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The Lone Badger posted:The method we've been using in SA is to lock down immediately then get the contact tracing done while nobody is going anywhere. Once you've finished tracing you can tell everyone else to get going again while the people you identified remain in quarantine. Something that drives me up the wall is that quick lockdown vs playing chicken has come to be characterised as a Melbourne vs Sydney thing, when in fact it's every other state and territory that has agreed that quick lockdowns are the least bad strategy, and only New South Wales which likes to let the fire burn a little longer to see whether it will get out of control or not.
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freebooter posted:Something that drives me up the wall is that quick lockdown vs playing chicken has come to be characterised as a Melbourne vs Sydney thing, when in fact it's every other state and territory that has agreed that quick lockdowns are the least bad strategy, and only New South Wales which likes to let the fire burn a little longer to see whether it will get out of control or not. That's just really in media and commentary from people in Melb/Sydney. In the rest of the country it's definitely seen as a Gladys vs Everyone Else thing.
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Jul 27, 2021 00:53
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How good is the federal government for making a disaster payment to support workers during covid lockdowns, then making it so if you are registered for jobseeker you're not eligible, even if you haven't been paid any jobseeker, then tightly defining the areas they support to only areas where transmission is already occurring. So you either register for jobseeker lockdown day 1 and kiss the significantly higher disaster payment goodbye or don't register for jobseeker and hope people around you start coughing but not too close please. Naturally jobseeker isn't back dateable either. 
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Senor Tron posted:Anti-corruption is one of the big things that I reckon Labor is going to hit hard as part of the election campaign, and given their history during the better part of a decade they've been in government (Jesus loving Christ that hurts to write) it's something that the Coalition is going to find it hard to push too hard against. Agree to create an anti-corruption body in the election campaign and then just not do it, repeat in another 3 years.
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Jul 27, 2021 03:07
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bell jar posted:Why would Labor be anti-corruption? They've been out of power for long enough that they have a lot less scary skeletons in the closet.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Agree to create an anti-corruption body in the election campaign and then just not do it, repeat in another 3 years. gotta give them another term to do it tho
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Solemn Sloth posted:Agree to create an anti-corruption body in the election campaign and then just not do it, repeat in another 3 years. another Christian Porter success story!
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Jul 27, 2021 04:46
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Federal Labor are pissed that their leaders get raked over the coals for giving free legal advice to their partners, but the Libs can plunder the treasury to buy votes time and time again with only the faintest of blowback when they get caught. The idea they want to keep the status quo just because they'd like it if they could also do a corruption is pretty pessimistic. Or not pessimistic enough, I guess.
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Jul 27, 2021 06:05
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Solemn Sloth posted:Agree to create an anti-corruption body in the election campaign and then just not do it, repeat in another 3 years. My take based on recent history is that they will successfully establish it but without retroactive power so LNP is scot free (nationals in particular), more or less immediately be caught out by a scandal involving an ALP backbencher, which dogs them until election then LNP has a smashing victory and immediately dismantles the anti corruption body. On basis of that experience ALP seen as completely corrupt for next decade. Assuming Labor wins, which they probably won’t.
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If Albanese announced it I might be with you there, what with him seemingly having no spine to speak of, but Mark Dreyfus announced it, and he announced it with retroactive powers. I just don't see him being in on this bit, or them being willing to gently caress him over on this.
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Eediot Jedi posted:How good is the federal government for making a disaster payment to support workers during covid lockdowns, then making it so if you are registered for jobseeker you're not eligible, even if you haven't been paid any jobseeker, then tightly defining the areas they support to only areas where transmission is already occurring. Turns out adhd + centrelink = bad. There's a list of four options when you go to claim. The first is lockdown + living in a covid hotspot. When I went through that and selected my area, instead of doing something helpful like saying "oh poo poo you're in the wrong place go here" it just said fuckoff.
