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kartikeya posted:A really good sum up that was released recently is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWJVMoe7OY0. Not a lot of editorializing, mostly a minute by minute breakdown of what happened, when, and where. Anyone who watched the impeachment has seen most of this (I think there's some new footage, but that's about it), but it's all fit into 40 minutes rather than several hours. I watched the attack happen in real time, I watched the impeachment presentation, and I still felt like this video was a needed reminder that "yeah, this happened, and it was bad". The country is being gaslit hard, and no one's immune to this kind of thing. Yeah, I saw that video about a week or so ago and it really shows what went down well. You'll be horrified and angered at the incompetence of both Trumpers and security, and really puts the "Innocent Babbitt" myth to rest
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The grand conspiracy can invent a hoax virus and hoax 5G vaccine to enslave you to the commies, but they cannot just invent a list of american-sounding first names. That's beyond their power. Also Republicans: "Why didn't this doctor publish her patients' names? makes u think"
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Jul 23, 2021 17:55
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:Republicans: "You can't ask me if I'm vaccinated. That's a HIPAA violation." Republicans think it's spelled "HIPPA"
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Jul 23, 2021 19:10
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I saw that interview. There are some deeply dug-in brainworms in that guy.
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Jul 23, 2021 19:45
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Zeroisanumber posted:I saw that interview. There are some deeply dug-in brainworms in that guy. It really felt like "Yes, I nearly died, may be mamed for the rest of my life, am going to be wracked with medical debt and may have passed the deadly plague to my family, but you know what really scares me? The vaccine, Who knows what it might have done to me"
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cr0y posted:It really felt like "Yes, I nearly died, may be mamed for the rest of my life, am going to be wracked with medical debt and may have passed the deadly plague to my family, but you know what really scares me? The vaccine, Who knows what it might have done to me" 
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Jul 23, 2021 20:02
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I mean if you actually had good reason to believe the vaccine is at best worthless if not more harmful then covid, then that reaction makes sense. Like if I almost died from covid and somebody said "well now don't you wish you'd taken Miracle Mineral Solution to avoid all this" I'd be like "no, drinking bleach would not have helped, it would just have injured me more." This guy is just a moron who is getting bad information from con artists. I understand his attitude a lot more than the people who are like "oh whoa this can actually happen to me, I should have gotten the vaccine after all", motherfucker hundreds of thousands of deaths, do you think life is a video game where bad stuff only happens to NPCs for plot reasons?
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Jul 23, 2021 20:16
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I really think guys like that are just victims of the conspiracy theory sunk cost fallacy. They'll never admit they've been duped.
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Jul 23, 2021 20:23
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Scratch Monkey posted:I really think guys like that are just victims of the conspiracy theory sunk cost fallacy. They'll never admit they've been duped. Not that he was likely to spontaneously reevaluate before he got covid, but no doubt he's digging in harder now because the alternative is admitting you almost died and/or killed your family for no reason
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VitalSigns posted:I understand his attitude a lot more than the people who are like "oh whoa this can actually happen to me, I should have gotten the vaccine after all", motherfucker hundreds of thousands of deaths, do you think life is a video game where bad stuff only happens to NPCs for plot reasons? They do. Media has conditioned them to think they're the main characters of their own movie or TV show and that bad poo poo only happens to other people.
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Jul 23, 2021 20:28
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VitalSigns posted:I mean if you actually had good reason to believe the vaccine is at best worthless if not more harmful then covid, then that reaction makes sense. Like if I almost died from covid and somebody said "well now don't you wish you'd taken Miracle Mineral Solution to avoid all this" I'd be like "no, drinking bleach would not have helped, it would just have injured me more." This guy is just a moron who is getting bad information from con artists. First this guy chooses who to listen to. He has agency. Second the human brain pretty much does make you think you’re in a video game where you’re the pc. We’re larded up with cognitive biases and faults. And I think everyone is solipsistic to some degree, like I get that life will continue after I die but do I really care?
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pseudanonymous posted:And I think everyone is solipsistic to some degree, like I get that life will continue after I die but do I really care? I would loving hope so.
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VitalSigns posted:
I'm not sure what video games you've been playing but my main character has been dying of dyssentery for 30+ years
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VitalSigns posted:I understand his attitude a lot more than the people who are like "oh whoa this can actually happen to me, I should have gotten the vaccine after all", motherfucker hundreds of thousands of deaths, do you think life is a video game where bad stuff only happens to NPCs for plot reasons? Not even that complicated. It's more "The bad thing didn't happen to me". They know the poo poo happens to people. But they don't care because it didn't happen to them. Same thing I got last meeting i had at work where I told them the 7 day workweek was pushing people to snapping I got the response "Why do you care what happens to other people?" Because I'm not an rear end in a top hat and generally care about others
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I don’t get why the trumpies are so against the vaccine. Even the big baby himself pushed for them.
