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learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Were you really travelling ~2 hours a day on public transport into virus hotspot Leicester at the height of the pandemic? Why?

No. We have special disability transport buses/taxies. One of my roles during lockdown was as an escort to schools and medical appointments for young people with special needs, it required me to go into repeated total quarantine for 2 weeks if I ever left the bubble. I didn’t go on public transport for over a year.

learnincurve fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Jul 8, 2021

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a Loving Dog
May 12, 2001

more like a Barking Dog, woof!

Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:

Reddit is not the real world. Don't be a disingenuous poo poo.

I'm vaxxed and want the chuds dead now. That's why I don't wear a mask, to encourage them to loving kill themselves with stupidity.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Thanks grandma killer.

smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

Pistol_Pete posted:

When you're projecting a trend forwards with so many variables involved (many of which are highly uncertain anyway), you can conclude pretty much anything you like, depending on how you tweak the numbers that you feed into the model.

No wonder Nate Silver has a raging hard on for covid, it all makes sense now.

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


NYTimes has a piece out about the French study on the Delta variant and how effective vaccines are against it...

How does the Delta variant dodge the immune system? Scientists find clues.

quote:

The Delta variant of the coronavirus can evade antibodies that target certain parts of the virus, according to a new study published on Thursday in Nature. The findings provide an explanation for diminished effectiveness of the vaccines against Delta, compared with other variants.

The variant, first identified in India, is believed to be about 60 percent more contagious than Alpha, the version of the virus that thrashed Britain and much of Europe earlier this year, and perhaps twice as contagious as the original coronavirus. The Delta variant is now driving outbreaks among unvaccinated populations in countries like Malaysia, Portugal, Indonesia and Australia.

Delta is now the dominant variant in the United States. Infections in this country had plateaued at their lowest levels since early in the pandemic, although the numbers may be rising, while hospitalizations and deaths related to the virus have continued a steep plunge. That’s partly because of relatively high vaccination rates: 48 percent of Americans are fully vaccinated, and 55 percent have received at least one dose.

[...]
The team also analyzed samples from 59 people after they had received the first and second doses of the AstraZeneca or Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines.

Blood samples from just 10 percent of people immunized with one dose of the AstraZeneca or the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines were able to neutralize the Delta and Beta variants in laboratory experiments. But a second dose boosted that number to 95 percent. There was no major difference in the levels of antibodies elicited by the two vaccines.

So basically, get your second jab if you haven't already.

Purgatory Glory
Feb 20, 2005

LanceHunter posted:

NYTimes has a piece out about the French study on the Delta variant and how effective vaccines are against it...

How does the Delta variant dodge the immune system? Scientists find clues.

So basically, get your second jab if you haven't already.

Genuine question, has 2nd jab hesitancy been a thing anywhere?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Purgatory Glory posted:

Genuine question, has 2nd jab hesitancy been a thing anywhere?

Sometimes with AstraZeneca

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
FYI friend goons: Reacting to AZ after the first jab is very common, but having no reaction after at all after the second jab is also incredibly common verging on usual.

LanceHunter
Nov 12, 2016

Beautiful People Club


Purgatory Glory posted:

Genuine question, has 2nd jab hesitancy been a thing anywhere?

I don't know if it's hesitancy so much as either being in a place where it's harder to get a 2nd jab, or just some amount of people putting it off for the typical reasons one delays an appointment (too busy, too stressed for the extra logistical work, etc).

Blitter
Mar 16, 2011

Intellectual
AI Enthusiast

Purgatory Glory posted:

Genuine question, has 2nd jab hesitancy been a thing anywhere?

Something like 15 million Americans haven't bothered to get their second shot.

:shrug:

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel
The vaccination "hesitancy" (refusal) pisses me off so much. As usual, they're loving it up for the rest of us. Well, mostly themselves. I get if some people aren't able to schedule their second one or had other complications getting it but if you're going to get one you might as well get the other. I'm sure a lot of people are like "Well I got one so that'll help."

