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so is this just more bellingcat-style bullshit where they squint really hard at google maps and assume every building with a fence around it must be a prison camp?
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Jul 22, 2021 05:23
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It's so transparently bullshit because the claim they're making is that according to the architectural plans and math, it COULD have space for a million cells or whatever, but not that such cells exist, or even if they're populated.
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Jul 22, 2021 05:30
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by casual glancing she was fulbright scholar (I can't recall if fulbright is a red flag) and she cut her teeth at New America Foundation which has some interesting donors: https://www.newamerica.org/our-funding/our-funders/ donors include: Ashton Kutcher (who I believe is extremely paranoid of China lol), Bill Gates, and at least two groups that are funding by Omidyar, our favorite Intercept and Bellingcat team player. looks like she gets invited to lovely nat sec Think Tanks that we all know care SO much about muslims world-wide it's just pretty interesting to see how someone can be "incubated" through all these networks of donors and foundations that prepare HARD-HITTING journalists that's drivel to propagate US imperial interests especially under the guise of liberalism and human rights. remember, this is the same buzzfeed team that hired the Occupy Wallstreet anarchist burlesque artist to draw images of the camps since they can't get any photos LOL
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Jul 22, 2021 05:42
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gradenko_2000 posted:It's so transparently bullshit because the claim they're making is that according to the architectural plans and math, it COULD have space for a million cells or whatever, but not that such cells exist, or even if they're populated. *lightbulb goes off* ghost prisons
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Jul 22, 2021 05:45
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heisenberg’s uighur: constantly incarcerated until the moment you actually observe him
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Jul 22, 2021 05:48
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mila kunis posted:*lightbulb goes off* ghost prisons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmC3ZhIHHi4
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Jul 22, 2021 06:23
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Comrade Koba posted:so is this just more bellingcat-style bullshit where they squint really hard at google maps and assume every building with a fence around it must be a prison camp? I mean, I live in the most advanced prison state in all of human history, so clearly any threat to that must be worse. 
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Jul 22, 2021 06:33
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gradenko_2000 posted:It's so transparently bullshit because the claim they're making is that according to the architectural plans and math, it COULD have space for a million cells or whatever, but not that such cells exist, or even if they're populated. oh ho well based on the fact that all the people who escaped* the murder camps** half a decade ago, they’re very overcrowded so we can only assume that so are the new facilities, which means upwards of three million Uyghurs are imprisoned *were released **prison school
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Jul 22, 2021 07:18
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you know you have a solid case for genocide when you're reduced to speculating about how much bad stuff a country could maybe hypothetically doGrapplejack posted:It's a little surprising they're doing this tbh, Britain only had two aircraft carriers in their entire navy iirc so it is a very significant part of their military force not really, because as mentioned the drat things don't loving work LimburgLimbo posted:TBH this is one of those things where a few high-end aircraft could probably run all over superior numbers in the right circumstances (or, maybe do nothing at all), and while strategically it may not matter much, if something really dumb happens, losing ~30 aircraft to a few brits would probably be such a bloody nose to the powers that be in china from a domestic standpoint that it's a not unreasonable deterrent in the right circumstances. even if we assume that this is true we must also remember that we're not talking about a high-end aircraft, we're talking the lemon that's the f-35
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Jul 22, 2021 08:05
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Yeah, as I said, it isn't that the British carriers are technically useless but an extremely poor fit for what they are trying to do with them. If anything, they seem designed to support something like a Libya-type of operation...not actually fighting the PLA toe to toe (it isn't going to happen etc etc). It feels like the Roman Empire just throwing random auxiliaries to the borders of Germania because they ran out of legions. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 08:31 on Jul 22, 2021 |
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Jul 22, 2021 08:24
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Cerebral Bore posted:you know you have a solid case for genocide when you're reduced to speculating about how much bad stuff a country could maybe hypothetically do Yeah the F-35 is rife with problems, could be that they get jump and out turned a close range etc, they could also very well wreck a few squads with beyond line of sight missiles (Brits are supposed to get Meteors but dunno if they've actually got them yet) with Chinese RADAR not even knowing where they are. I honestly think it's real hard for anyone with laypersons' info to make a reasonable determination. A lot of the negative news of F-35s focuses around cost overruns, maintenance issues, and some crashes which are probably combinations of maintenance/design stuff and pilot error or unfamiliarity. Just how combat effective it will be is still fairly up in the air and there's every chance despite being probably way over-priced it's very capable.
