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nine-gear crow posted:They also sort of realized that writers are usually boring as poo poo to write about, especially in a series were basically everyone else has a more applicable skill set, world experience, and position of authority and privilage to survive a galactic war.
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Y'know what, I'm re-watching Disco Season 3 and... I like it. I don't care how that paints me. It entertains me. It's pretty, I've grown to like most of the characters and I genuinely like just having more Star Trek. I've intermittently bitched about stuff in various versions of this thread as I've fallen in and out of love with something that was a fixture of my life in my formative years and I'm honestly just glad it's still around - in any fashion, but at least in one that shows that Viacom at least gives enough of a poo poo about it to keep it around in any medium. Because Star Trek, for however bad it can be, is still aspirational at least to a degree, and tiny me always loved that. Big me still does; it helps deaden the cynicism of the world just a little. ...Still gonna go back to my never-finished DS9 marathon after this, though, because that's the real mac and cheese my soul needs these days.
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You don't actually have to think liking Disco implies anything about you as a person. Quite a few folk like it. I like it.
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SamBishop posted:Y'know what, I'm re-watching Disco Season 3 and... I like it. I don't care how that paints me. It entertains me. It's pretty, I've grown to like most of the characters and I genuinely like just having more Star Trek. I can definitely empathize with many of these feelings but I still can't help but feel there's something sad about it, like my Transformers collection or Russia's space program
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SamBishop posted:I genuinely like just having more Star Trek. I do too, I just wish someone would make some
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HopperUK posted:You don't actually have to think liking Disco implies anything about you as a person. Quite a few folk like it. I like it. It just means you like Discovery. Over time I've grown to appreciate Voyager, which is a hilarious thing to think that maybe a decade ago I would railed against it.
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Hollismason posted:Just got to Nor the Battle to the Strong S5 E4 and it was a Jakecentric episode which normally I don't like but it was all about the frontlines of the war. Really good episode I was surprised I hadn't watched it in a long time and I was engrossed by it. He kind of peaked early with "The Visitor". I think they were kind of intimidated after that because they didn't want to retroactively taint that episode. And the callback in the finale is pretty brutal. There were some episodes like "In The Pale Moonlight" where they were going to give him a major role, but they couldn't bring themselves to do it -- just felt too pessimistic.
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I watched 'The Visitor' fairly recently for the first time since my dad died and that was a kick in the stomach in a way I wasn't quite prepared for, somehow, even though I knew full well, I've seen it a bunch of times.
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HopperUK posted:I watched 'The Visitor' fairly recently for the first time since my dad died and that was a kick in the stomach in a way I wasn't quite prepared for, somehow, even though I knew full well, I've seen it a bunch of times. I feel the same way when I watch The Offspring.
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Khanstant posted:All those other people would probably make for more interesting writers too. I wonder what qualifies as a famous or successful author or artist in the federation. Does your youtube video need trillions of hits to count as viral? Do many artists peak at really hot poo poo globally, but remain total nobodies even as close as that planet's moon? Do different planets or species have their own separate internets and social media / content-aggregates or is there a big FedNet everyone logs into for their shitposting. Mankind no longer finds a need for shitposting, in the 24th century people effort post. We've grown out of our infancy. Tom Guycot fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jul 22, 2021 |
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well im 20th century man and here are all trek series ranked voy ds9 tng ld gq disco ent picard tos the movies
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Every episode of Sex and the City was about a writer writing about her life and it was a big enough deal to get two movies and a comeback. They could've made Jake writing about the war super interesting. They just didn't. As it stands, it's pretty weird that Nog isn't main cast and Jake the recurring cast member.
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Jake could very easily have been the reporter that interviews Picard and who makes him lose his poo poo by calling him out over what a dumbass he'd been over leaving Starfleet, but that would both be pointless continuity porn and probably would have just been a character assassination on Jake's part as well given how Richter is handled in that interview too. Or hell, maybe not, maybe Jake still kinda hates Picard like Sisko did and wants to make him look bad intentionally because Picard killed his mom as Locutus. I dunno. I don't write this poo poo.
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nine-gear crow posted:Jake could very easily have been the reporter that interviews Picard and who makes him lose his poo poo by calling him out over what a dumbass he'd been over leaving Starfleet, but that would both be pointless continuity porn and probably would have just been a character assassination on Jake's part as well given how Richter is handled in that interview too. Or hell, maybe not, maybe Jake still kinda hates Picard like Sisko did and wants to make him look bad intentionally because Picard killed his mom as Locutus. Jake: First, question, Have you ever punched a Q? Next question, Why not, coward?
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"The opportunity never arose. But I can assure you that if Q had teleported me into the boxing ring and put gloves on my hands, I'd have played along with his little game just as well as your father did."
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The DS9 missed opportunity I think about is Weyoun never encountering the prophets or wraiths.
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Continuing with my watching and I'm on episode 14 Season 5. Worf saying " I will kill him at the first sign of betrayal but I will bring his body back" about Garak made me laugh pretty hard. Worf and Garak was a perfect combo especially Garak just loving with Worf the whole trip. Worf is probably one of my favorite characters. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jul 23, 2021 |
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Jake was a great opportunity to examine how federation civilians view starfleet or what a non-starfleet person is like. In Valiant he is great because he basically says, you all are crazy and they try to call him out for having no military experience and does cow to their pressure. They probably could of done more with it. If you were to bring him back in a future Picard series, to bring a modern context he is an outsider writing about the ills plaguing Federation and Starfleet culture.