Blitter
Mar 16, 2011

Intellectual
AI Enthusiast

Pennywise the Frown posted:

The vaccination "hesitancy" (refusal) pisses me off so much. As usual, they're loving it up for the rest of us. Well, mostly themselves. I get if some people aren't able to schedule their second one or had other complications getting it but if you're going to get one you might as well get the other. I'm sure a lot of people are like "Well I got one so that'll help."

Yeah, it's incredible that with the rest of the world literally begging and dying for vaccines that people are so mindlessly stupid about it.

But you know what really pisses me off?

The unvaxx'd chuds provide a reservoir of current mutations and propagate disease, but it's the brunch libs will provide the selection pressure for immunity evasion, with their health economist inspired mindset of zero NPI (safely).

"Oh well nothing better could have been done" they will exclaim while relentlessly exposing themselves to a novel virus.

Maga red and blue are absolutely loving this up, in different but synergistic ways, to the detriment of all. Very American!

Scarodactyl
Oct 22, 2015


Blitter posted:

Yeah, it's incredible that with the rest of the world literally begging and dying for vaccines that people are so mindlessly stupid about it.
Donated doses of AZ are going to expire in Papua New Guinea because people are unwilling to take them. It's bad all over.

Space Camp fuckup
Aug 2, 2003

Blitter posted:

But you know what really pisses me off?

Yeah, everything lol

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
Is there any kind of timeline for when enough vaccines are expected to be available for the whole world?

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!
Lmao even people in Turkey making GBS threads on AZ, which is not even distributed there and like p.content with Sinovac which is not the best 5G enabler afaik. AZ was critical for preventing UK turning into a floating graveyard yet it'll be remembered as the vaxx that killed people.

That's why Turkish gubmint rushed to Blade 1 end fight with booster jabs for olds with Pfizer or Moderna way before fall.

Galewolf fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jul 8, 2021

stab
Feb 12, 2003

To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high
https://montrealgazette.com/news/lo...ort-fall-july-8

Oh ho ho MAH FREEDOMS R gone


(basically if theres an outbreak, instead of locking non essential stuff down like restaurants, concerts etc., Quebec will just shut it down /refuse the non vaccinated)

Lol owned



Yes, the unvaccinated are pulling an absolute shitfit funny you'd ask


This also applies to tourists so the Boston frat bros that come up to get shitfaced at 18 also need their 2 shots

stab fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Jul 8, 2021

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
Australian talk is now leaning towards delivering the second dose of AZ at 8 weeks. The experts proposing this say that a booster would definitely be necessary if that route is taken as the vaccine is considerably less effective against Delta with an 8 week gap.

Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

Galewolf posted:

That's why Turkish gubmint rushed to Blade 1 end fight with booster jabs for olds with Pfizer or Moderna way before fall.

:lol:

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
I absolutely milked my second AZ jab effects. No idea if I had any was too hungover to tell. But did not achieve anything that week. brilliant

Castaign
Apr 4, 2011

And now I knew that while my body sat safe in the cheerful little church, he had been hunting my soul in the Court of the Dragon.

Blitter posted:

Something like 15 million Americans haven't bothered to get their second shot.

:shrug:

I wonder what percentage of those people are hesitant because the side effects of shot one were worse than they expected.

I'm not saying that's a good reason (it definitely isn't!), but I'm curious. The side effects of both the first and second shot were, for me, really unpleasant and long-lasting. I'm wondering how much (if at all) that is contributing.

ymgve
Jan 2, 2004


:dukedog:
Offensive Clock

NotJustANumber99 posted:

I absolutely milked my second AZ jab effects. No idea if I had any was too hungover to tell. But did not achieve anything that week. brilliant

Doesnt drinking around the jab date reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine?

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

ymgve posted:

Doesnt drinking around the jab date reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine?

don't worry. I drank on the jab date too.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Castaign posted:

I wonder what percentage of those people are hesitant because the side effects of shot one were worse than they expected.

