they did well or not. On a few of the campaigns they highlighted, that appears to be the case, but on others they didn't seem to do much due diligence or research prior to pulling the page up and quickly scrolling through it. In general they typically wait for games to release in retail before doing a serious review of them. It's something that comes up a lot, and they always comment on in some way. I've never watched that particular series though (croudsourcing episodes) I've watched enough dicetower reviews at this point to expect them to be generally critical and or suspect with respect to kickstarter stuff. I suspect that others who watch their reviews have observed the same thing. I really only watch them because Tom likes a decent number of games that I like, so while I'm not a big fan of his review style I can get some sense of whether a game is something I might like. Essentially, I wouldn't worry about it. I doubt that it lost you any backers, and if anything it put the name into people's heads who wouldn't have heard of it otherwise. If they see it again they might think "Oh I heard something about this before..."
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Jul 8, 2021 19:16
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armorer posted:Essentially, I wouldn't worry about it. I doubt that it lost you any backers, and if anything it put the name into people's heads who wouldn't have heard of it otherwise. If they see it again they might think "Oh I heard something about this before..." I'm honestly not too worried. I wrote a lot more words in the hounds' thread. I'm mostly curious about the Crowdsurfing series since it's new to me.
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lilljonas posted:VAT is, afaik, one of the smallest issues starting out. Basically in Swedish tax law, a revenue of less than 30 000 SEK/year (3 500 USD) can count as a hobby, and you don't need to file for VAT. If the profit from the hobby is less than 20 000 SEK (2 300 USD) it's tax exempt as well. So unless the ducks end up far more popular than I expected, VAT is not something I have to worry about when starting out. quote:As for greens, I see your point. However, getting miniatures for nice pictures of painted copies would mean, well, getting the minis cast first. So it moves the goal of the project from funding the making of the molds to recovering the cost of making the molds. Though it might be easier to succeed in the latter, as you point out: shiny greens are notoriously worse looking than a nicely painted mini. Maybe a half-ways solution could work, where I make one mold of 6-8 minis, paint them up, and then try to fund the rest of the range (including stretch goals)?
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InternetJunky posted:You would know better than me, I just mentioned it because it's an issue for me sending stuff to the UK and EU now so I wasn't sure if it's something you might have to worry about as well. The difference of registering for VAT would be that it would simplify tax issues when doing business with other companies, for example if I would sell directly to a Swedish webshop. So it might be worth doing it from the start if I find anyone interested. From my cursory glance, it's not THAT much extra paperwork to register. Another question: you sell minis, right? I'm thinking a lot about packaging, i.e. to sell them one by one, pairs or bigger packs. I understand that the disadvantage of single items would be that if a few specific mini turns out much more popular, I might be left sitting with tons of extra unsold minis if I do mixed molds. Have you noticed any huge difference from customers interest depending on how you sell the minis? Or you're mainly doing 3D printed minis? lilljonas fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 8, 2021 |
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Jul 8, 2021 20:55
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lilljonas posted:Another question: you sell minis, right? I'm thinking a lot about packaging, i.e. to sell them one by one, pairs or bigger packs. I understand that the disadvantage of single items would be that if a few specific mini turns out much more popular, I might be left sitting with tons of extra unsold minis if I do mixed molds. Have you noticed any huge difference from customers interest depending on how you sell the minis? Or you're mainly doing 3D printed minis?
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I have no technical or business advice to offer, but I will chime in to say that the duck you've shown is fantastic and you are making the world a better place.
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InternetJunky posted:It's all 3D printed minis I sell, but based on my own experiences selling minis from sets, you would definitely benefit from being able to sell singles if at all possible. A huge part of my business is selling a single miniature for $11 + $18 shipping because that miniature just happens to be "the perfect mini for my D&D game!" The same customer has no interest in the complete set. I'm not sure how comparable my customers are to the ones you might attract with your project however. Yeah, I think I'll just have to bite the bullet and factor in that I think a large part of the target market will be people saying "whoa a barbarian duck! I want to paint that", rather than wanting 3-4 extra ducks with that barbarian duck. From the replies when I've posted the greens in various facebook groups, it's been either "I'd want that specific sculpt" or "I'll buy all of them no questions asked". So singles and bigger sets with a discount might be the way to go. Voyager I posted:I have no technical or business advice to offer, but I will chime in to say that the duck you've shown is fantastic and you are making the world a better place. Thanks! Here's a few more:  A bill duck (of course)  A thug duck  A smug duck
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lilljonas posted:"I'll buy all of them no questions asked" This is me, I want the ducks.
