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Yossarian-22 posted:https://twitter.com/ReginaIplau/status/1416759584966864899 is there a better source for this? the big picture is interesting but some parts read like they used google translate
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Jul 21, 2021 00:20
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indigi posted:is there a better source for this? the big picture is interesting but some parts read like they used google translate http://www.cese-m.eu/cesem/2021/05/disponibile-nuovo-rapporto-sullo-xinjang-promosso-con-eurispes-e-istituto-diplomatico-internazionale/ Translated, https://idi-international.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/New-Report.pdf Institute domestically funded according to somebody on /r/TheMajorityReport, which has been surprisingly receptive https://www.reddit.com/r/TheMajorityReport/comments/oo6pfg/italian_research_institutes_release_report_re/ Aaron Maté tweeted about it earlier today
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Jul 21, 2021 00:32
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For the love of god please keep Sam Seder out of the Marxism thread
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Jul 21, 2021 00:43
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MLSM posted:For the love of god please keep Sam Seder out of the Marxism thread It was the first secondary source that came up when I googled it :|
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Jul 21, 2021 00:57
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Yossarian-22 posted:http://www.cese-m.eu/cesem/2021/05/disponibile-nuovo-rapporto-sullo-xinjang-promosso-con-eurispes-e-istituto-diplomatico-internazionale/ awesome thanks
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Jul 21, 2021 01:01
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https://twitter.com/Anime_Tankie/status/1417588506780585984 https://twitter.com/clarkis117/status/1417739442295644163
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Jul 21, 2021 07:59
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The transformation of labor through industrial capital isn't altogether bad for society in material terms. Guilds preserved their labor power by practicing exclusivity in who could be accepted as apprentices, and the labor transformation in production made it so anybody could be an industrial laborer with a bit of education & training. Overthrowing the guild system was still good in the aggregate, even if from the individual level on the factory floor, the transformation left laborers worse off. Or to put it another way, it is cool and good through the massive increase of productivity and availability of manufactured goods & the destruction of guild monopolies - but it's bad in the new ways that it imisserates labor. The new contradictions simply demand their resolution through socialism. It wouldn't be possible in the long run for labor to be truly liberated without this historical transformation having occurred.
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Jul 21, 2021 08:33
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Yossarian-22 posted:aaayyyyy u make upa da numba in da china!! why a u gotta do dat huh??? yeah its funny Ardennes has issued a correction as of 08:44 on Jul 21, 2021 |
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Jul 21, 2021 08:40
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Meanwhile we've apparently had a doctor shortage for years while the effort in time and money to become a doctor is kept artificially high. Just promote senior nurses to doctors after a given amount of time. They do most of the work anyway.
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Jul 21, 2021 13:12
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/Anime_Tankie/status/1417588506780585984 "Today's episode is sponsored by the Mykola Lebed Human Rights Foundation"
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Jul 21, 2021 13:38
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Meanwhile we've apparently had a doctor shortage for years while the effort in time and money to become a doctor is kept artificially high. A lot of craft unions still operate like guilds too. It's way easier to get into some fields when your dad is already a union member.
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Jul 21, 2021 16:31
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Jul 22, 2021 00:17
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new ameriCIAn left
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Jul 22, 2021 00:33
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/07/22/remarks-by-president-biden-after-marine-one-arrival-4/ Q Okay. And are there people who — in the Democratic Party, who want to defund the police? THE PRESIDENT: Are there people in the Republican Party who think we’re sucking the blood out of kids?
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Jul 23, 2021 14:35
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what’s the Marxist stance on/analysis of eugenics, and has it changed over time? I’ve read about (English-speaking) marxists at the dawn of the 20th century who thought it was a good idea although some of them eventually soured on it, like HG Wells. maybe they had a different cultural understanding of the idea at first, kinda hard to tell
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Jul 23, 2021 22:07
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if they were down with eugenics they were not Marxists because it's an inherently anti-egalitarian practice that basically postulates that most people are worthless. kind of the extreme opposite of marxism
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Jul 23, 2021 23:04
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indigi posted:what’s the Marxist stance on/analysis of eugenics, and has it changed over time? I’ve read about (English-speaking) marxists at the dawn of the 20th century who thought it was a good idea although some of them eventually soured on it, like HG Wells. maybe they had a different cultural understanding of the idea at first, kinda hard to tell wtf
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Jul 23, 2021 23:04
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things have evolved past the need to use eugenics to prevent the people they don't want from reproducing
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Jul 23, 2021 23:11
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Larry Parrish posted:if they were down with eugenics they were not Marxists because it's an inherently anti-egalitarian practice that basically postulates that most people are worthless. kind of the extreme opposite of marxism well I think initially eugenics was less about prohibiting certain people to breed and more about just matching the “best” people together. at least that’s how Wells described it in some of his early writings on the matter (he was against sterilization etc.)
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Jul 23, 2021 23:12
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indigi posted:well I think initially eugenics was less about prohibiting certain people to breed and more about just matching the “best” people together. at least that’s how Wells described it in some of his early writings on the matter (he was against sterilization etc.) that still means that your deciding that some people are inherently less valuable. that's not egalitarian even if it's not genocide like most people understand eugenics to be.
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Jul 23, 2021 23:15
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no one is going to take away the hundreds of kwisatz haderaches i've bred in ck3
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Jul 23, 2021 23:17
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Actually, you'll find that "eating all the rich" is a form of Marxist genocide. I am highly intelligent.
