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landgrabber posted:slated to be the only sonically pleasing thing rick rubin has ever done behind a mixing board A: Rubin is much more of a producer, not a mix engineer on 99 percent of his projects B: Rubin's discog is huge and includes some of the best sounding records ever. Adele's 21, Slayer's Reign in Blood and Seasons in the Abyss, Audioslave's self titled record and countless more. https://www.allmusic.com/artist/rick-rubin-mn0000356250/credits The fact that the Weezer records he did eat hot dick is not a reflection on him so much as it is on Weezer. Sorry. Gramps fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Jul 14, 2021 |
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Nebraska Tim posted:Pretty much on his own, yeah. Paul and John were the powerhouse of hits, and the higher ups knew it too. He was lucky to get scraps of help or studio time, and maybe one or two songs per album out of pity. Bear in mind, when he was telling these stories it wasn't with any grudge; he knew he was behind the curve and just had to put in the work to catch up. There's a quote from Ringo going through the process but even more behind the curve. He'd come up with melodies and the others would point out that it sounded like such-and-such song. You really have to pay your dues, if you want to sing the blues. It doesn't come easy. Turbinosamente posted:Then how the gently caress does Ringo get in there with singing lead on A Little Help From my Friends and then Octopus's Garden? Or was the latter because they were all fed up with each other and nobody gave a poo poo anymore? Ringo usually sang a song on each album, probably because they'd give him a song to sing when they played live.
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Jul 14, 2021 00:38
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My favorite Beatle song is temporary secretary I should cover it
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landgrabber posted:slated to be the only sonically pleasing thing rick rubin has ever done behind a mixing board ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTT8O_LslzQ
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landgrabber posted:also the dude in there recognized the modern baseball song i was playing and that ruuuuuules it made me so happy Which song? When I can pick up my guitar, if I don’t just play something I’m familiar with or already wrote, I usually just pick a key and improve a rhythm and record on my phone anything that sounds remotely interesting. You’d be surprised how many skeletons for songs you’d end up with. Ideas that still sound interesting the next day I’ll usually share with my band or just continue to write parts. The hardest part of any song I’ve found is usually a bridge and figuring out how to end it in an interesting way other than chorus x2 lazerwolf fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jul 14, 2021 |
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lazerwolf posted:Which song? "fine, great" off you're gonna miss it all. same looping chord progression through most of it but it changes rhythms in such a way that i think it'd be fairly recognizable. it's neat. i'd already played it a bunch today before i went, too. Gramps posted:A: Rubin is much more of a producer, not a mix engineer on 99 percent of his projects if rubin is "more of a producer and not a mix engineer", him having a credit on the actual worst weezer album IS an indictment. i was just making a joke, chill out. the real reason Make Believe sounds terrible is because it was mixed by tom lorde-algae, a man who, apparently, will DIE without bus compressing the living hell out of everything
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From a page back butKazinsal posted:Well'p, looks like I've got a shitload of overtime coming up so maybe I will be buying a Mark V sooner rather than later. Yay? Yissss. You absolutely loving should. And then post clips. Yisss. My sorta off to the side opinion about music creation is I get wanting to make amazing and perfect music, because I delayed releasing a couple albums that I, in retrospect, thought were good purely because I wanted them to be perfect. Now I am more worried about being able to play music at all. It's purely my perspective, but suddenly perfect becomes silly when you're faced with impossible to make at all. Just my two cents. Also I will be uploading a demo of a reworked song from that failed album soon aww ye. Y'all can look forward to ignoring that.
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i think theres a lot of mesas are backordered real far back right now due to shortage on parts, so get those while you can i guess. i dont have a mark v, but i can say my triple crown sounds choice
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the real real reason Make Believe sounds so horrible is because rivers cuomo stopped giving a poo poo. this is self-evident as if he gave a poo poo he would not have written "beverly hills", which may be one of the worst things ever committed to tape and I'm a staunch fan of early nickelback so I am fully capable of enjoying trend-chasing music. it is genuinely an absolutely awful track written semi-ironically about how the artist just needs more money. at least "rockstar" was actually written entirely intended to be satirical syntaxfunction posted:Yissss. You absolutely loving should. And then post clips. Yisss. Soooooooooon. Apparently I may have upwards of 40 hours of overtime available in the next six weeks so that would probably squarely put me in "buy a V:35 combo" territory.
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Jul 14, 2021 02:59
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rivers cuomo is literally the greatest songwriter who's ever lived
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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Rivers was so good to balance it out he had to make far more lovely music than any good music he did. Really a blessed man.