I'm not saying that's a good reason (it definitely isn't!), but I'm curious. The side effects of both the first and second shot were, for me, really unpleasant and long-lasting. I'm wondering how much (if at all) that is contributing.

I had pretty nasty side-effects but no way was I going to let that delay my second shot. In a lot of ways my side effects after dose 2 weren't as bad, and at least they weren't unexpected.

Unfortunately I could see some people decide one shot was good enough, especially because the early results of a single mRNA vaccination were pretty promising. The new variants, though, kind of throw a wrench into that.

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

ymgve posted:

Doesnt drinking around the jab date reduce the effectiveness of the vaccine?

Unless there's info out there that I haven't seen, the thinking is it suppresses your immune system so you'd assume so but does it suppress it enough to have a notable effect on efficacy? No one knows and that's such a hyper specific study it probably won't be done for a while.


NotJustANumber99 posted:

don't worry. I drank on the jab date too.

:same:

sharknado slashfic fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jul 9, 2021

freebooter
Jul 7, 2009

So apparently it wasn't just a brain fart from the NSW health minister the other day: there are MPs in state cabinet agitating for NSW to give up on trying to eliminate the recent outbreak (after all of two weeks in lockdown!):

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fork-in-the-road-senior-ministers-consider-letting-delta-circulate-in-community-20210708-p58844.html

quote:

Ms Berejiklian said she remained hopeful that the extended lockdown would end next Friday however one senior minister said the next “two to three days would be critical”.

“What has become clear is we have reached a fork in the road. We have to decide whether we accept a lockdown so that we get cases down to zero or whether we do what no other state has done and accept the virus will circulate in the community,” the minister said.

Another minister said that a major concern was that people were not as diligent about staying at home during this lockdown because they “look to overseas, and they don’t see people in body bags like they did last year”.

Health Minister Brad Hazzard said on Wednesday “if the individuals that we need don’t hear Dr Chant’s message and don’t respond, then at some point we’re going to move to a stage where we’re going to have to accept that the virus has a life which will continue in the community.”

Asked about Mr Hazzard’s comments, Deputy Premier John Barilaro told Sunrise that it was a “true comment” and that such a scenario was “very possible”.

I am aghast that this would even be considered. It might have been one thing back in March/April 2020, I could at least respect the consistency in wrongly valuing business freedoms over people's lives, but to come 18 months into it as a shining example of best pandemic practice and then suddenly decide you want to experience the mass graves thing that other countries got to do is loving insane.

My Twitter feed is full of people who think they must be playing four-dimensional chess to coax people to get tested, or to go get the AZ jab nobody wants anymore, but I have no trouble believing there are elements of the Liberal Party who truly believe what they're saying. The fact that it's even been floated in cabinet should be enough for every other state that hasn't already put up a hard border with NSW to implement one immediately.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

NotJustANumber99 posted:

don't worry. I drank on the jab date too.

Hella :same:

ArbitraryC
Jan 28, 2009
Pick a number, any number
Pillbug

Castaign posted:

I wonder what percentage of those people are hesitant because the side effects of shot one were worse than they expected.

I'm not saying that's a good reason (it definitely isn't!), but I'm curious. The side effects of both the first and second shot were, for me, really unpleasant and long-lasting. I'm wondering how much (if at all) that is contributing.
We got our first pfizer shot at "the fairgrounds", in the parking lot for a place I don't think needs explaining beyond the title and administered by I believe the national guard. Like half a week before we were up for our 2nd shot that site had closed down and let me tell you it was literally impossible to book a second pfizer shot anywhere. I spent hours trawling through WA vaccine related websites/links to try to book an appointment but it was just a constant load of nope nope nope. I even called every place in town that was supposed to have pfizer shots, which was traumatic for me as millennial, but still bore no fruit. The reason the fairgrounds clinic closed was because there simply weren't enough people getting shots and it was a waste of resources, so it wasn't/shouldn't have been a scarcity thing, we're at something like 40% in chudland eastern WA despite likely having enough vaccines pass through the region to be at 100% if people wanted it.