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Jul 22, 2021 08:52
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If you want a hearty lol the other China threads on the site have decided that the Italian think tank is fake and that the scientists listed are literally made up people who don’t exist because their brains are soup.
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Jul 22, 2021 08:59
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LimburgLimbo posted:Yeah the F-35 is rife with problems, could be that they get jump and out turned a close range etc, they could also very well wreck a few squads with beyond line of sight missiles (Brits are supposed to get Meteors but dunno if they've actually got them yet) with Chinese RADAR not even knowing where they are. I honestly think it's real hard for anyone with laypersons' info to make a reasonable determination. A lot of the negative news of F-35s focuses around cost overruns, maintenance issues, and some crashes which are probably combinations of maintenance/design stuff and pilot error or unfamiliarity. Just how combat effective it will be is still fairly up in the air and there's every chance despite being probably way over-priced it's very capable. If anything nowadays, up in the air at least, the odds are a lot more even at least if you talking about Russia/China v the US (in this case the UK but it is mostly US aircraft). The issue in particular is that the Elizabeth is flying F-35Bs (which is the vtol variant) which is going to have about 3/4th the range of a F-35A and most other comparable aircraft and that there are only 18 of them. Also, if Russia can spot F-35s with l-band radar, so can China. Obviously, the issue would be targeting but the modern Chinese aircraft also have modern AESA radar is nearly as powerful as American fighter based radar. Also, Russian/Chinese aircraft both have their own domestic datalink capacities and the PLAAF has the PL-21 which is also comparable to the Meteor/R-37. It isn't a situation like the Persian Gulf War where US aircraft are going to have a turkey shoot.
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Jul 22, 2021 09:12
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LimburgLimbo posted:Yeah the F-35 is rife with problems, could be that they get jump and out turned a close range etc, they could also very well wreck a few squads with beyond line of sight missiles (Brits are supposed to get Meteors but dunno if they've actually got them yet) with Chinese RADAR not even knowing where they are. I honestly think it's real hard for anyone with laypersons' info to make a reasonable determination. A lot of the negative news of F-35s focuses around cost overruns, maintenance issues, and some crashes which are probably combinations of maintenance/design stuff and pilot error or unfamiliarity. Just how combat effective it will be is still fairly up in the air and there's every chance despite being probably way over-priced it's very capable. china has actually proven fantastic long-range warplanes of their own with a massive numerical superiority, a fuckton of anti-ship missiles and submarines out the wazoo, if they wanted to that piddly lil' task force would be dead in minutes
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Jul 22, 2021 09:18
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like, even if we accept that inherent us exceptionalism means that those f-35s could shoot down a chinese squadron no sweat then all that would happen is that the chinese send out like five squadrons from different directions and after the f-35s have interecepted one of them those vaunted american superplanes come back to the smoking wreckage of their carrier and look real loving stupid
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Jul 22, 2021 09:30
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Did Western media just get really bad at creating a bunch of wargames and technical specification coffee-table books about the PLA, or have I just been missing a lot of them? Like, you could find out a lot about the Soviet Navy and Air Force just from playing Harpoon and reading Tom Clancy/Larry Bond, but setting aside "The Bear and the Dragon", where's all the Jane's Defense pieces on the PLAN missiles and carriers and aircraft?