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Winklebottom posted:This is me, I want the ducks. Great  I'll be sculpting all Summer to gear up, so I'm taking ideas if there's a specific type of duck adventurer you'd like me to try to sculpt for the set. Currently working on archers and mages. My thief sculpts ended up pretty boring so I'll go back and revisit them after that.
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lilljonas posted:Great Just throwing some ideas out here: undead/skeleton, chef, bard… tavern drunk 
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lilljonas posted:Great If you're going the KoDP route 
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lilljonas posted:Great Sailor/pirate duck (duckaneer), a duck blackguard, a duck friar/monk, a duck musketeer, or any reason to have a duck with a firearm (possibly a duckfoot pistol which are those silly one-shot pistols with a bunch of barrels fanned out like a duck's foot)
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As an alternative, perhaps a goose?
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These are all great ideas. I already considered a bitter drunk skald (Arne) and a goose, but a ducksknecht and some firearms-toting duck sounds like a lot of fun too.
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Duck Snake Priestess.
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lilljonas posted:Great 3 small ducks in a trench coat. Artificer duck with a metal leg. Witch duck. Business duck with a top hat and cane. Honestly you’d probably do well to have a few that are blatantly Ducktales characters with the serial numbers filed off. (Like all of my other suggestions).
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Infinitum posted:What the hell is happening here...
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The Grimm Grip: Finally a shaft you can really get your hands around while you address fine detail work on the head.
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Splitting your Kickstarter by region is certainly something I've never seen before. Probably because it increases your chance of none of them funding.
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quote:"I'm afraid we have some bad news for backers in Norway. The recent changes in legislation have created severe difficulties for us to deliver pledges to Norway in our recent campaigns. The situation got to an unsustainable point where we have no other choice but to simply cease delivering pledges to Norway. We understand and share in your frustration, but regrettably we will be fully refunding all pledges to Norway and blocking any such pledges for the foreseeable future." I saw this in an email from a thing I kickstarted. I'm not in Norway so it doesn't affect me, but I'm curious what the reason is. Anyone know? (It's the Marvel United X-Men expansion so I doubt it can be that photoediting declaration one.)
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Aphrodite posted:I saw this in an email from a thing I kickstarted. I'm not in Norway so it doesn't affect me, but I'm curious what the reason is. Anyone know? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApOz6BaW2lU e: People in Kickstarter comments are also saying it's only Shipquest that has these problems. gschmidl fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jul 9, 2021 |
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Witcher Old World finally has a WIP rulebook out, it's a dropbox link in the latest update. Reading the new Old World WIP rulebook by itself feels a bit hard to zero in on anything, personally. Maybe someone more insightful will give a critique. Thinking about the game reminds me of some things I really liked about the (otherwise flawed) Witcher Adventure Game. One thing I liked was how "leveling up" was handled. You simply spent an action, drew two (or three, don't remember) new abilities, and kept one of them. No skill check or XP or anything in the way. Also:
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Spire's End: Hildegard is on. It's a neat-looking 1(-2)-player card-based gamebook sort of thing, a lighthearted sequel to a darker original game. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/favro/spires-end-hildegard The main reason I'm posting it, though, is that they put it in the Playing Cards category.  I can't help thinking that'll hurt them.Also there's a Rat Queens game. Is that IP still unfortunately tied to the guy I remember being problematic enough he left the comic team?
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Spire’s End was fantastic so I’m definitely in on that.
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90s Cringe Rock posted:
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CaptainApathyUK posted:I've totally lost track at this point. I remember when it first came out that he'd been an abusive scumbag, and he was replaced as artist - but I think at least once he ended up returning for some reason? I want to say the charges were dropped, but more likely everyone just forgot all about that mess. Still, yikes.
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I asked if he was involved or making money off it in any way. "Roc was not involved in the creation of the game, nor is he part of our contract on the game. He does have a creator credit for the Rat Queens universe, as he is indeed an original creator and legally any Rat Queens project has to acknowledge him as one of the two original creators."
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It reads to me like he might get royalties or something for creator credit, but ianal.
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Also, "thanks for the answer." "Absolutely! We understand even that association might be a breaking point for some, and any choice to avoid the project because of it is entirely valid."Lord_Hambrose posted:Is that a No? Or just as far as they know. My original question was if he was involved or making money in any way, directly or indirectly, which may account for the overly-cautious wording on their part. The comics people might have a deal to give him a cut of their share under the table or something. Given that, it reads to me as a solid enough no that I'll check back and consider backing later on in the project.
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