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Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

Dietrich posted:

I'm not even sure how to get VR porn without my steam status telling everyone I'm looking at porn.

the premier VR sex simulator is called Virt-a-Mate and exists outside steam and is both massively more explicit and more of an actual sex simulator than anything on Steam

it requires a nearly programmer level of comfort with hacking around with poo poo to get stuff to work and keep it working through updates, it's mostly amusing to me that it appears to be making the creator some high six digit salary at this point, based on Patreon.

it's deep into uncanny valley stuff and if you spend enough time setting up a scene to actually interact with it, you'll probably start to feel creepy about it at that point even if you were fine with stuff right up to that point

there's an ecosystem of patreon content creators around this, doing poo poo like "hey here's a model that totally 100% isn't Anna Nicole Smith and wasn't procedurally generated from photographs of her, I swear". The weirdest VAM post I read was a guy who.... made a super realistic model of his dead grandfather and then would go talk to it to try to get over his death?

So it's sort of a VR sex simulator sandbox for computer programmers that doubles as a way to relatively easily create quasi-photorealistic models of people based on photographs which you can also interact with in non sexy ways if you want.

Some of the custom peripherals people have made are, uh, interesting, too. There's a lot you can do with vive trackers, apparently :laugh:

As for status, I deliberately set my Discord status to "Playing Virt-A-Mate in VR" and left it that way for months as soon as I became aware of this product. I think it just shows up as VaM.exe in steam when it's actually running though and one supposes you can rename the executable.

edit: I'm great at terrible snipes lately.

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Blade Runner
Aug 14, 2015

I only bought VR Kanojo for the gameplay I swear

Anyway honestly all of this pales in comparison to the sex weird degeneracy of VRChat, which I hate

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.



Does it make your shoot on yourself though?

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

Blade Runner posted:

Anyway honestly all of this pales in comparison to the sex weird degeneracy of VRChat, which I hate

have you used virt-a-mate, I am curious what the comparison here looks like

I have no impulse to go explore sex degeneracy in VRChat because the solo nature of VaM made it monumentally less creepy feeling to muck with. I think if it was an online thing in a shared environment there's no way I would have even booted it, and my general skepticism of non-text online interactions has, so far, kept me away from VRChat or accepting blind game invites in Eleven. I probably need to get over this if I am ever gonna fully arrive in the Gibson timeline.

Bad Munki posted:

Does it make your shoot on yourself though?

I don't think this is possible out of the box but I bet there's a mod for it. Reddit maintains a directory of VAM plugins and it's got like 7000 things in it, many of which are paid Patreon content. It's impossible to easily estimate the full financial footprint of the Virt-A-Mate ecosystem but I don't think it's unreasonable to think dozens of people are making some kind of living building VR anime tiddies, which is also Pretty loving Gibson Timeline.

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
Just from a few videos I've seen of social VR chatting, a lot of people love to get weirdly close to you and that's not something I'm totally comfortable with. It's not real, sure, but your mind is a funny thing and can make even silly poo poo seem off-putting. I definitely wouldn't be cool with somebody touching my virtual junk uninvited.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

King Vidiot posted:

Just from a few videos I've seen of social VR chatting, a lot of people love to get weirdly close to you and that's not something I'm totally comfortable with. It's not real, sure, but your mind is a funny thing and can make even silly poo poo seem off-putting. I definitely wouldn't be cool with somebody touching my virtual junk uninvited.

From my experience the majority of VRChat's community has a fairly tacit understanding that personal space rules apply, and the only ones who really violate it are fuckwits you should block anyway. Most of the time when you're seeing VRChat clips, it's also of a private instance among close friends. Most Streamers will typically not go into public worlds for all the exact reasons you can think of.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Is there a program that you can use to evaluate different headsets etc? Like a test screen:



but animated/VR appropriate?

I picked up one of those Danol reverb g2 replacement gaskets and want to see as objectively as I can whether it's any different for me.