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Eediot Jedi posted:Turns out adhd + centrelink = bad. There's a list of four options when you go to claim. The first is lockdown + living in a covid hotspot. When I went through that and selected my area, instead of doing something helpful like saying "oh poo poo you're in the wrong place go here" it just said fuckoff. Centrelink's entire system is built to be as punishingly awful to interact with as possible to try and dishearten people from seeking support they are entitled to. I'm very sorry you have to deal with it.
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Saw that Egg Boy, the teen who hit Fraser Anning with an egg, was trending on Twitter, turns out he's now spreading COVID-19 disinfo on IG: https://www.ladbible.com/news/latest-will-egg-boy-connolly-flagged-for-posting-covid-19-misinformation-20210727quote:Will Connolly has been flagged by Instagram for posting fake information about the coronavirus pandemic.
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gently caress me, that kid was a hero. EDIT: Why is there no milkshake duck smilie? Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 11:26 on Jul 27, 2021 |
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You don't have to be particularly smart to clown on Anning Going to a small Nazi rally held on private property and cracking an egg on the dude's head and then getting beaten up ruled, but it wasn't a smart thing to do The Peccadillo fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Jul 27, 2021 |
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Megillah Gorilla posted:gently caress me, that kid was a hero. You either die an eggboy or live to see yourself become the anning
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So, another four weeks for NSW. I wonder if they'll take it seriously this time?
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Resident Idiot posted:So, another four weeks for NSW. I wonder if they'll take it seriously this time? The ringtail possum came out of its tree hollow today and sadly saw its shadow, meaning another 4 weeks of lockdown for NSW. (The possum is probably the closest Australian equivalent of a groundhog, a type of squirrel.)
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Resident Idiot posted:So, another four weeks for NSW. I wonder if they'll take it seriously this time? Who isn't taking it seriously? The people working essential jobs locked into their LGA's or the government that locked them in there and implemented a 10km limit for everyone else? Everything non-essential is closed, outdoor masks are pointless because there are no cases of outdoor transmission, a curfew doesn't stop essential workers going to work and that and households is where the transmission is happening based off of every single statement and piece of data released. It's all about giving people better financial support, better communications and doing whatever they can to reduce risk in essential workplaces at this point.
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Centusin posted:Who isn't taking it seriously? 
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Centusin posted:Who isn't taking it seriously? The people working essential jobs locked into their LGA's or the government that locked them in there and implemented a 10km limit for everyone else? Everything non-essential is closed, outdoor masks are pointless because there are no cases of outdoor transmission, a curfew doesn't stop essential workers going to work and that and households is where the transmission is happening based off of every single statement and piece of data released. You can do click and collect from JB hi-fi apparently, so... I don't buy it. The other 3 states with outbreaks from NSW managed to reign it in and you've still got people getting sick not knowing where its from. Remember when Italy melted down and to go to the store you had to line up down the road, metres apart? My hot take is that NSW is still trying to soften the blow on their economy by allowing too many people to move around for "work" reasons. When that list of essential services could be slashed to a skeleton crew for a week whilst the contact tracers catch up. But that would require payments to people so they'd stay home. A stop to rent and mortgage payments (commercial as well) and everyone just watches the Olympics, or they get to go buy their groceries once every 3 days. That's it. I go read a news article about whose spreading it still, and it's both blaming the young people but also talking about 'different settings', and pushing the need for people to vaccinate, people who can't vaccinate. The messaging is a dogs breakfast and the strategy is borrowing from countries that failed to contain it. And then the article finishes by saying, drum roll for this bit, young people are spreading it because they are the essential workers moving around for work. NSW worst state.
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Eediot Jedi posted:Turns out adhd + centrelink = bad. There's a list of four options when you go to claim. The first is lockdown + living in a covid hotspot. When I went through that and selected my area, instead of doing something helpful like saying "oh poo poo you're in the wrong place go here" it just said fuckoff. I'm sorry too you have to go through this poo poo mate.
