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Twelve by Pies posted:I didn't realize that it was common for tourists of the Capitol to wave and smile at others as they stole podiums from the building. I kind of want to make one of those places where you pay $$$ to trash a place for like a hour but make it like Government themed seems like it would draw money from both sides, selling my customers names to the FBI will keep them off my back as well I hope.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I didn't realize that it was common for tourists of the Capitol to wave and smile at others as they stole podiums from the building. Or murder people. Or poo poo on the floor. Or leave bombs all over town.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:All the fash are venal cowards. They had those cops dead if they all pulled a Babbit, but they won't, as a rule, act if they don't believe they have overwhelming force. Which is why it's a good thing the coup was incompetent because if they got much further they'd be even more emboldened. 
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Elephant Ambush posted:I didn't say they shouldn't be in jail (they should) but the idea that they were somehow a credible coup threat is laughable. Perhaps not a credible coup threat, no, but I would say that all those people were credible enough violent dipshits that it's either a stroke of luck or accomplishment of lockdown procedures that no elected officials were killed that day.
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Nobody is saying these people shouldnt be charged. But elevating this is going to result in the same thing slapping "terrorism" onto crimes did. Its going to result in harsher punishments largely aimed at left voices. Charge them for rioting, destruction of property and possibly assault with intent to murder but elevating this to treason is going to send a lot more "antifa thugs" to max security prisons for demonstrating near a government building.
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Zeroisanumber posted:Or poo poo on the floor.
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I'm not sure I've ever personally experienced more gaslighting, from either end of the political spectrum, when it comes to January 6th. It's frustrating beyond belief, and I keep having to recheck to make sure I'm not the crazy one, despite witnessing it in real time. It was a coup. A coup does not have to succeed in order to be a coup, and a coup does not have to be put on by some master super planners to do damage. Going around insisting it wasn't a big deal and it's silly to consider it one is part of that inflicted damage, because we all sit around and convince ourselves that it was silly, it won't have any lasting effect, and that believing otherwise is being overdramatic. It wasn't a goofy jaunt through the halls of the capitol where all the Trumper idiots bounced off of walls and tripped on their own shoes and ha ha ha. When Ashli Babbit was shot, there were congressional staffers evacuating behind the officers that were holding the door, you can see them on the video. Officer Goodman led the rioters away from the Senate and the House chambers. There was a door wide open. There were people still in there. Romney nearly walked right into them. Pence and his family were being evacuated very close to where they were. There were rioters smashing down doors in Pelosi's office, with her staffers huddling inside one of the rooms and trying to stay as quiet as possible, we have that on video and we have them on audio. Anyone who thinks there wouldn't have been deaths had they managed to catch or find anyone can look at what this group did to the drat cops that got in their way, and listen to the words coming out of the rioters own stupid mouths. Stop it. loving stop it already. Stop downplaying it, stop saying <insert extremely good leftist goal here> is more important and therefore we should ignore this happened. You know why? Because it's not over, this coup hasn't ended. They're still trying to overthrow the election. Right now. Yes, it's stupid, yes, it's going to fail, and it doesn't matter one single bit, because the danger isn't that this election is going to be overturned, it's that a massive swathe of the country has decided that all of this is cool and good, that ignoring the results of an election is the righteous thing to do if their side loses, and that violence is not only the answer if they don't get their way, it's openly condoned by every single person they listen to, every authority figure, every elected representative, every "news" outlet. With exceptions so few that I can count them on one hand, every Republican that was in the capitol that day has decided that this is also cool and good, that somehow they'd have been spared, and that the best thing to do is to deny it, gaslight about it, and trot down to Mara Lago in the most pathetic pilgrimage imaginable to kiss the withered rear end of the golden god who will never, ever, ever accept that the majority of the American people threw him out on his ear, and to parrot every stupid thought that somehow works its way out of his head. The coup wasn't one day of violence aimed at politicians. It's fine and good to laugh at these loving idiots while recognizing that had things gone even a little bit more their way on January 6th, a whole lot more bodies would have been hauled out of that building.
