ExcessBLarg! posted:

Say they decide to support the Proton version as first class with QA and all, especially for something like the Deck. Does it really matter then if it isn't "native"?

The 7th Guest posted:

I would not get too excited about VR on this thing... I mean, yes, it's more powerful than the hardware in the quest, but iGPU and VR are a bad combination. you'll likely have to bring the resolution scale down a lot, on top of cranking the graphical settings down. and then streaming to the quest will be a hit on the CPU as well

even with an i7-10k and overclocked 3070, my hp reverb g2 will have trouble hitting 100% resolution scale on some games. (luckily the reverb has a pretty high internal resolution so even 80-some precent looks pretty sharp)

Hammer Bro. posted:

I've been following Godot pretty closely for the last few years. The polls come out and the overwhelming voting userbase identify as white males between like 18 and 34 working solo on non-commercial projects, though interestingly with a pretty even split between North America and Europe. So lots of hobbyists.

But it's definitely been getting a lot of more formal attention over the last year, grants from foundations and funds from Patreon and whatnot, so it's definitely on its way toward emerging into the mainstream. And it is a joy to work with.

I'm actually concerned its popularity is going to water down its vision from a technical perspective. Like when they did a vote on which other programming languages they should support with officially maintained plugins, Rust made a showing.

Fortunately the devs called that one out as boneheaded.

The thing that got me to justify my preorder was actually the idea of running Godot portably so I can work on my hobby games on the go with controllers built-in. Which I immediately recognized as wildly unrealistic unless I can figure out how to get a reasonably portable keyboard that's good for lots of typing on. But then I fantasized drawing graphics using the touchscreen. Hopefully the touch screen supports glove-and-pencil style drawing.

sigher posted:

More stuff from IGN talking to Gabe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kO6Dj2XNfY

Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:

to be fair, that's also what he said about the steam controller. And, well,

MarcusSA posted:

I’ll admit I’ve never used one but since the deck was announced I have seen quite a few positive reviews of the steam controller.

That being said I won’t ever actually use one because I like my Xbox controller just fine.

homeless snail posted:

You will if you're buying a Steam Deck

repiv posted:

v1ld posted:

Bought my dad a 42W PD car charger for $15 recently and his Pixel 4A seems fine with it.

Here's a 65W PD3.0: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B08F25BP4X/

E: Also supports PPS. Pretty nice for what it is. Can do 65W over just USB C alone or 45W + 18W if both slots are in use.

I'd be surprised if the Deck went over 60W since you need 5A certified cables at that point and it's unlikely they'll require a cable that most folks either won't have or won't be able to tell from the common 3A cable.

CharlestheHammer posted:

The steam controller seems to be a person loves or hates it kind of thing. Which the deck will probably be as well

The 7th Guest posted:

I would not get too excited about VR on this thing... I mean, yes, it's more powerful than the hardware in the quest, but iGPU and VR are a bad combination. you'll likely have to bring the resolution scale down a lot, on top of cranking the graphical settings down. and then streaming to the quest will be a hit on the CPU as well

even with an i7-10k and overclocked 3070, my hp reverb g2 will have trouble hitting 100% resolution scale on some games. (luckily the reverb has a pretty high internal resolution so even 80-some precent looks pretty sharp)

Hammer Bro. posted:

I thought you identified as a sunken luxury cruise liner. Makes sense that you'd be posting in the Steam/Deck thread. (Former Star Citizen thread lurker; thanks for all the laughs).

And yeah Godot both benefits and suffers from being historically primarily developed by the people who wanted to use it. Most of the brick walls I've ran into actually had elegant solutions once I found out about them, but they weren't always obvious nor initially intuitive to me. It smacks very much of the kind of software I write at my day job where priority #1 is to get the stuff done in a way that works well for me myself. Documentation comes later if at all. And if people wanna go about doing it the wrong way that's fine; the knowledge that there's a better way to do it is enough to avoid pondering the fact that so many people are initially inclined to do it wrong.

I've only done a bit with shaders and lighting, so I'm very willing to believe it's one of those weak spots where the devs didn't really have a need for it. It's interesting to see how things change as it garners interest and funding.

I think what turned me off of Unity was that 2D was a second class citizen, a special case of 3D, whereas my main interest lie in making 2D sprite-based games. Which these days require shader magic to accomplish 8-bit palette swaps.

Uh also now that I think about it I have added features to the core Godot engine code for my own personal use. I should probably document them. Maybe even tell other people about them...

Hammer Bro. posted:

Yeah. I'll enjoy it as a hobby device regardless, but my casual gaming engagement will go way up if they nail that suspend/resume functionality like the Switch had.

Even modern awesome games like Yakuza 7 don't always have the option to stow it when life interrupts. Which in turn usually prevents me from opening up games in the first place.

MarcusSA posted:

Yeah the suspend / resume feature is huge for mobile gaming. Like on my devices now it is kinda a pain in the rear end to have to quit the game when I just want to put the device down for a little while.

I accidentally hit the power button on my aya Neo while dragons dogma was running and I was pretty surprised the game didn’t freak out and crash when I came back.

repiv posted:

the deck doesn't have thunderbolt or usb4 so external gpus are a no-go

MarcusSA posted:

If community support is good this thing could really work great. Part of the problem now for me at least is always having to go to the aya Neo discord to ask questions about how people are running some games.

sigher posted:

With this thing being a PC, how are drivers and updates going to work? Will SteamOS just provide all updates or will I have to go to AMD's site for the newest drivers? If you're running Windows you'll be doing everything like you usually would but I guess here they'd have to update everything straight up through Steam itself. I think I remember Steam actually having driver downloads at some point. Would AMD make drivers purpose built for this thing?

sigher posted:

With this thing being a PC, how are drivers and updates going to work? Will SteamOS just provide all updates or will I have to go to AMD's site for the newest drivers? If you're running Windows you'll be doing everything like you usually would but I guess here they'd have to update everything straight up through Steam itself. I think I remember Steam actually having driver downloads at some point. Would AMD make drivers purpose built for this thing?

Dramicus posted:

sigher posted:

With this thing being a PC, how are drivers and updates going to work? Will SteamOS just provide all updates or will I have to go to AMD's site for the newest drivers? If you're running Windows you'll be doing everything like you usually would but I guess here they'd have to update everything straight up through Steam itself. I think I remember Steam actually having driver downloads at some point. Would AMD make drivers purpose built for this thing?

Dr. Fishopolis posted:

It'll certainly be better than the aya neo, just on account of the fact that they're making a shitload and selling 'em cheap.

steamos will almost certainly be a monolithic update, i doubt you'll have to worry about that. amd is, of course, building drivers for it, it wouldn't work otherwise.

Fantastic Foreskin posted:

Given that they're rolling their own OS I'd imagine you're entirely dependent on Valve but the mobile driver space isn't straightforward. A while back AMD announced they'd be providing their own graphics drivers after laptop manufacturers just didn't provide any, severely hampering AMD laptop performance.

MarcusSA posted:

Yeah steamOS is going to have to work just like Windows with auto updates and driver updates.