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Jul 24, 2021 09:08
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Enver Zogha posted:I remember when Glenn Beck had his own show on Fox News and would bring pseudohistorian David Barton on to amaze his viewers with stuff like "did you know WOMEN participated in the American Revolution???????????? I bet America-hating feminists never told you that! So much for America being a misogynistic country." I remember Barton wrote a book so wrong it got pulled. It was about how Jefferson was a big American modern style evangelical who believed in biblical literalism and poo poo. Which is just the dumbest poo poo. Jefferson was a lot of things some of them really loving horrid but one thing he wasn’t was some weird fundie.
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Jul 24, 2021 12:31
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Nitrousoxide posted:I don’t get why the trumpies are so against the vaccine. Even the big baby himself pushed for them. Because Biden is for the vaccine, and opposing democrats is the second most important thing to them
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Jul 24, 2021 12:35
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Nitrousoxide posted:I don’t get why the trumpies are so against the vaccine. Even the big baby himself pushed for them. They're not scared of some flu. They're big strong strapping manly men; only weak liberal pussies are scared of a cold. (They are idiots and even after trpm got the vax he kept saying covid wasn't a big deal.)
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Karma Comedian posted:(They are idiots and even after trpm got the vax he kept saying covid wasn't a big deal.) "I got it and survived it*. So can you!" * with massive amounts of first rate medical care and experimental drugs and even then just barely
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I remember Barton wrote a book so wrong it got pulled. It was about how Jefferson was a big American modern style evangelical who believed in biblical literalism and poo poo. Which is just the dumbest poo poo. Jefferson was a lot of things some of them really loving horrid but one thing he wasn’t was some weird fundie. Wasn't he the one that wrote the special bible where he cut out all the god parts and it was just communist jesus going around doing good works for the hell of it? Sure wish he himself lived by that maxim. Alas, John Adams remains the only good founding father.
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The right's whole obsession with Soros being some sort of puppetmaster of the left is so drat weird. By all accounts the guy is a pretty bog standard lib who has enough sense to see reactionaries as dangerous. I remember last summer when they assumed that he was paying all of the protesters and secretly coordinating them because they completely failed to comprehend horizontal organizations and couldn't imagine anyone doing organizing and protesting for free.
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Zeroisanumber posted:The right's whole obsession with Soros being some sort of puppetmaster of the left is so drat weird. By all accounts the guy is a pretty bog standard lib who has enough sense to see reactionaries as dangerous. It's because he's jewish and gives a lot of money to left/liberal causes.
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quote:( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you. ) lol, that's the saddest self-empowerment fantasy I've seen in a while
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Zeroisanumber posted:The right's whole obsession with Soros being some sort of puppetmaster of the left is so drat weird. By all accounts the guy is a pretty bog standard lib who has enough sense to see reactionaries as dangerous. I mean, most of the right-wing protests are top-down organized and typically astroturfed. They happen because some big chud name or org goes "everybody go here to own the libs." They can't comprehend people just hitting the streets organically. Stuff like Charlotesville and 1/6 was planned months in advance. This happens with smaller right wing protests too. This just isn't what happened/happens with stuff like the protests last summer.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I mean, most of the right-wing protests are top-down organized and typically astroturfed. They happen because some big chud name or org goes "everybody go here to own the libs." They can't comprehend people just hitting the streets organically. Stuff like Charlotesville and 1/6 was planned months in advance. This happens with smaller right wing protests too. This just isn't what happened/happens with stuff like the protests last summer. The second I finished watching the George Floyd video I remember thinking that the city was going to burn and that I hoped we could run all of the pigs out of town. But even I didn't expect things to pop off as big as they did. What confuses me about the FReep mindset is that they were surprised by the uprising, then totally misconstrued its motives, then assumed that the next phase would be for rioters to pour out of the city and sack the suburbs. They were operating from a completely different set of values and facts, and it was interesting to watch them apply their own neuroses to what was happening to give us a glimpse into their darkest fears.
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downout posted:Thanks for kind of outlining what it really was. It's not something that should be downplayed. It was a coup attempt; it was serious. Let's take it seriously and treat it as thus. Separate it from attempts to combat police militarization and combating abusive police. There is probably much more, but let's deal with the nuanced complication of the situation. I dont think you understand that the ones calling the shots wont seperate it from police militarization. This wont get you what you want and I hope the short lived vindication is worth it.
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I kinda wonder what they're even going to do when Soros dies peacefully in his sleep from natural causes relating to old age. Do they nominate a new hate-sink or just pretend he's still plotting against them from a cryo-tube buried under a casino?
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Zeroisanumber posted:The right's whole obsession with Soros being some sort of puppetmaster of the left is so drat weird. By all accounts the guy is a pretty bog standard lib who has enough sense to see reactionaries as dangerous. Which is weird given all the rallies they had and the whole protest/insurrection riot in DC and the multiple alt right marches over the past five years
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DarklyDreaming posted:I kinda wonder what they're even going to do when Soros dies peacefully in his sleep from natural causes relating to old age. Do they nominate a new hate-sink or just pretend he's still plotting against them from a cryo-tube buried under a casino? They have backups. Most likely Bill Gates will move from 2nd place into first. Hes gained a lot of traction with the vaccines lately.