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Jul 22, 2021 09:37
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that kind of hardware fetishist is on the wane I think. and people try not to openly salivate over going to war in the south china sea. the dominant aesthetic finds all that kind of stuff vulgur
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Jul 22, 2021 09:48
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Zedhe Khoja posted:If you want a hearty lol the other China threads on the site have decided that the Italian think tank is fake and that the scientists listed are literally made up people who don’t exist because their brains are soup. i lurk the China threads out of casual interest and I've seen several posters in that thread crow about how anyone who questions the State Dept narrative has been "torn to shreds" or "debated and destroyed" or something. But it's really just people who don't tow the line getting probed for some stupid amount of time and then not coming back because why bother engaging. The smugness about it is really weird.
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Jul 22, 2021 09:52
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gradenko_2000 posted:Did Western media just get really bad at creating a bunch of wargames and technical specification coffee-table books about the PLA, or have I just been missing a lot of them? The new Cold War with China is embarrassing because they are theoretically suppose to be the United States' ally. Also there is a large Chinese market which makes it unattractive to produce products you know will be banned. Also, I think part of it is the psychology of the era. In the 1980s, every effort was put in to make the USSR seem scary even through it was obviously starting to crumble and so the fear was if anything hollow and malleable. In contrast, the US has no proper plan to challenge China, so producing the threat is genuine, and that case, showcasing Chinese equipment is counterproductive.
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Jul 22, 2021 10:02
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libs have a pathological need to be seen as the good guys and now that their team is back in charge the us must once again be the best of all possible hegemons
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Jul 22, 2021 10:02
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the last time the brits got involved in overseas dick waving that actually went hot they ate poo poo to a shore based, outdated attack aircraft with a big dumb missile strapped to the bottom. Trying that poo poo against the PLA on their own turf is just lol.
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Jul 22, 2021 10:04
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It has been 72 hours and that coward hasn't shown their face again. Tucked their tail and ran. Heh. Pretty lenient that they got a 2-week probe after that zero effort 7,000 word post.
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Jul 22, 2021 10:13
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Zedhe Khoja posted:that kind of hardware fetishist is on the wane I think. and people try not to openly salivate over going to war in the south china sea. the dominant aesthetic finds all that kind of stuff vulgur Ardennes posted:The new Cold War with China is embarrassing because they are theoretically suppose to be the United States' ally. Also there is a large Chinese market which makes it unattractive to produce products you know will be banned. This makes sense, thanks.
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Jul 22, 2021 10:16
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https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1418074601096159234?s=19 It's funny the Olympics are supposed to be big prestige events for the hosting country, but this one has just been cringe and plague.
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Jul 22, 2021 10:21
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Overbudget, behind schedule, underdelivered. Sad! I'll still watch that garbage.
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Jul 22, 2021 10:33
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Comrade Koba posted:so is this just more bellingcat-style bullshit where they squint really hard at google maps and assume every building with a fence around it must be a prison camp? All the new buildings are prisons since China is the one country that notably only builds prisons. Makes perfect sense to me. Edit: Wait, I'm reliably informed that I was thinking of another country.
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Jul 22, 2021 11:20
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You can't make China the new Soviet when the elites want to do business and make money in China. https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/government-economy/us-china-goods-trade-booms-as-if-virus-tariffs-never-happened Also PRC only laser focus on Taiwan (much more so than SCS) when most Americans can't place Taiwan island on a map.
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Jul 22, 2021 11:29
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, as I said, it isn't that the British carriers are technically useless but an extremely poor fit for what they are trying to do with them. If anything, they seem designed to support something like a Libya-type of operation...not actually fighting the PLA toe to toe (it isn't going to happen etc etc). What they're trying to do with them is wave them around like a giant metal dick. And the only capability they need for that is that they don't break down on their own in Chinese claimed waters so that the PLA has to tow them to safety.