We eventually got out 2nd shot on the day we were supposed to by just literally driving around town to random drugstores and asking if they had no-shows or cancellations, didn't take too many tries even but you bet your rear end I had tried to book someone on their site (it was a walgreens) and was told they didn't have any appointments for like a month+.

So logistics might be a reason for a good chunk of people stuck in limbo after their first shot. Honestly I hadn't imagined at all it would be difficult to locate a second one but it was a ton of hassle for something you average person isn't exactly looking forward to.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

freebooter posted:

So apparently it wasn't just a brain fart from the NSW health minister the other day: there are MPs in state cabinet agitating for NSW to give up on trying to eliminate the recent outbreak (after all of two weeks in lockdown!):

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fork-in-the-road-senior-ministers-consider-letting-delta-circulate-in-community-20210708-p58844.html

I am aghast that this would even be considered. It might have been one thing back in March/April 2020, I could at least respect the consistency in wrongly valuing business freedoms over people's lives, but to come 18 months into it as a shining example of best pandemic practice and then suddenly decide you want to experience the mass graves thing that other countries got to do is loving insane.

My Twitter feed is full of people who think they must be playing four-dimensional chess to coax people to get tested, or to go get the AZ jab nobody wants anymore, but I have no trouble believing there are elements of the Liberal Party who truly believe what they're saying. The fact that it's even been floated in cabinet should be enough for every other state that hasn't already put up a hard border with NSW to implement one immediately.

Meanwhile failed politician/businessman Clive Palmer is still pedaling his anti-vaxx bullshit and doing his utmost to convince people not to take it. His latest shitfuckery is to distribute flyers incorrectly claiming that 50% of the animals used in the first round of covid vaxx safety trials died.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Every last one of the fruit flies this product was tested on have since died.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
Guardian is reporting that Pfizer is asking the FDA to approve a third shot due to evidence of an increased risk of reinfection after 6 months from vaccination.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Lolie posted:

Guardian is reporting that Pfizer is asking the FDA to approve a third shot due to evidence of an increased risk of reinfection after 6 months from vaccination.

The shoe's going to be on the other foot if the boomers get told they need another shot for protection but they have to wait until the millennials have all had their shots. :kheldragar:

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
44 new cases. Tougher restrictions for Sydney.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Lolie posted:

44 new cases. Tougher restrictions for Sydney.

10 of them were in isolation during their infectious period and 8 were in isolation for part of their infectious period so 26 of them had been walkin' around the whole time spewing geysers of covid plumes everywhere. :coronatoot:

https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1413301890658422790

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

10 of them were in isolation during their infectious period and 8 were in isolation for part of their infectious period so 26 of them had been walkin' around the whole time spewing geysers of covid plumes everywhere. :coronatoot:

https://twitter.com/NSWHealth/status/1413301890658422790

This is why complete households/families need to be tested the moment there's reason to test one person.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Lolie posted:

This is why complete households/families need to be tested the moment there's reason to test one person.

Wait that’s not long been happening?

:kstare:

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Platystemon posted:

Wait that’s not long been happening?

:kstare:

Nope.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
14,000 close contacts we're put into isolation yesterday. The previous day it was 7,000.

Lolie fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jul 9, 2021

Scarodactyl
Oct 22, 2015


Lolie posted:

Guardian is reporting that Pfizer is asking the FDA to approve a third shot due to evidence of an increased risk of reinfection after 6 months from vaccination.
Wonder if this is why I haven't heard back from the trial yet. Maybe they're just going to go for it.

Katamari Democracy
Jan 19, 2010

Guess what! :love:
Guess what this is? :love:
A Post, Just for you! :love:
Wedge Regret
Im getting my 2nd jab this Saturday

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Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Scarodactyl posted:

Wonder if this is why I haven't heard back from the trial yet. Maybe they're just going to go for it.

It's to do with the numbers which came out of Israel.

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