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Valve choosing Linux isn't just a 'vendetta' against Microsoft. It's a good business decision, because they won't need to pay for a Windows license on every steam deck they sell.
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I have those grips too and they do make the switch feel huge. And crappy since it doesn’t have rumble  As far as installing windows goes, I’m sure it’ll work okay but lol at your battery life. I’m sure one of the benefits of using the OS it comes with is it’s actually optimized for it!
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Jul 23, 2021 03:25
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Nuts and Gum posted:I have those grips too and they do make the switch feel huge. And crappy since it doesn’t have rumble This goes for game performance too. I expect windows to be a resource hog on this thing compared to SteamOS.
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Jul 23, 2021 03:34
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Nuts and Gum posted:I have those grips too and they do make the switch feel huge. And crappy since it doesn’t have rumble I've used the Horis but I went and tried: https://www.amazon.com/binbok-Controller-Wireless-Replacement-Adjustable/dp/B08ZH4XXNY And I couldn't be happier, this is the 2021 version that fixes the dpad. It's not incredible or anything but has replaced my Hori and Satisfye E: oops my bad it's the Steam Deck thread, I got a 512 for Q1
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Jul 23, 2021 03:35
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The Gadfly posted:Valve choosing Linux isn't just a 'vendetta' against Microsoft. It's a good business decision, because they won't need to pay for a Windows license on every steam deck they sell.
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Jul 23, 2021 03:47
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:This goes for game performance too. I expect windows to be a resource hog on this thing compared to SteamOS. Not having to go through Proton and having 'native' running games can help performance vs. the overhead required by Proton. Windows might require more resources, but does that take more or less shoving Windows games through Proton?
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Jul 23, 2021 03:48
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It depends mostly on what APIs the game uses, some stuff actually performs better via proton than natively. Anything with Vulkan support especially. Most stuff just runs, negliably worse. If (big if) the compatibility is good then it's not worth giving a poo poo booting into windows for that extra 5% or whatever, ime
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Jul 23, 2021 03:54
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:It is quite big though, isn't it No one takes their switch out so that's not an issue really :p The way people actually take their handhelds out is basically specific to normal people who are vaguely embarrassed of being seen with it or nervous of it being stolen. People will use them in controlled situations most often, or planes etc. where you're sitting and the size won't matter.
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Jul 23, 2021 03:58
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repiv posted:I've been perusing ProtonDB a bunch and I just can't see casual users getting along with this level of jank, unless Valve pulls off a miracle with the private branch they're sitting on. There's been compatibility lists being compiled for handheld gaming PCs for a while now. A fair chunk of Windows games crash if you put the PC to sleep, older games require graphics wrappers in order to display properly etc. Installing Windows isn't going to be a be-all end-all solution.
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Jul 23, 2021 04:03
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Hey so stadia might have a use after all! All of the games on stadia are Linux so devs could just take those versions and throw them on steam lol Hundreds of games! RDR2 would be a neat one to get a Linux version of though.
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Jul 23, 2021 04:31
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RDR2 on Windows already has a Vulkan renderer, a native Linux port isn't likely to be any better. It would be useful for Windows versions of games to merge in Vulkan renderers made for Stadia!
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Jul 23, 2021 04:34
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MarcusSA posted:Ok I lied Props to these mad lads for hand-counting every frame in the promo videos to see the framerates they're running at (locked 60 for doom eternal, 30 to 40 for fallen order)
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Jul 23, 2021 04:43
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repiv posted:Neither is the Switch, really Yeah I carry my switch around in a sidebag all the time. Deck will definitely fit in there.
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Jul 23, 2021 05:03
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Marx Headroom posted:Yeah I carry my switch around in a sidebag all the time. Deck will definitely fit in there. Also the deck comes with a case by default which is actually super cool and good.
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Jul 23, 2021 05:12
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MarcusSA posted:Hundred
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Jul 23, 2021 07:01
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pseudorandom name posted:It occurs to me that since every game gets installed in its own separate Proton instance, they could run the game in its own cgroup, fake a Windows hibernation, and then suspend the cgroup. Indeed. I looked at some of the code that is public and they are using bwrap and flatpak to put games into their own cgroup and isolated from the host file system, so all the dark magic you can do with cgroups is readily available to steam. It really depends on how far they want to push it and how much they want to depend on kernel features that some may not have.
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Jul 23, 2021 07:30
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So this is pretty big tbh Valve plans on having the Deck auto set the TDP for the game but! They are also releasing an open source program to let users change it them selves per game. This video explains why it could be awesome for the deck (or other handhelds). https://youtu.be/8xSgbodizp0 If valve and can do what he describes in the second half of the video that could be a real game changer for portable pc gaming. As it is right now it’s up to each user to find tweaks and quite frankly it’s a pain in the rear end.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:09
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Sounds like CoreCtrl but integrated into Steam? Tbh it seems a bit ambitious to me to have all these things ready to go.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:42
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Have any of the videos said how easy it is to take apart? Save a lot of money buying the low end one and cloning it to a TB drive.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:53
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They say it’s not user serviceable because it is behind EMI shielding and a thermal spreader.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:58
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Valve is dead to me.
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Jul 23, 2021 18:59
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pseudorandom name posted:They say it’s not user serviceable because it is behind EMI shielding and a thermal spreader. Some laptops have their SSD behind that kind of shielding, this is what you can probably expect https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPUYfBJaJ14&t=334s Takes a bit more effort than a simple swap but it's not the end of the world
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Jul 23, 2021 19:08
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Also depends on how it is put together. Hopefully it's not modern iPhone levels of cramped. Real interested in a tear down, as is everyone.