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landgrabber posted:rivers cuomo is literally the greatest songwriter who's ever lived mango sentinel posted:This is the worst thing I have ever seen you post.
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landgrabber posted:rivers cuomo is literally the greatest songwriter who's ever lived 
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Just considering the rock era, I think it was Tom Petty. Of all time it's probably like, Beethoven. Or an Indian or Chinese composer I've never heard of. Huxley fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Jul 14, 2021 |
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Jul 14, 2021 04:05
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i mean i hate to be that guy but...its dylan
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landgrabber posted:rivers cuomo is literally the greatest songwriter who's ever lived 
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duke ellington? irv berlin? gershwin? chumps, those guys could never write weird songs about being horny for asian teenagers.
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If scorcho dropped today he would be so cancelled
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people don't understand weezer because they were either children, or came in with pre-conceived notions set forth in the 90s by lazy music journalists (two groups with the same amount of intelligence and concept of what things are). complaining/venting/bitching about stuff in an ugly way, in a manor that's less ironic than is comfortable, is what weezer has always been. that's what it was on undone, that's what it was on el scorcho. the second half of blue is insanely cynical. hearing blue and deciding weezer was a 90s gen x wet hot american summer type of band was at most maybe an 8th grade level analysis of any of the music. rivers cuomo's "bad' songs are bad due to his spurious taste. structurally and melodically, he is on top of it, and he's literally always been on top of it. the batting average is not 100%, obviously -- but he has insaaaaaaaaane fundamentals, is what i'm saying. consider that his melodies are so good that all he needs is a power chord under it most of the time. he's not the writer of the best songs, but as far as actual songwriting, in a labor sort of sense, he's insanely good.
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Rubin has strengths and weaknesses. His biggest strengths are conceptual arrangments, the organ comes in here and it's playing an ascending part, that sort of thing. He also tends to be really good with more minimalist stuff despite the reputation he has with hard rock and metal bands. His weaknesses are compressors and drummers. Rick Rubin has no loving idea what to do with a drummer, that's why he had the Beastie Boys fire their drummer and told Danzig's drummer to stop playing fills or anything remotely interesting. He looped Jimmy Chamberlin, for chrissakes. "production" for this album meant sitting on the floor in front of Cash while holding a tape deck. These weren't even supposed to be the album, these tracks were just supposed to be the demos! epic 2012 username posted:If scorcho dropped today he would be so cancelled El Scorcho's not even that bad, Across The Sea is so, so much worse.
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creamcorn posted:duke ellington? irv berlin? gershwin? chumps, those guys could never write weird songs about being horny for asian teenagers. gershwin and beethoven (other person said beethoven) aren't songwriters. they're classical composers. here's my rationale for that distinction: if you got into my car and i said, "hey, check out this song i've been listening to a lot lately", and i took a second i pull it up, and it was loving rhapsody in blue, would that not throw you a little bit. would that be something you were expecting also, re: subject matter: no one would care if i said that about paul mccartney/john lennon and those guys wrote about wanting to hold a girl's hand and then beating your wife.
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landgrabber posted:people don't understand weezer You've convinced me. You really like weezer.
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landgrabber posted:gershwin and beethoven (other person said beethoven) aren't songwriters. they're classical composers. here's my rationale for that distinction: if you got into my car and i said, "hey, check out this song i've been listening to a lot lately", and i took a second i pull it up, and it was loving rhapsody in blue, would that not throw you a little bit. would that be something you were expecting What the gently caress are I Got Rhythm and Embraceable You if not songs? Gershwin also wrote songs, in the modern pop sense. Anyway for great songwriters Laura Jane Grace was a really loving incredible lyricist for like a 3 year period that ended immediately after she cut "Tonight We're Gonna Give It 35%"
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what do composers do? what is a composer's job? they write songs the beatles loving suck too, don't put that evil on me.