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Bobulus posted:Real, from TheDonald. He was the gently caress with zip ties and claimed to want to take hostages and kill them. He lived with his mom, so no, he's not made an heir to the stupidity yet
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RagnarokAngel posted:The only thing you're going to get out of this is a further progression of the police state thats harsher on left voices. I dunno, I'm having a hard time remembering when leftists beat the poo poo out of capitol cops, broke their way into the capitol, vandalized and looted the place while threatening to kill the elected officials inside, poo poo on the floors and had to be forced out by cops in riot gear Honestly no matter what happens as long as Republicans have power there'll always be an advance on the police state to silence left voices because that's the only way republicans can hold power. If you're going to sit back and use the above as an excuse for not prosecuting felons for committing felonies, even if those felons were morons, then they've already won and you lost. We went through four to five years of this "boys will be boys" can't prosecute felons bullshit. V And if it does happen under Democrats, then that means Democrats are ok with it in which case it doesn't matter if they get prosecuted or not. We all lost and will continue to be lost SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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SocketWrench posted:I dunno, I'm having a hard time remembering when leftists beat the poo poo out of capitol cops, broke their way into the capitol, vandalized and looted the place while threatening to kill the elected officials inside, poo poo on the floors and had to be forced out by cops in riot gear I don't think youre understanding that they wouldn't need to. quote:Honestly no matter what happens as long as Republicans have power there'll always be an advance on the police state to silence left voices because that's the only way republicans can hold power. This is going to happen under Democrats and I hope its worth it to you. Edit: quote:If you're going to sit back and use the above as an excuse for not prosecuting felons for committing felonies, even if those felons were morons, then they've already won and you lost Elevating this is going to be a repeat of 9/11 hysteria where Terrorism is used to inflict even harsher charges, something the Democrats gleefully backed as well as Republicans. I've seen this show before and I'm not eager to repeat it. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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RagnarokAngel posted:I already said prosecute them. But prosecute them as you would any other similar crime of property destruction or assault with intent to murder. We already have laws on the books to cover this and thanks to the US justice system they're already very severe punishments. 8 months in prison, oh my that escalated so so bad. Look out I think a bunch of jihadists murdering 3000 people in a strike against multiple buildings is a bit of a high bar for this to reach
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RagnarokAngel posted:Nobody is saying these people shouldnt be charged. But elevating this is going to result in the same thing slapping "terrorism" onto crimes did. Its going to result in harsher punishments largely aimed at left voices. "We can't punish right wing terrorists to hard because it will empower state security forces to crack down on leftist protestors (which they already do) (and also I will ignore that the fundamental differences between things like the summer BLM protests causing property damage and Jan 6 being a literal insurrection was understood by everyone immediately and only full blown Nazis like the ones on the very board this thread exists to make fun of are even TRYING to create equivalency between them)" is certainly a take.
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1. They did a terrorism, just legit a terrorism 2. They did it to overthrow the government and install a dictator. 3. I have no idea, none, why you think that this hasn't already been used against leftist activists, or why you think that the state, and particularly the republican party, somehow needs permission or excuses to continue doing it.
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So by the same token you trust these people to prosecute the "insurrectionists" fairly if you give them the keys to do so with zero blowback on you? Its very crab bucket to say "well they prosecute leftists already so *at least* if we can go harder on them I'll sleep better" is some real democrat boot licking. And if you trust them to do it right, lol.
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RagnarokAngel posted:So by the same token you trust these people to prosecute the "insurrectionists" fairly if you give them the keys to do so with zero blowback on you? Its very crab bucket to say "well they prosecute leftists already so *at least* if we can go harder on them I'll sleep better" is some real democrat boot licking. lol, wtf even is this statement.
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kartikeya posted:lol, wtf even is this statement. If the law is already disproportionately attacking leftists (which is true) I dont understand what you expect to happen by cracking down further other than right wing organizers getting a tiny more of a slap on the wrist. We already know we can't trust the law so whats to gain by advancing the police state other than giving them even further codified harm to do to us?
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RagnarokAngel posted:If the law is already disproportionately attacking leftists (which is true) I dont understand what you expect to happen by cracking down further other than right wing organizers getting a tiny more of a slap on the wrist. We already know we can't trust the law so whats to gain by advancing the police state other than giving them even further codified harm to do to us? Because now the people I don't agree with are being subjected to it. Thus granting me catharsis. Thus making me the winner. I, a lib,am now doing the owning.
