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Pener Kropoopkin posted:They comment on the fact that being an actual undead sorcerer skeleton has stripped the protagonist of any human empathy or emotion I know!! what an absolutely terrible idea for the characterization of the main protagonist of your show!!
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Casey Finnigan posted:I know!! what an absolutely terrible idea for the characterization of the main protagonist of your show!! Actually, it's cool. If Overlord didn't follow through on the premise of the isekai protagonist being an actual bad guy who unleashes eldritch terrors on the world, it wouldn't be interesting at all.
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Jul 21, 2021 19:26
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I mean there's a reason those characters are usually the antagonists and not the protagonist, cause an emotionless embodiment of evil that has no real motivation for his actions is just a one note character. especially when he's so fuckin powerful. watching ainz is like watching a steamroller drive over cardboard boxes. but a steamroller has more charisma. it's like watching a steamroller covered in tacky skull designs drive over cardboard boxes
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Jul 21, 2021 19:30
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hmm actually i have to admit that watching a steamroller drive over cardboard boxes is kind of cool
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Jul 21, 2021 19:31
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That's why the show doesn't just focus on Ainz, and lets you get to know the human supporting cast just enough to care about them. The Lizardman arc is almost all lizardmen just trying to live their lives as they're nearly about to be genocided by the protagonist. I don't understand the need to feel like you have to relate to a protagonist, or that they have to be a good person.
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Jul 21, 2021 19:42
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there isn't going to be another season of drifters any time soon because the manga comes out incredibly slowly and has barely gotten anywhere in the last decade.
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Jul 21, 2021 19:43
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quote:The Orte Empire (オルテ帝国, Orute Teikoku) is a country that was established by Hitler. It expanded through the conquest of neighboring territories and continued to adhere to Hitler's principles, which involves the persecution of demihumans races. Recently, the Empire was sold to Toyohisa and the Drifters by Count Saint-Germi, as Hitler had bankrupted the empire before his death. 
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Jul 21, 2021 19:47
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:That's why the show doesn't just focus on Ainz, and lets you get to know the human supporting cast just enough to care about them. The Lizardman arc is almost all lizardmen just trying to live their lives as they're nearly about to be genocided by the protagonist. you don't need to relate to a protagonist and they don't need to be a good person but the premise of the series is literally "a normal guy is sent into an MMO world as an evil skeleton with godlike power, how is he going to handle it." Then they decide "well he just is that evil skeleton, in every way down to his inner thoughts, and the normal guy part of him doesn't exist anymore." It's just a huge waste of potential that blandifies the series
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Jul 21, 2021 19:49
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i wanted overlord to have some depth and nuance, but that's not really what it was ever about. it's about monsters being monsters while the world struggles in vain to resist them.
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Jul 21, 2021 19:52
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Casey Finnigan posted:hmm actually i have to admit that watching a steamroller drive over cardboard boxes is kind of cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wl8kraEhPc
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Jul 21, 2021 20:06
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Reik posted:GATE was the only explicit colonial isekai afaik. Like, major plot points include Japan figuring out how to best extract resources from the parallel world. Outbreak Company is also explicitly about isekai colonialism, although the conclusion there is 'it's awful, and trade and cultural exchange between equals is way better'.
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Jul 21, 2021 20:07
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Reik posted:Oh I forgot about the isekai where the "good guys" bring in Hitler to rebuild the human empire so they can fight off Jesus's horde of monsters. Next season of Drifters when? Actually, the "good guys" arrive long after Hitler's death and immediately start dismantling his racist empire. Okay, it's Nobunaga seeing the opressed Elves and deciding he can work with that.