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heard someone talking poo poo about dukat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gwjsIwTNSA
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Alchenar posted:The DS9 missed opportunity I think about is Weyoun never encountering the prophets or wraiths. Right?? It's easy to scoff at 'wormhole aliens' but surely a god with no physical body at all is even better than a goopy one. Mass convert the Vorta to the Prophet religion and move them all to Bajor imo. I think the novels actually do have a Weyoun working for the wraiths but I'm basing that only on a cover I saw.
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LividLiquid posted:Captain Worf should've happened. "Captain Worf, we detected a ship approaching" "PREPARE FOR RAMMING SPEED!"
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HopperUK posted:I think the novels actually do have a Weyoun working for the wraiths but I'm basing that only on a cover I saw. Yeah, that was in the Millenium books, which take visit a future where everything is batshit crazy turned up to eleven, that timeline gets erased by the end of the trilogy though. Weyoun becomes Kai of the Pah Wraiths of the Red Wormhole after he's the first to travel through it and the Wraiths rewire him to serve them instead of the founders.
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MikeJF posted:Yeah, that was in the Millenium books, which take visit a future where everything is batshit crazy turned up to eleven, that timeline gets erased by the end of the trilogy though. Weyoun becomes Kai of the Pah Wraiths of the Red Wormhole after he's the first to travel through it and the Wraiths rewire him to serve them instead of the founders. That sounds fuckin awesome to be honest. He's my favourite.
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HopperUK posted:I watched 'The Visitor' fairly recently for the first time since my dad died and that was a kick in the stomach in a way I wasn't quite prepared for, somehow, even though I knew full well, I've seen it a bunch of times. The Visitor gets to me, and I've never met my dad. It's just that well done.
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LividLiquid posted:Captain Worf should've happened. I kind of like the direction they went with him. "You hosed up enough that you'll probably never be promoted," is something that would not have happened on TNG.
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Alchenar posted:The DS9 missed opportunity I think about is Weyoun never encountering the prophets or wraiths. His species is specifically designed to have no imagination so no alien induced hallucinations 
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Axe-man posted:His species is specifically designed to have no imagination so no alien induced hallucinations That begs the question then, would Weyoun also be immune to Q's bullshit too then?
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Alchenar posted:The DS9 missed opportunity I think about is Weyoun never encountering the prophets or wraiths. Mine is Lwaxana Troi making life absolutely miserable for every Vorta assigned to oversee Betazed's occupation.
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nine-gear crow posted:That begs the question then, would Weyoun also be immune to Q's bullshit too then? Q would have a hard time digging up interesting settings, but otherwise everything Q does is very real. Picard was always immune to Q in the sense that he didn't believe anything presented, but that didn't make any difference. The real question is whether Q could convince Weyoun that he was a Founder.
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For some reason, I just imagined the ending of 'The Survivors' in the Mirror Universe. Mirror 'Big Guns' Picard: "We have no law to fit your crime. In fact, it's not even a crime, so... would you like to join us? There's an awful lot of races out there to snap out of existence."
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BonHair posted:Q would have a hard time digging up interesting settings, but otherwise everything Q does is very real. Picard was always immune to Q in the sense that he didn't believe anything presented, but that didn't make any difference. Well he ain't a solid
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I still wonder if when the Dominion had first occupied DS9, and Odo was the only Founder there for a bit, could he have gone full authoritarian 'hey Weyoun, get the gently caress off this station, you all need to leave, occupation's over' and had it at least *begin* to work?
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BonHair posted:Q would have a hard time digging up interesting settings, but otherwise everything Q does is very real. Picard was always immune to Q in the sense that he didn't believe anything presented, but that didn't make any difference. Fair point. The only four characters who've proven themselves Immune To Q Bullshit so far have been Picard, Sisko, Janeway, and Mariner.
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HopperUK posted:I still wonder if when the Dominion had first occupied DS9, and Odo was the only Founder there for a bit, could he have gone full authoritarian 'hey Weyoun, get the gently caress off this station, you all need to leave, occupation's over' and had it at least *begin* to work?
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Founder Leader was still in charge so I don’t think so. She hadn't arrived just quite yet
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FlamingLiberal posted:The Founder Leader was still in charge so I don’t think so. Yeah, Weyoun probably had a strong “I don’t want to get choked out” autonomic response associated with every thought he has about the Female Changeling. Well aside from that one Weyoun who went crazy…
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Hollismason posted:Continuing with my watching and I'm on episode 14 Season 5. Worf saying " I will kill him at the first sign of betrayal but I will bring his body back" about Garak made me laugh pretty hard. Worf and Garak was a perfect combo especially Garak just loving with Worf the whole trip. It's funny to me how many people say that DS9 ruined Worf's character. Worf was such a badly written character on TNG. The vast majority of his character traits were just the result of the writers being lovely, not really knowing what to do with him, and ultimately turning him into this weird, whiny caricature. It's like how the writers were clearly going for socially awkward, but harmless with Geordi and overshot right into total creep. Worf is loving awesome but he really needed DS9 to rehabilitate his Klingon tryhard-ness into an actual character-defining trait.
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