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RagnarokAngel posted:If the law is already disproportionately attacking leftists (which is true) I dont understand what you expect to happen by cracking down further other than right wing organizers getting a tiny more of a slap on the wrist. We already know we can't trust the law so whats to gain by advancing the police state other than giving them even further codified harm to do to us? ...so... you're saying they shouldn't crack down on a straight-up attempted coup? Because that still creates the same disparity you're decrying; instead of chuds getting it bad and leftists getting it worse, chuds get off scot-free and leftists still get it bad. I just don't really understand what you're arguing for here beyond contrarianism.
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Sanguinia posted:"We can't punish right wing terrorists to hard because it will empower state security forces to crack down on leftist protestors (which they already do) (and also I will ignore that the fundamental differences between things like the summer BLM protests causing property damage and Jan 6 being a literal insurrection was understood by everyone immediately and only full blown Nazis like the ones on the very board this thread exists to make fun of are even TRYING to create equivalency between them)" is certainly a take. Also this isn't what Im saying and I resent you think so. I was in those BLM protests and I got shot at with tear gas. I KNOW what these fucks want to do and I do not trust them with yet more permission to prosecute citizens. Its not that I have sympathy for the right. I have none, its that I trust the US justice system even less. They let this happen, they played with them with kids gloves outside that capital. Not something they gave to us. Give them permission to go harder and it isnt the right they will execute freshly given rights to crack some skulls on. Cleretic posted:...so... you're saying they shouldn't crack down on a straight-up attempted coup? Because that still creates the same disparity you're decrying; instead of chuds getting it bad and leftists getting it worse, chuds get off scot-free and leftists still get it bad. Its not contrarianism. Its that escalating prosecution's power might punish these specific folks but in the future will be leveraged on the left and not so much on the right. It already happened with 9/11. The patriot act wasn't used to stop right wing terrorism. It was used to silence peaceful protesters and give extra judiciary power against them. If you give them more tools it will be more of the same. Its short sighted to think it'd be a victory when in the end it'll just be used to crack down on us harder. The right wing protesters worry me but the US justice system scares me a whole lot loving more. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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RagnarokAngel posted:If the law is already disproportionately attacking leftists (which is true) I dont understand what you expect to happen by cracking down further other than right wing organizers getting a tiny more of a slap on the wrist. We already know we can't trust the law so whats to gain by advancing the police state other than giving them even further codified harm to do to us? I always wonder when I read posts like this what they think the solution to the problem is once they take these thoughts to their inevitable conclusion. "The Left is only ever victimized by both Law Enforcement and the Justice System, ergo we must do everything we can to lessen both of their authority. Right Wing Terror will never be punished properly by either of these institutions anyway, so working toward that goal only invites more harm to ourselves. Given these fact the solution to Right Wing Terror attempting to overthrow the government is..." What goes in the blank? Leftist Vigilantism? Sectarian Warfare? Do A Revolution Before They Do So We Will Have Courts We Can Trust To Punish Them? Like, what is the preferred fix to this problem if the Judiciary is ALWAYS the enemy and thus it is in our interest to minimize their power to the point where they cannot act against people who literally want to cleanse us from the earth?
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The solution is to use the powers they already have. The US justice system is one of the most brutal in the world. They have enough, they dont need more. And if youre worried about a bunch of gently caress ups like the January 6 crew wanting to wipe us from the Earth boy lemee tell you about cops. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 07:01 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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RagnarokAngel posted:Its not contrarianism. Its that escalating prosecution's power might punish these specific folks but in the future will be leveraged on the left and not so much on the right. It already happened with 9/11. The patriot act wasn't used to stop right wing terrorism. It was used to silence peaceful protesters and give extra judiciary power against them. If you give them more tools it will be more of the same. So... are you arguing for them to do nothing about the coup? This is what's confusing me here, and I think others. I assume your point isn't that the coup participants should get off scot-free, so what IS your point? What should be done? I assume you feel strongly that things should happen differently from how they are currently happening, so what should be happening differently?