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Jul 21, 2021 20:12
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Casey Finnigan posted:you don't need to relate to a protagonist and they don't need to be a good person but the premise of the series is literally "a normal guy is sent into an MMO world as an evil skeleton with godlike power, how is he going to handle it." He retains his sense of ethics, but those ethics are also twisted into a self-serving rationalization. All the characters in Nazarick were literally built from the ground up by him and his friends in real life, and reflect all of their personalities & values - but being reclusives and outsiders even in the context of the original MMO did not make them good people. Fulfilling their fantasies in a real space has evil consequences. It's a direct challenge to escapist power fantasy.
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Jul 21, 2021 20:20
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:He retains his sense of ethics, but those ethics are also twisted into a self-serving rationalization. All the characters in Nazarick were literally built from the ground up by him and his friends in real life, and reflect all of their personalities & values - but being reclusives and outsiders even in the context of the original MMO did not make them good people. Fulfilling their fantasies in a real space has evil consequences. It's a direct challenge to escapist power fantasy. I feel like the evil has to be in some way costly, though, or you're just going 'wow, look how unstoppably evil these people are, isn't it badass'.
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Jul 21, 2021 20:23
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MonsieurChoc posted:Actually, the "good guys" arrive long after Hitler's death and immediately start dismantling his racist empire. It has been a while since I've watched it, but of the two people bringing people in the world to fight for them, the same one that brought in Hitler brought in the current protagonists, right?
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Jul 21, 2021 20:27
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Darth Walrus posted:Second Gig has a far, far stronger main plot than season one, and has some memorable one-off episodes as well. Definitely get on it. That’s what I needed to hear
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Jul 21, 2021 21:28
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HootTheOwl posted:I was checking to see if SAC was on Netflix because I remember it differently than the thread (probably because I was watching it on adult swim in chunks) and there's a Ghost in the Shell SAC_2045? Anyone seen this before? A movie, a series? Any good? BTW if you have a VPN it’s on Japanese Netflix with English subtitles
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Jul 21, 2021 21:31
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Reik posted:It has been a while since I've watched it, but of the two people bringing people in the world to fight for them, the same one that brought in Hitler brought in the current protagonists, right? It's never stated, I think.
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Jul 21, 2021 22:01
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i love how in the 2nd gig op, half the cast are doing extremely mundane things. like togusas just fuckin commuting
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Jul 21, 2021 22:02
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Reik posted:Oh I forgot about the isekai where the "good guys" bring in Hitler to rebuild the human empire so they can fight off Jesus's horde of monsters. Next season of Drifters when? That's not actually how it goes, though now that I think about it you could argue that the the central racism country is secretly controlled by a jew if you wanted to look at as unfavorable as you can. The Jew in question of course being Jesus. Pener Kropoopkin posted:He retains his sense of ethics, but those ethics are also twisted into a self-serving rationalization. All the characters in Nazarick were literally built from the ground up by him and his friends in real life, and reflect all of their personalities & values - but being reclusives and outsiders even in the context of the original MMO did not make them good people. Fulfilling their fantasies in a real space has evil consequences. It's a direct challenge to escapist power fantasy. Yeah, OK, but does it go anywhere? I watched the first season and skimmed through a few of the later novels, but it certainly didn't seem like it did.
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Jul 21, 2021 23:31
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Hitler was sent to the fantasy world as part of the "good guys" side but he never gave a rat's rear end about fighting Jesus Christ and His Monster Mash, instead getting angry about elves
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Jul 21, 2021 23:35
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yeah drifters owns
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Jul 21, 2021 23:37
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Part of the problem is that the Drifters are just dropped into the other world with no explanation given and are left to fend for themselves whereas the goth loli who sends more midbosses to serve Jesus clearly does brief them beforehand
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Jul 21, 2021 23:46
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For what it's worth, it's awkward to bring up Reborn to Master the Blade for a variety of reasons (don't want to advertise here, definitely an example of video game mechanics, MC is an explicitly apolitical ubermensch) but it is tackling colonialism as a plot point, with the primary enemy faction thus far explicitly being a technologically-advanced country that started with arms-for-resources trades and is now attempting to roll out direct administration by its own officials as the price of the arms while also using "independent" traders as a front for slave-trading. Definitely not specifically good politics with the MC ~apolitically~ signing up with the compradors and fighting the resistance nearly as much as she fights the colonialists, but that particular angle is getting addressed directly and with decent takes about the colonizing side.