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RagnarokAngel posted:They have backups. Most likely Bill Gates will move from 2nd place into first. Hes gained a lot of traction with the vaccines lately. That won't even work half as well. Soros kinda holds up as a right-wing boogeyman because he's effectively a non-factor; he's never really doing anything that anyone cares or talks about, which means that nothing they accuse him of is ever actually refuted. But Bill Gates? Not only are we much more aware of what he's up to, a good chunk of the left legitimately do hate him. So there actually is voice against accusations about Gates, while there really just isn't for Soros.
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Cleretic posted:That won't even work half as well. Soros kinda holds up as a right-wing boogeyman because he's effectively a non-factor; he's never really doing anything that anyone cares or talks about, which means that nothing they accuse him of is ever actually refuted. Yeah they only hate Bill Gates now because he's tangentially related to the people telling them to mask up and get vaccinated. A year from now any freepers not dead from the Omicron variant will completely forget why they're mad about him
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Nitrousoxide posted:I don’t get why the trumpies are so against the vaccine. Even the big baby himself pushed for them. Trump didn't turn them into paranoid conspiracy theorists. He used the strain of paranoid crazy that had been building in the GOP for a while to hijack control of the party from the stiff suits like Jeb and Mitt Romney. They love him because he tells them exactly what they want to hear and echoes their beliefs back to them (  telling it like it is), and he's a showman who can work a crowd. If they don't like what they hear they ignore it: "he's listening to the wrong people", "they've got something on him", etc and if he does it too much and starts sounding like another boring RINO suit they'll move on to the next carnival barker
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If Trump had won reelection and pushed for the vaccine, the anti vax crowd would be much smaller. A lot of it is sour grapes from Trump losing. They're just dipshit babies throwing a tantrum.
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:If Trump had won reelection and pushed for the vaccine, the anti vax crowd would be much smaller. A lot of it is sour grapes from Trump losing. They're just dipshit babies throwing a tantrum. But the hardcore antivax Trumpers were antivax before him and they'd basically just be doing this  The Deep State is in the driver's seat, they're making Trump go along with all this covid tyranny, etc
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RagnarokAngel posted:I dont think you understand that the ones calling the shots wont seperate it from police militarization. I legitimately cannot wrap my brain around the argument that taking what happened seriously, when "what happened" was "the president openly incited a bunch of his loony followers to go join the attack on the government that was already in progress, because they'd planned it, for the purpose of overthrowing an election and installing a dictator, and now one of the two political parties is openly advocating for the end of democracy", is the bad course of action that will lead to more militarization. I mean. Maybe it's because you aren't taking it seriously, I don't know, but burying our heads in the sand and going LA LA LA out of fear that any action might make the government crack down more on leftists is pretty short-sighted. Refusing to look at what's happening right now, and will continue for the foreseeable future, has nothing to do with being a good leftist. The people who tried, and are trying, to overthrow the government and put an end to democracy in this country are the biggest advocates for the militarization of everything that we have. They tried to make antifa a terrorist organization, for gently caress's sake. Remember how they tried to prosecute literally everyone in that Trump protest/women's march, asking for decades in prison? Because that was a thing that happened that we all forgot in the avalanche of everything else, and it was at the very, very beginning of the presidency they want to restore. Being lenient doesn't make that better, or even keep it the same; it encourages them more, makes it more likely they will crack down in the future, not less, because there are little to no consequences. They openly fantasize about murdering anyone they suspect of being a leftist, and considering they think Biden is "radical", that's a whole lot of people. They're giant racists who sit around muttering (or shouting) about those people, where "those people" are anyone who isn't white, straight, cis, and generally male. For years, probably the entire time this thread has existed, the dark humor about Freep is that as horrible as they are, they're a bunch of old cowards that talk big but will never actually act themselves. Turns out that with enough support they will, because the insurrectionists? They might have never posted on the site, but they're Freepers. They're Freepers, and Nazis (and frequently both). Why, oh why, should we not take a hard swing toward a bunch of fascists that have proven they are, in fact, actually willing to take action toward their goals? And by hard swing, I mean enforce the laws we already have. Enforce those laws. There's no need for new laws. There's no need for increased militarization. There's no extra pressure against leftists because they already enforce those laws against leftists (and then some). Hold the insurrectionists properly accountable for what they did, and stop downplaying what it actually was because that's life-threateningly dangerous, that's all I, or anyone I've seen in this thread, are actually asking for.
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Herman Merman posted:lol, that's the saddest self-empowerment fantasy I've seen in a while Yeah, that's my absolute favorite Freep signature. And he's had it for many years. Given Freep's demographics, views on medicine, and general healthy habits status, he's probably long since gone past 'old man' and at this point is no threat just in general. Despite his swaggeringly manly self-image.
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All I'm saying is I hope you know what you're getting, and are ready to accept the consequences if its not. I am still more afraid of the police than I am these chucklefucks. RagnarokAngel fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jul 24, 2021 |
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