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landgrabber posted:gershwin and beethoven (other person said beethoven) aren't songwriters. they're classical composers. here's my rationale for that distinction: if you got into my car and i said, "hey, check out this song i've been listening to a lot lately", and i took a second i pull it up, and it was loving rhapsody in blue, would that not throw you a little bit. would that be something you were expecting george gershwin wrote many songs with ira gershwin. he wrote Summertime AND I Got Rhythm ffs
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Baron von Eevl posted:El Scorcho's not even that bad, Across The Sea is so, so much worse. the el scorcho thing is just a lyric that sounds worse than it actually is -- he went out with jennifer chiba (of "possibly killed elliot smith?" fame) in the early 90s for a long time. pretty sure he fell for another half japanese lady and wrote a dorky line about it. even then: people always bring up this awkwardness as a means of dismissing the music, but personally i actually like it when artists are interesting and confess to unsavory things, instead of either being bland and normal, or fitting into the narrow window of "the type of messed up you're allowed to be vs. not". it's almost like it's a pretty explicit part of the album's fabric -- diving into all of that extremely uncomfortable, intimate detail, on purpose.
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beer gas canister posted:george gershwin wrote many songs with ira gershwin. he wrote Summertime AND I Got Rhythm ffs Summertime, or as my daughter calls it, "The Fish Are Jumping Song"
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landgrabber posted:the el scorcho thing is just a lyric that sounds worse than it actually is -- he went out with jennifer chiba (of "possibly killed elliot smith?" fame) in the early 90s for a long time. pretty sure he fell for another half japanese lady and wrote a dorky line about it. He definitely, definitely aged the pen pal in Across The Sea up to 18 though. He just wants to know what her room is like, and what she's wearing, and also whether she thinks about him she jerks off? Also he's gonna lick her envelope about it.
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Baron von Eevl posted:He definitely, definitely aged the pen pal in Across The Sea up to 18 though. He just wants to know what her room is like, and what she's wearing, and also whether she thinks about him she jerks off? Also he's gonna lick her envelope about it. she could've been younger than 18. who knows. you're thinking about the song too literally. it wasn't him getting one letter one time and loving losing it -- weezer was actually popular in japan (i think the super melodic nature of weezer songs actually slightly resembles all the japanese rock bands that are really melodic but have a kind of punk sound to them, kinda like number girl, actually) and he was probably getting dozens of those letters.
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Also the intentionally broken english in the beginning is gross and only a couple steps shy of "me rikey" racist poo poo.
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Tbh Bjork and MF Doom are the ones who come to mind anytime I have to think of who the best song writers are but they don’t really fit the theme of this thread Only slightly jokey answer if I had to pick a rock artist for that award I’d pick the Blood Brothers
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Rivers Cuomo could never write anything as beautiful and elegant as A Case of You. which is fine because practically nobody can https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_OtHVLAF4o if we're talking dylan i've gotta go with Desolation Row just ahead of Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands for my favorite bits of poetry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUvcWXTIjcU
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the fuckin dream theater guys are better lyricists than rivers cuomo and they wrote some of the cheesiest fuckin lyrics in prog metal and continue to happily write some of the cheesiest fuckin lyrics in prog metal the difference is they own it, because it's fun and supported by some hella good musicianship, whereas weezer is just four dudes playing the defiant-opposition-to-grunge equivalent of britpop
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Kazinsal posted:"she could have been under 18" is not a good way to start a defense of someone i'm not defending him. he's done some bad stuff, for sure. if nothing else, he publicly admitted to stuff he did in the 2000s that was super misconduct-y. that said, doesn't make the song not good. art and music aren't here to make you feel good about yourself by constantly extolling/expressing/encouraging good values. go listen to katy perry or something
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Baron von Eevl posted:Also the intentionally broken english in the beginning is gross and only a couple steps shy of "me rikey" racist poo poo. it was probably literally from the letter. i used to feel bad for laughing, when i was in hgih school, and i took a mandarin class, and i'd do language exchange stuff over the internet with people. the mandarin speaker would write something in english, and the syntax would make me crack the hell up at times. once, i told them that my brother was eight years older than me, and the response i got back was, "wow! your mom has such big son", which killed me, because it reminded me of the "large, adult son" thing. but i'd send voice clips of me attempting to say things in mandarin, and they would laugh back. it's just funny at times to see what can come out as a result -- doesn't matter what side of the language divide you're on. it can be funny both ways, not just cause "haha u don't speak english". i realize that's scarcely relevant but i like telling that anecdote because it was a really wholesome thing. in any case, rivers once released a journal entry where he recounted asking his wife he had just married if she would "be the boss", as well as a ton of his songs sounding super submissive, which is kind of the opposite of the stereotypical reddit yellow fever asian fetish, so, idk
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landgrabber posted:people don't understand weezer because they were either children, or came in with pre-conceived notions set forth in the 90s by lazy music journalists (two groups with the same amount of intelligence and concept of what things are). Aren’t you like 4 years out of eighth grade? Cmon now
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