Blade Runner
Aug 14, 2015

Cabbages and Kings posted:

have you used virt-a-mate, I am curious what the comparison here looks like

I have no impulse to go explore sex degeneracy in VRChat because the solo nature of VaM made it monumentally less creepy feeling to muck with. I think if it was an online thing in a shared environment there's no way I would have even booted it, and my general skepticism of non-text online interactions has, so far, kept me away from VRChat or accepting blind game invites in Eleven. I probably need to get over this if I am ever gonna fully arrive in the Gibson timeline.

I don't think this is possible out of the box but I bet there's a mod for it. Reddit maintains a directory of VAM plugins and it's got like 7000 things in it, many of which are paid Patreon content. It's impossible to easily estimate the full financial footprint of the Virt-A-Mate ecosystem but I don't think it's unreasonable to think dozens of people are making some kind of living building VR anime tiddies, which is also Pretty loving Gibson Timeline.

It's mostly just people having weird fetishes that you don't have to interface with at all if you're only looking at your own weird porn. But VRChat is primarily user created content, so it's basically all DeviantArt poo poo.

Rectus
Apr 27, 2008

VelociBacon posted:

Is there a program that you can use to evaluate different headsets etc? Like a test screen:



but animated/VR appropriate?

I picked up one of those Danol reverb g2 replacement gaskets and want to see as objectively as I can whether it's any different for me.

The best thing to test it with is probably a literal eye test chart. There is a SteamVR Home environment with one available on the Workshop. I'd link it, but the whole Steam community web seems to be hosed at the moment.

Edit: It's up again: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2117162653

Rectus fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jul 22, 2021

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Cabbages and Kings posted:

the premier VR sex simulator is called Virt-a-Mate and exists outside steam and is both massively more explicit and more of an actual sex simulator than anything on Steam



Yeah like, you guys arguing about Super Hot really haven't looked over the edge of the waterfall to see where this could all end up.

Virt-a-Mate is loving wild and I'm not sure there is a more explicit naked truth of the human condition than this. People be horny.

Beastie
Nov 3, 2006

They used to call me tricky-kid, I lived the life they wish they did.


Just do what CoD did for No Russian. Start the game and it says “Yo this is going to have a self harm section would you like to skip it”

Done. I thought it was novel as hell but I get why some/most would want to skip it.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

KakerMix posted:

Virt-a-Mate is loving wild and I'm not sure there is a more explicit naked truth of the human condition than this. People be horny.



his minimum tier is $2 and I suspect most people pay for the $8 creator license. that is between $26000 and $104000 US dollars per month, all going to one person, because he did Virt-a-mate FIRST and, yea, people be horny. He's claimed to be deep in dev on version 2 for a long time but if he's just drinking $30 cocktails in Belize that's probably a better plan, or, at least, that's where I'd be.

Amazingly so, apparently. I have not tried to add up the patreon's of the handful of high profile content creatures but I see that MacGrubers VAM Lab is pulling $600/month itself.

I thought about making an encryption plugin to act as middleware between paid VAM content and Patreon to validate people's content access (and never store noncrypto versions in local storage), but I am not confident the market for something that specific is big enough to be worth the effort and it sounds like a lot of work. Work of a type that would be profoundly unhelpful on my resume unless my life changes a lot, lol.

Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jul 22, 2021

StarkRavingMad
Sep 27, 2001


Yams Fan

Cabbages and Kings posted:



his minimum tier is $2 and I suspect most people pay for the $8 creator license. that is between $26000 and $104000 US dollars per month, all going to one person, because he did Virt-a-mate FIRST and, yea, people be horny. He's claimed to be deep in dev on version 2 for a long time but if he's just drinking $30 cocktails in Belize that's probably a better plan, or, at least, that's where I'd be.

Amazingly so, apparently. I have not tried to add up the patreon's of the handful of high profile content creatures but I see that MacGrubers VAM Lab is pulling $600/month itself.

I thought about making an encryption plugin to act as middleware between paid VAM content and Patreon to validate people's content access (and never store noncrypto versions in local storage), but I am not confident the market for something that specific is big enough to be worth the effort and it sounds like a lot of work. Work of a type that would be profoundly unhelpful on my resume unless my life changes a lot, lol.

This thing still doesn't have any sort of AI or "game" to it, right? I remember looking at it long ago when the topic came up in some thread about weird VR poo poo, and my impression was that it was basically Poser in VR. But that was years ago.