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Jul 23, 2021 19:13
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The exposed screws on the back bode well for it not being a clipped/glued together nightmare at least
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Jul 23, 2021 19:14
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repiv posted:The exposed screws on the back bode well for it not being a clipped/glued together nightmare at least While I expect it will be far more serviceable than most modern devices, everything but everything has some clips these days. Also, for those who missed it, they said in the ign interview a few pages back that they're targeting 30fps at somewhat lowered graphics settings for current, graphically demanding games. An accomplishment for a mobile SoC to be sure.
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Jul 23, 2021 19:40
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I think it’s to be expected. If they want it to be accessible they shouldn’t get to hung up on 60/30 as most don’t care. As long as it’s consistent most won’t even notice
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Jul 23, 2021 19:42
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Also, for those who missed it, they said in the ign interview a few pages back that they're targeting 30fps at somewhat lowered graphics settings for current, graphically demanding games. An accomplishment for a mobile SoC to be sure. Yeah, that's largely a matter of good timing though. It's launching at the tail end of a console generation when most AAAs are still targeting 8 year old hardware that wasn't all that fast even when it launched, and as things shift forward towards the new console generation AAA performance requirements are going to run away from what's really feasible on a handheld, even a hypothetical Deck gen2. The Deck will be able to run indies and other less demanding games for a very long time though.
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Jul 23, 2021 19:43
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The Steam Deck is going to be a fantastic machine for emulation.
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Jul 23, 2021 20:34
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repiv posted:Yeah, that's largely a matter of good timing though. It's launching at the tail end of a console generation when most AAAs are still targeting 8 year old hardware that wasn't all that fast even when it launched, and as things shift forward towards the new console generation AAA performance requirements are going to run away from what's really feasible on a handheld, even a hypothetical Deck gen2. I think you'll have a lot of people still targeting the ability to play stuff on the Switch, and anything that can run there will run on the Deck very easily. I also expect game streaming will keep progressing, which should help a lot; but yeah, even modern AAA stuff like 2077 is gonna be hard pressed to run very well.
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Jul 23, 2021 20:35
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It's disappointing that the battery isn't designed to be easily removable. Imagine having spare batteries that you could charge separately, and pop one in for an instant 100% charge.
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Jul 23, 2021 21:05
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The Gadfly posted:It's disappointing that the battery isn't designed to be easily removable. Imagine having spare batteries that you could charge separately, and pop one in for an instant 100% charge. Easily removable batteries is just another casualty of post 2010 technology
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Jul 23, 2021 21:23
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It would cost fractions of a penny to have a cut out for a battery compartment, production can't take that kind of frivolousness! RT though are there even any standardized batteries in that size? Google is only giving me dell laptop batteries, and contrary to the above, manufacturing your own removable battery probably isn't cheap. The availability of replacement cells could well be a concern though.
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Jul 23, 2021 21:29
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Gutcruncher posted:Easily removable batteries is just another casualty of post 2010 technology Thanks Obama
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Jul 23, 2021 21:31
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Gutcruncher posted:Easily removable batteries is just another casualty of post 2010 technology Part of the cause here is that it's no longer "a battery" that can be easily popped in and out. Big devices these days have a bunch of cells arranged to fill every bit of available space, and making that user-replaceable means losing a bunch of that volume and then people complain that your widget doesn't have as much battery life as the other devices with non-removable batteries.
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Jul 23, 2021 21:33
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Groovelord Neato posted:Have any of the videos said how easy it is to take apart? Save a lot of money buying the low end one and cloning it to a TB drive. Good luck, the Steam Deck uses a M.2 2230 SSD which is small as gently caress an not the standard size of M.2 drive. Newegg doesn't even carry a 1TB version in that form factor. A video I watched, don't remember which, someone found a site that had one in stock an it's well over $200; you'd end up paying more than the highest tier. Just get a large MicroSD.
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Jul 23, 2021 22:34
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sigher posted:Good luck, the Steam Deck uses a M.2 2230 SSD which is small as gently caress an not the standard size of M.2 drive. Newegg doesn't even carry a 1TB version in that form factor. A video I watched, don't remember which, someone found a site that had one in stock an it's well over $200; you'd end up paying more than the highest tier. Valve has also said that all the games the IGN dude was playing were off the SD card as well. I don’t think playing off the SD card is going to be quite as bad as people imagine.
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Jul 23, 2021 22:37
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The IGN people were playing from SD card but they never commented on or showed the load times as far as I can remember I'm sure playing games from SD will be adequate, just not ideal
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Jul 23, 2021 22:41
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It'll depend a lot on the quality of the SD card. Getting a cheap and slow one will be horrible no matter what the device itself can do over the interface.
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Jul 23, 2021 22:51
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repiv posted:The IGN people were playing from SD card but they never commented on or showed the load times as far as I can remember The read speed is what it is, and that information is out there. Games aren’t going to magic something up to make an SD card better.
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The current common 1TB m.2 2230 drives will potentially not fit because they're too fat. The KBG40ZNS1T02 for example is a fatter form factor than its 512GB counterpart, the KBG40ZNS512G. Incidentally, if you search on ebay for the KBG40ZNS512G, you'll find some at around the $100 mark, but even then you'll notice the underside isn't quite flat if you pay attention to the pics. According to Kioxia's website, the 1TB model is "m.2 2230-S3", while the 512GB model is "m.2 2230-S2". You could conceivably order the 64gb Deck and slap a $100 512GB after-market SSD in there and have the $650 model for $500 (minus the bonuses), but I'd be wary of doing this until the device is in people's hands and we know what is and isn't compatible, and how easy such a swap would be.
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