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Blamestorm posted:My take based on recent history is that they will successfully establish it but without retroactive power so LNP is scot free (nationals in particular), more or less immediately be caught out by a scandal involving an ALP backbencher, which dogs them until election then LNP has a smashing victory and immediately dismantles the anti corruption body. On basis of that experience ALP seen as completely corrupt for next decade. That's what Labor did back in Tasmania during the Bacon/Lennon years. Those dirty fuckers were so in the back pocket of Gunns it was sickening. Good loving riddance.
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How retroactive could it be though given it's probably going to be massively underfunded.
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Resident Idiot posted:So, another four weeks for NSW. I wonder if they'll take it seriously this time? 4 weeks seems incredibly optimistic
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Konomex posted:The ringtail possum came out of its tree hollow today and sadly saw its shadow, meaning another 4 weeks of lockdown for NSW. Australia, notable for not having any native animals that burrow.
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Centusin posted:Who isn't taking it seriously? The people working essential jobs locked into their LGA's or the government that locked them in there and implemented a 10km limit for everyone else? Everything non-essential is closed, outdoor masks are pointless because there are no cases of outdoor transmission, a curfew doesn't stop essential workers going to work and that and households is where the transmission is happening based off of every single statement and piece of data released. You'll find that people are not complying with the rules and taking risks. Anecdotally: Not shopping alone, not social distancing in parks, visiting peoples homes.
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Solemn Sloth posted:4 weeks seems incredibly optimistic At least it's not "Just 2 more weeks" or "taking it day by day" - loving be real with people.
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A good and logical course of action to stop this outbreak in NSW is to do less of a lockdown than the other states that have successfully dealt with an outbreak.
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Removing out of pocket costs for cancer treatment and dental? No, higher income tax cuts! Spoken by Lionel Hutz for the Australian Labor Party, Canberra
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Amoeba102 posted:You'll find that people are not complying with the rules and taking risks. Anecdotally: Not shopping alone, not social distancing in parks, visiting peoples homes. The third one here is the problem, not the first two. The other problem seems to be that it's got its hooks into the essential worker suburbs which is a problem with no easy answer. When you can pass it on even before you become symptomatic that's a huge, huge issue when it's circulating in a community full of truck drivers, shelf stackers, nurses, carers and tradies.
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The first one isn't really an issue - as any family member is going to get it from the lone shopper that gets unlucky. The second is an issue when you have people from different households in close contact - such as kids on play equipment. But that's just some examples - the main point is that some people aren't taking it seriously enough to follow the rules. It's to different degrees. You have the range from, kids playing all the way up to holding protests, secret parties, fleeing Sydney and illegally crossing into queensland. Some people aren't taking the attitude of "this is serious and i should minimise what i do", they are taking the attitude of "I'll do whatever I think I can get away with". Proportion wise it's hard to tell, but I don't have much faith in Sydneysiders on the whole.
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Zenithe posted:Australia, notable for not having any native animals that burrow. Look, I thought about it. But I don't think the magical powers of determining whether events continue based on seeing your shadow were bestowed via burrowing underground, but were probably some genetic mutation. Therefore, the most squirrel like animal won out.
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All of those things also happened during Victoria's big lockdown, except kids on playgrounds, which probably wasn't necessary since the risks of outdoor transmission and transmission between children are miniscule.Amoeba102 posted:Some people aren't taking the attitude of "this is serious and i should minimise what i do", they are taking the attitude of "I'll do whatever I think I can get away with". This in particular is the attitude of most people everywhere, not just Sydney. The day the 5km limit was announced in Melbourne the Age put a radius calculator on its website. Fortunately lockdowns still work even when people take this attitude. They just take way longer when you let the fire burn out of control like NSW inexplicably did.
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Looking forward to when Brisbane locks down not from a Sydney case getting in but yet another plague hotel leak.
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Palmer going international with the members for Manilla and Independent State of Croatia. Some real political heavyweights.
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