The Eyes Have It
Feb 10, 2008

Third Eye Sees All
...snookums
A no kidding potential career change direction for me is leveraging the 100% human needs of horny nerds.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

Cabbages and Kings posted:



his minimum tier is $2 and I suspect most people pay for the $8 creator license. that is between $26000 and $104000 US dollars per month, all going to one person, because he did Virt-a-mate FIRST and, yea, people be horny.

Amazingly so, apparently. I have not tried to add up the patreon's of the handful of high profile content creatures but I see that MacGrubers VAM Lab is pulling $600/month itself.

The Sims 4 sex mod currently has 11.3k patrons and while the creator is hiding the amount of cash, just like everyone else on that site, 4.50 a month is what actually gets you early access to stuff. So thats potentially 50k a month? And thats just the backend stuff, it doesn't have the animations themselves which has its own sets of people with their own patreons who don't just lock early access but just plain access period behind paywall tiers....


I shoulda stuck with learning to draw or code. Instead I work a dead end retail job am a seasonal factory worker.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Leal posted:

I shoulda stuck with learning to draw or code. Instead I work a dead end retail job am a seasonal factory worker.

The wild thing about coding is that you can make even more than that for vastly less effort.

It's never too late to learn? Just go ask in YOSPOS there's plenty of people who've done the same, but for the most part it's going to be some version of "build a portfolio of small dev projects using in-vogue technologies and get into webdev".

It's several months of spare time effort though fair warning. Also most people probably won't be keen on handholding you without a lot of pestering, since that's kindof a lot of effort too.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
I have an annoying problem where when I connect my Quest to my PC, Windows also decides to redirect all the other sounds to my headset, like if I'm playing music or a podcast. I can't just disable the headset in audio devices because then the sound from the actual VR software I'm running will go to my speakers too, but even if I change the settings in sound mixer/sound settings, I have to do it all over again next time I reconnect. Is there a fix for this?

w00tazn
Dec 25, 2004
I don't say w00t in real life

StarkRavingMad posted:

This thing still doesn't have any sort of AI or "game" to it, right? I remember looking at it long ago when the topic came up in some thread about weird VR poo poo, and my impression was that it was basically Poser in VR. But that was years ago.

It's literally Poser in VR and has all the poser sliders to go with it.
It does have basic scripting support so you can make interactive comics if you'd please. There are also basic plugins that will add idle animation states and other things to make it more creepy/lifelike.

Unless you've found a resource for premade scenes that someone else has spent time mocaping, the app itself is pretty lackluster and will require a lot of time / effort in order to get anything meaningful out of it outside of it being a Toy Doll simulator.

I've also found the VR (at least the OVR plugin) to be pretty broken the last time I tried it, and it's missing a lot of features you'd think would be built in for something that was intended to be VR first. (IE repositioning yourself while possessing an actor without trackers)

Haptical Sales Slut
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49
So after building a new pc and the Index still having all the same issues as before, I tried the USB port on the front of my case as a last ditch effort and surprise it works like 90% of the time the first time!

So the ‘fix’ seemed to be a standard usb 2.0 connection, as that’s the only diff between the ports I can find.

Now my question is why does it only work 90% of the time? I suppose I could open some sysinternals tools to track what drivers / files are (not) loading? Is there like a open git repo people contribute to for the SteamVR env., or is this all proprietary black box stuff?

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Nuts and Gum posted:

So after building a new pc and the Index still having all the same issues as before, I tried the USB port on the front of my case as a last ditch effort and surprise it works like 90% of the time the first time!

So the ‘fix’ seemed to be a standard usb 2.0 connection, as that’s the only diff between the ports I can find.

Now my question is why does it only work 90% of the time? I suppose I could open some sysinternals tools to track what drivers / files are (not) loading? Is there like a open git repo people contribute to for the SteamVR env., or is this all proprietary black box stuff?

Probably Windows being stupid, it still struggles with hot swapping USB and loading drivers sometimes. Try rebooting your machine before connecting it and it'll probably work 100% of the time.

I've missed iRacing races before because my setup just suddenly isn't connecting and I have to do a windows reboot before it'll work and then poo poo I missed quali.