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Jul 22, 2021 11:59
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The thing about the UK carriers is that, they already made huge commitments and built 2 of them. That's a lot of investment if you look at their post cold war naval history. So the Brits have to wave them around somewhat in peaceful water. It's not like they will send their carriers over when poo poo hit the fans in Taiwan, or SCS. Has Boris said anything about SCS, not that I can recall.
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Jul 22, 2021 12:07
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genericnick posted:What they're trying to do with them is wave them around like a giant metal dick. And the only capability they need for that is that they don't break down on their own in Chinese claimed waters so that the PLA has to tow them to safety. I am talking in theoretical terms, but even then, it is a “odd shaped metal dick.” Anyway, China cares more about the SCS than Taiwan simply because it is more strategic. In the end, the heart of China’s economic strategy is trade and most of its trade lanes transit through the SCS.Taiwan is not exactly unimportant but it still fairly small potatoes in terms of economic value.
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Jul 22, 2021 14:02
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thalweg posted:i lurk the China threads out of casual interest and I've seen several posters in that thread crow about how anyone who questions the State Dept narrative has been "torn to shreds" or "debated and destroyed" or something. But it's really just people who don't tow the line getting probed for some stupid amount of time and then not coming back because why bother engaging. The smugness about it is really weird. This. There is no debate at all its kinda hilarious the degree to which it's a total echo chamber.
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Jul 22, 2021 14:17
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wtf did this dumb rear end say about the Holocaust
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Jul 22, 2021 14:55
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indigi posted:wtf did this dumb rear end say about the Holocaust It wasn't even recent but from like 1997.
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Jul 22, 2021 15:02
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Corky Romanovsky posted:It wasn't even recent but from like 1997. this is cancel culture run wild (idc if some probably rich dude gets fired from a grift Olympic post but it is kind of silly that we’re “holding people accountable” for dumb poo poo they said a quarter century ago, just make him apologize and visit a Holocaust museum and keep it moving)
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Jul 22, 2021 15:08
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Cerebral Bore posted:china has actually proven fantastic long-range warplanes of their own with a massive numerical superiority, a fuckton of anti-ship missiles and submarines out the wazoo, if they wanted to that piddly lil' task force would be dead in minutes Found this really funny quote. quote:https://news.usni.org/2021/01/27/u-s-admiral-china-can-keep-pouring-money-into-anti-ship-ballistic-missiles The Chinese are destabilizing the South China Sea by pointing missiles at our navy and we don't understand why. Anyway, the missiles aren't gonna work because America will win, so I love them pouring money into this fruitless boondoggle, actually.
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Jul 22, 2021 16:08
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Corky Romanovsky posted:It has been 72 hours and that coward hasn't shown their face again. Tucked their tail and ran. Heh. Pretty lenient that they got a 2-week probe after that zero effort 7,000 word post. I'm just surprised that people are still trying to trot out the whole 'adrian zenz and american puppetmasters controlling all western media making it up' argument when its been torn to shreds before in the thread.
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Jul 22, 2021 16:12
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stephenthinkpad posted:You can't make China the new Soviet when the elites want to do business and make money in China. At the same time American billionaires long to free their Chinese compatriots from under the cpc's yoke. Class solidarity doesn't override their business interests but they feel gulty whenever jack ma gets black bagged
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Jul 22, 2021 16:43
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https://twitter.com/Tsihanouskaya/status/1417964009891012614?s=20 Learning from Albright? lol that makes the call for sanctions even more sinister https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYagQuqK31s
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Jul 22, 2021 16:56
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mila kunis posted:I'm just surprised that people are still trying to trot out the whole 'adrian zenz and american puppetmasters controlling all western media making it up' argument when its been torn to shreds before in the thread. Do better at evaluating sources before you post genocide-denial-adjacent nonsense from sources that might not even actually exist.
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Jul 22, 2021 17:14
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if they actually wanted to critique the Italian study, Tom Fowdy is one of the credits but that would require actually acknowledging the study exists
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Jul 22, 2021 17:17
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