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Jul 22, 2021 00:03
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KomradeX posted:I have not watched How a Realist Hero saved the Kingdom, but it looks to me like another isekai where the fantasy is reproducing Late Capitalism in a fantasy setting
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Jul 22, 2021 00:04
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I think the best GATE girl was Tuka Luna Marceau
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Jul 22, 2021 00:24
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You might have not noticed it but the author of Drifters also wrote Hellsing, a manga about Dracula killing a division of schutzstaffel vampires.
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Jul 22, 2021 00:54
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GITS is about Section 9 constantly about to be shut down but then never happening because military budgets never shrink.
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Jul 22, 2021 01:00
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Section 9 got shut down several times, it's just that most people working for it are mercenaries so they just go find another PMC to work for. It's only Togusa who can't live outside of a Japanese bureaucracy and the Tachikomas because they are property get hosed over.
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Jul 22, 2021 01:06
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Red and Black posted:BTW if you have a VPN it’s on Japanese Netflix with English subtitles My VPN sub just experied last week because it was too tedious to turn on and off and my computer kept short circuiting with tmy work's VPN 
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genericnick posted:Yeah, OK, but does it go anywhere? I watched the first season and skimmed through a few of the later novels, but it certainly didn't seem like it did. It does take a while, but the series leaves off on Ainz finally making their debut to the world, and he does it by doing magical Hiroshima and murdering 170,000 people. It's so horrible that his own allies start plotting ways to get rid of him.
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Jul 22, 2021 02:20
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I wonder if there's anything such as a double isekai, which is when a character from another world gets taken to another other world.
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Jul 22, 2021 02:26
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I wonder if there's anything such as a double isekai, which is when a character from another world gets taken to another other world. turn-a gundam is a reverse-double isekai
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Jul 22, 2021 02:45
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Hello I am reporting back after watching one episode of SAC_2045. Awful. Hilariously awful. There's drinking and driving, littering, Terrorist Al Bundy, Sustainability wars, "The Good 1%er", Money is worthless and also crypto has vanished but people are still doing crimes for digital money, there's $25 coins, and so much more.
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Jul 22, 2021 02:47
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Yeah it wasn't as on point as some of the older stuff but like trump I'll keep drinking that garbage
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Jul 22, 2021 02:55
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I'm definitely interested in seeing where it goes, even if I don't care for a lot of it.
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Jul 22, 2021 02:59
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I wonder if there's anything such as a double isekai, which is when a character from another world gets taken to another other world. Yes. I can't recall the name of it, but there was a series like that brought up in one of the isekai threads. I think he was a double isekai where the MC got isekai'd to one world, died at some point then got isekai'd into another or some such effect.
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Jul 22, 2021 03:04
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doomrider7 posted:Yes. I can't recall the name of it, but there was a series like that brought up in one of the isekai threads. I think he was a double isekai where the MC got isekai'd to one world, died at some point then got isekai'd into another or some such effect. I read some manga about a guy who got reborn into a world, died, got reborn into a different world, was horrifically tortured for 20 years, and then got reborn into a third different world as a super powerful magical baby.
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Jul 22, 2021 03:10
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Gripweed posted:I read some manga about a guy who got reborn into a world, died, got reborn into a different world, was horrifically tortured for 20 years, and then got reborn into a third different world as a super powerful magical baby.  Well drat. Not sure if was that one, but still...drat.
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doomrider7 posted:
It was ridiculously grimdark, but kinda neat because the end result of all that suffering he went through was that he was really sympathetic to oppressed groups, and despite being a super powerful wizard he was still a baby and therefore dependent on the kindness of others
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