StarkRavingMad
Sep 27, 2001


Yams Fan

w00tazn posted:

It's literally Poser in VR and has all the poser sliders to go with it.
It does have basic scripting support so you can make interactive comics if you'd please. There are also basic plugins that will add idle animation states and other things to make it more creepy/lifelike.

Unless you've found a resource for premade scenes that someone else has spent time mocaping, the app itself is pretty lackluster and will require a lot of time / effort in order to get anything meaningful out of it outside of it being a Toy Doll simulator.

I've also found the VR (at least the OVR plugin) to be pretty broken the last time I tried it, and it's missing a lot of features you'd think would be built in for something that was intended to be VR first. (IE repositioning yourself while possessing an actor without trackers)

Weird.

And this is coming from the guy who admitted he bought the dumb VR strip club game on Steam. But at least that you just load it up and it goes and has the appearance of like, autonomous NPCs. I can't imagine spending time laboriously building a Poser sex scene in VR and being like "well now I can watch this, I guess"

King Vidiot
Feb 17, 2007

You think you can take me at Satan's Hollow? Go 'head on!
Captain Hardcore is better :colbert:

Er... so I've heard, from a friend.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


One of my friends is a regular pole dancer in VRChat - she lines up a virtual pole with a real one in her house, then the rest is just Vive trackers. She invited me along to one of her shows (I guess I could go anytime, but whatever), and it was pretty good, everyone was goofing around with their stupid avatars the same as usual in VRChat, and the world itself was really well done, with stages that could vanish into the floor to swap out dancers between sets.

Even for an event that was just dancing with no actual nudity, they were super hot on privacy - Discord invites through mods only, everyone is vetted on entry into a private world then allowed into the main arena, after which it's locked by the mods, explicitly no recording except for one approved person, etc etc. Essentially the devs know they could potentially land themselves in trouble if they are seen to give explicitly adult content their tacit approval, so they notoriously come down hard on NSFW content that is publicly available, but anything that stays in private instances is left alone.

The other fun thing I learned that evening: so there's this range of adult toys called Lovense that can be paired over the internet, the idea being that long distance couples can interact with each other by having feedback from one toy affect the haptics and motor in whichever device they're paired with. But of course, people immediately realised that if you load up a program like VRChat, add an extra apendage to an avatar, track when it clips through, I don't know, let's say another avatar, then send that data back to the haptics in whatever network connected gentleman's aid you happen to have lying around...

Basically, VR porn is wild and it's going to be a whole other world once the first set of cheap haptic gloves get finished (as opposed to the ruinously expensive studio models currently available).

e: I cannot stress enough that 'my friend' is not a euphemism, I wish I was that loving limber.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

This is the worst take.

They literally give you a gun and make you shoot yourself. They made it an option to opt out but what if you don’t know about that option because you just jumped into the game and want to play?

Taking someone who is already suicidal and making them mime out the act of killing themselves is really hosed and is definitely going to be extremely triggering for some people.

It would be the same if a game made you act out shooting up heroin or smoking crack or something like that and you put a recovering drug addict into it. You claim to be sensitive to mental health issues due to your own but it sure seems like you don’t understand them. You say it’s selfish to demand that the world change to your needs but it’s also selfish to demand your shootmans game not change a small detail that you apparently like to potentially help other people

Also, it doesn’t fundamentally change the game. The game is still the game. You still shoot polygon mans in slow motion and struggle around the worst throwing mechanic in the history of VR. It’s all the same. It’s not like there is some deep superhot lore that hinges on that scene, it’s just a thing to shock people and the game moves on. That’s it.

If it helps one person by not having to pretend to kill themselves, then it’s worth it and you still have your game exactly the way it always played.


Leaving it off by default, having an option to turn it back on in the settings menu later. This was the solution.

I don't disagree with the idea of removing it from the default playlist. Fair. Removing it entirely is stupid.

It also don't matter. They have had the previous versions in the steam beta menu forever, so whatever. Just downgrade and play it. This patch is purely for quest anyways and you all know it.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Jack Trades posted:

Forcefully bringing down everyone's experience because you require special accommodations is incredibly loving selfish and I'm speaking as a person who requires special accommodations because of their mental health issues.