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RagnarokAngel posted:If the law is already disproportionately attacking leftists (which is true) I dont understand what you expect to happen by cracking down further other than right wing organizers getting a tiny more of a slap on the wrist. We already know we can't trust the law so whats to gain by advancing the police state other than giving them even further codified harm to do to us? They're not right wing organizers. They are people who tried to overthrow the government to install a guy who would be super happy, in fact utterly thrilled, to execute every single one of his political enemies. Like, your argument here is apparently that we can't do anything to discourage the very people that you're worried about having power from snatching said power by force, because if we did it would give them more reason to come down on us (????) as if they actually need 1. permission, 2. precedent, or 3. a reason. I don't know if you've noticed yet, but they weren't exactly doing things by the book on January 6th, and they do not even pretend to give a poo poo about precedent anymore. This is the Freeper thread. You know what they fantasize over day in and day out, but it's not a big deal when a bunch of their younger, even more fash counterparts actually do get off of their asses and try to act on those fantasies? We shouldn't want anything done about that? Please explain how leftist causes are furthered by downplaying what they did. Please explain how we benefit from encouraging them to do it again. And please do let me know how you think the law is going to treat leftists any better (or just as badly), by enabling the people who think the law isn't nasty enough in how they treat "undesirables" yet. We can't trust the law because these are the people who ensure the law is always weighed in their favor, because they're never held accountable for all the heinous poo poo that they do. And your solution is "don't hold them accountable for the heinous poo poo they did". Yours is an absolutely galaxy brained take. Edit: Okay, well they already have the power to prosecute for this kind of thing, I'm not sure who you think is advocating for giving law enforcement special permissions or something. kartikeya fucked around with this message at 07:11 on Jul 20, 2021 |
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I don't think there's anymore to be wrought from this conversation in here but I'm more than willing to take it to PMs. As penance for a derail here's a freep thread. Twitter suspends Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene over ‘misleading’ COVID info quote:The meritorious MTG.... quote:And... She should not be on Twitter. Use Twitter, you fund the enemy, period. I like her, but this is a PR stunt. quote:The White House or Barak told them to. quote:I am sorely tempted to post on Faceplant that Hunter Biden is the most upstanding First Son in the past 75 years, just to check for FP’s bias level. quote:It’s interesting how one is immediately targeted for termination by vile leftists the instant one asks simple questions about the rat-poison “vaccine.”  quote:I’m STILL waiting to get suspended by twitter. But, since I’ve never used it, maybe they have and I just don’t know. The same goes for facebook. quote:Tells ya, somethings going on with the Covid. As in the globalists might be looking at people going after Covid as their biggest threat against them. Its being questioned by the majority of people right now and the globalist fear conversation as if China is running things and going about sensorship the way they are use to. quote:BTW, if ‘misleading’ info is proven true are they liable for slander or anything?
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quote:It’s interesting how one is immediately targeted for termination by vile leftists the instant one asks simple questions about the rat-poison “vaccine.” ...weren't these guys advocating consuming literal rat poison to treat covid at some point? I admit I've lost track of the myriad bullshit cures, but I vaguely remember that being a thing.
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Yeah but the fun of freep is the diverse rainbow of crazy that somehow moves in the same direction. Some love rat poison, some love ammonia and some just love doing nothing and dying.
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SEAN HANNITY: " ... I believe in science. I believe in the science of vaccination" Hmm, I wonder if it's starting to dawn on some people that letting a deadly pandemic rage unabated through your ranks might not be the wisest strategy.  quote:One more reason not to watch Fox News! quote:To: RandFan quote:To: RandFan quote:To: RandFan It never fails.  quote:To: RandFan quote:To: SkyDancer; ransomnote; grey_whiskers; metmom; Pollard; HypatiaTaught; bagster Wuh-oh! quote:To: Pollard quote:To: RandFan quote:To: RandFan quote:To: All  quote:To: RandFan quote:To: RandFan 3D Chess? quote:To: RandFan quote:To: RandFan
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I know Freep always does this kind of thing and as soon as Hannity licks Trump's boots again they'll fawn all over him but man it feels nice to see them mad at that fucker.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I know Freep always does this kind of thing and as soon as Hannity licks Trump's boots again they'll fawn all over him but man it feels nice to see them mad at that fucker. Every time they eat each other is pretty great.
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What was the Freep consensus when Donald Rumsfeld died?
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RagnarokAngel posted:Nobody is saying these people shouldnt be charged. But elevating this is going to result in the same thing slapping "terrorism" onto crimes did. Its going to result in harsher punishments largely aimed at left voices. They would have harsher penalties for (especially non-white) leftists committing the exact same crimes anyways, so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here.
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What does "elevating" it to treason even mean? Doesn't a) that law already exist so why would they not use it on leftists now b) it was literally treason and should be treated as such, no elevation necessary.
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