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Jul 23, 2021 23:28
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Larry Parrish posted:if they were down with eugenics they were not Marxists because it's an inherently anti-egalitarian practice that basically postulates that most people are worthless. kind of the extreme opposite of marxism it's entirely possible for a marxist to make a mistake or hold a view you find objectionable. eg stalin banned homosexual sex in 1934
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Jul 23, 2021 23:28
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yeah I’m just trying to find out if they had any sort of justification for their support or if they were just loving up
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Jul 23, 2021 23:32
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indigi posted:yeah I’m just trying to find out if they had any sort of justification for their support or if they were just loving up If you really want to care, Sanger's argument is the most coherent: a genetically healthy proletariat is better for the revolution than a proletariat swollen in numbers: because of their own class consciousness, the elite ALREADY practice eugenics within their own ranks. But it's all irrelevant, tightly controlling the propagation of the antinatalism meme gives you all of the benefits with none of the blowback.
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Jul 23, 2021 23:39
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https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1934/08/ame.htm While the romantic numskulls of Nazi Germany are dreaming of restoring the old race of Europe’s Dark Forest to its original purity, or rather its original filth, you Americans, after taking a firm grip on your economic machinery and your culture, will apply genuine scientific methods to the problem of eugenics. Within a century, out of your melting pot of races there will come a new breed of men – the first worthy of the name of Man.
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Jul 23, 2021 23:43
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i basically just think that since so many genes have unknown expression or poorly understood inheritance it's better to focus on simply educating everyone as well as possible, and ensuring everyone has as healthy and safe of an upbringing as possible. in the future when we know what we're doing for sure we can think about gene therapy or something. but as of now there's no telling if your voluntary ubermensch breeding program would actually produce an objectively 'better' person or if it would simply produce a culturally more ideal person, which is just racial supremacy with scientific trappings
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Jul 23, 2021 23:46
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Larry Parrish posted:i basically just think that since so many genes have unknown expression or poorly understood inheritance it's better to focus on simply educating everyone as well as possible, and ensuring everyone has as healthy and safe of an upbringing as possible. in the future when we know what we're doing for sure we can think about gene therapy or something. but as of now there's no telling if your voluntary ubermensch breeding program would actually produce an objectively 'better' person or if it would simply produce a culturally more ideal person, which is just racial supremacy with scientific trappings bro, implicit in every act of voluntary reproduction is the notion that you are contributing something to the world and elevating its mean.
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Jul 23, 2021 23:50
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Enjoy posted:it's entirely possible for a marxist to make a mistake or hold a view you find objectionable. eg stalin banned homosexual sex in 1934 it's true. but homosexuality I think is a bad example. we're materialists, and at the time, it wasn't know that homosexuality is a biologically normal thing that mammals just do. as egalitarians, it shouldn't matter what people do on their own time, but you can make arguments that purely cultural things don't matter or don't deserve the same respect as materialist things. so you could marxistly come to the conclusion that gays are just decadent assholes without necessarily being dead wrong 100 years ago. to be clear, it would still make you less of an egalitarian and an rear end in a top hat yourself, though. i think eugenics doesn't fit under this flawed but still materialist approach because the desire to have children is a biological impulse which is not a purely social construct, and therefore only a bad Marxist would ignore that this desire is real and everyone should be allowed to fulfill if they want. we didn't know there was a material basis for homosexuality at the time, which makes it understandable if not excusable.
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Jul 23, 2021 23:53
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of course banning cultural practices is in of it self pretty anti materialist because how could you know for sure it's a social construct without having the practice to study???? anyway this is all probably making me sound like a loving idiot
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Jul 23, 2021 23:55
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Ferrinus posted:https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1934/08/ame.htm did we do it
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Jul 24, 2021 00:01
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Larry Parrish posted:only a bad Marxist would ignore that this desire is real and everyone should be allowed to fulfill if they want lol what incel pipe dream is this
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Jul 24, 2021 00:02
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Anime Bernie Bro posted:lol what incel pipe dream is this what are you smoking dude? it's how mammalian brains work.
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Jul 24, 2021 00:09
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In Training posted:did we do it technically we've got until 2034
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Jul 24, 2021 00:16
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anyway treating people as though they've got inherently superior or defective essential natures is undialectical, and if anything stories like sanger's show that the socialist movement has been so (correctly) against eugenics since basically its inception that it's sometimes been too hostile or at least dismissive to things like birth control or abortion
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Jul 24, 2021 00:18
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A breeding that's selected by human design is too susceptible to aesthetic and cultural sensibilities to avoid becoming dysgenic in the long term.
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Jul 24, 2021 00:29
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indigi posted:what’s the Marxist stance on/analysis of eugenics, and has it changed over time? I’ve read about (English-speaking) marxists at the dawn of the 20th century who thought it was a good idea although some of them eventually soured on it, like HG Wells. maybe they had a different cultural understanding of the idea at first, kinda hard to tell I think it comes out of Malthus who, bourgeois shithead that he was, planted the seeds for the scientific racism that dominates liberal ideology to this day. when you either can’t see class, or can’t imagine eliminating it, and you’ve killed god at the source of all truth, then there must be some natural or scientific reason that the poor can get hosed. the natural endpoint is nazism which posits a literal master race above all others
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Jul 24, 2021 00:35
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Enjoy posted:it's entirely possible for a marxist to make a mistake or hold a view you find objectionable. eg stalin banned homosexual sex in 1934 enjoy the troll post!
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Jul 24, 2021 00:36
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Centrist Committee posted:enjoy the troll post! where's the lie
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Larry Parrish posted:of course banning cultural practices is in of it self pretty anti materialist because how could you know for sure it's a social construct without having the practice to study???? anyway this is all probably making me sound like a loving idiot nah I totally get it and it’s a good explanation Larry Parrish posted:what are you smoking dude? it's how mammalian brains work. I think they read “everyone should be allowed to fulfill if they want” as “the state should provide a breeding partner to those who desire one”
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Jul 24, 2021 00:52
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