When I find myself in a situation that is harmful to my mental health I remove myself from that situation instead of forcing everyone to deal with my poo poo because, as Jokerpilled Drudge put it, I have functioning empathy for people around me.

Duuuuuuude, there's shitposting and then there's this.

Shine
Feb 26, 2007

No Muscles For The Majority
I do not give a solitary poo poo about being unable to do a forced suicide bit in a videogame. This will not affect my enjoyment of Red Polygon Shooter in the slightest.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


I never considered Super Hot to actually have a plot, more just a general theme and feel. And it felt like a thematically appropriate end, in the sense of "well, done killing now, bye world!". In a different game it might be worth arguing the merits. But in this case, I'm not really fussed if they wanted to change it.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
Dusted off my headset and went into VR chat and uh




well uh

bawk
Mar 31, 2013

Leal posted:

Dusted off my headset and went into VR chat and uh




well uh



:confused: What seems to be the problem

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Looks normal to me. VRChat is great to go on safari in.

Lacrosse
Jun 16, 2010

>:V


Leal posted:

Dusted off my headset and went into VR chat and uh




well uh



Look up 'spider fun maze' and get back to us

Edit: here's a link https://en.vrcw.net/world/detail/wrld_0f6b1149-da02-4079-997a-97dc0959973b

Senator Drinksalot
Apr 30, 2013

Kiss me up, touch me, fuckin' rock my world holmes, I don't care
Pistol Whip is really fun but are they ever gonna add music that doesn't suck to it?

azurite
Jul 25, 2010

Strange, isn't it?!


I think the point of the Superhot suicide thing is that suicide hits closer to home for more people than committing cartoon shootings (at least until mass shootings become even more of a common experience).

I get the rationale for disabling it. I won't judge if you don't. Not everyone shares the same experiences or has the same feelings about them. Should art forms be systematically scrubbed of uncomfortable subject matters? Well, no, but if the creator feels that it detracts more than it adds, then more power to them.

lurker2006
Jul 30, 2019
what's a gpu recommendation for smooth sailing with devices in the pipe? 4k 60fps+ tier card?

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

StarkRavingMad posted:

This thing still doesn't have any sort of AI or "game" to it, right? I remember looking at it long ago when the topic came up in some thread about weird VR poo poo, and my impression was that it was basically Poser in VR. But that was years ago.

right, it's an incredibly open ended sandbox for creating behavioral plugins for some of the most realistic VR models currently in consumer entertainment

...and everything about the way it's designed is geared towards making sex sims.

it's interesting that Steam rejected it, given that they do allow some adult content. I haven't paid much attention to porn games on steam; the stuff that makes VaM weird and interesting is the community driven nature of it and the fact that it's not a game and you can barely even call it a framework for making games.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

Lacrosse posted:

Look up 'spider fun maze' and get back to us

Edit: here's a link https://en.vrcw.net/world/detail/wrld_0f6b1149-da02-4079-997a-97dc0959973b

You're a monster

Senator Drinksalot
Apr 30, 2013

Kiss me up, touch me, fuckin' rock my world holmes, I don't care
My guess is either a 1070 or 2070 will be the minimum specs for newer headsets so yeah get the best gpu you can afford. 3090s are terrible value though, a 2080 or 3080 will probably be fine

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


I wonder if we'll hear any announcements on any newer headsets this year? I think the only announcement or reveal this year was the vive stuff, and even then those were aimed at a business segment.

2019 had the index, reverb, rift s, cosmos, quest all come out
2020 had the quest 2, and g2
and 2021 so far has only gotten mention of the new vive


I certainly hope we see some more at least reveals this year, a refreshed index, quest pro, renewed microsoft vigor in VR, something.

Elendil004
Mar 22, 2003

The prognosis
is not good.


How do I refund something I bought on the Q2? I don't see any option in the store or anything.

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explosivo
May 23, 2004

Fueled by Satan

Elendil004 posted:

How do I refund something I bought on the Q2? I don't see any option in the store or anything.

Through the app on your phone, in the purchase history menu

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