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https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1421855112180518913 https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1421867952849235975 As a fully-vaccinated non-senior, just based on back-of-the-envelope math, it must be something like 20x more like I am hospitalized due to a car crash I am not saying that to say we should take no COVID precautions because there are various dangers in our world I am saying that because, "well, what will the legacy of your death be" is a preposterous question that thus far may not have even been shown to be possible to me or a person like me Also consider that all vaccines have declining effectiveness for people 65+, so again, I am celebrating how good these vaccines are
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Pinecone Sample posted:As a fully-vaccinated non-senior, just based on back-of-the-envelope math, it must be something like 20x more like I am hospitalized due to a car crash
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Pinecone Sample posted:https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1421855112180518913 I appreciate your post. I'm 50 but I also know how car crashes are in the main way people get hurt in the US and I so appreciate seeing the comparison for hospitalization causes. It's completely acceptable to be reminded of the relative risks and feel relieved. It's a good thing 
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Aug 1, 2021 20:56
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Zugzwang posted:Before you celebrate too much, did you recall the part where kids can't get vaccinated for covid yet, or where the vaccinated seem to be spreading this thing just like the unvaccinated because its preferred hangout (the nose) is a good hideout from the circulatory immune system? I don't know what any of that has to do with being told that my death would be held up as an example by antivaxers, but sure, yes, I agree with you that as a society we are a long way from out of the woods. I don't accept your idea that the vaccinated are spreading this thing just like the unvaccinated. The breakthrough-vaccinated have the capacity at a point in time to spread it just like the unvaccinated, depending on who they are present with indoors, if you want to say that.
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I'm not going to respond to the rest of it, and I'm not trying to be a doomer here, you can even look through my post history on this thread and see I'm really not one. But this specific piece is the single most dishonest stat I keep seeing people cling to. It uses the same exact logic as someone saying "99% of people in the US didn't catch covid, why worry?" this time last year. It's essentially using a backwards version of attack rate, in a context where attack rate isn't even useful. A far more useful stat to use are the various efficacy studies that have been done. Hell, even the Israel study had it at 64% effective at preventing even asymptomatic infection. There's plenty of reason to celebrate vaccines, but you can do so with actual efficacy numbers, not a bullshit dishonest framing of statistics.
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Aug 1, 2021 21:01
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:My dad's been taking it every week/day? (his story changes) for months and he can't keep his poo poo straight anymore. He randomly lashes out and hears voices while he's sitting around. He falls asleep at the drop of a hat. I use this stuff on my sheep and it doesn't do that to any of them, but I have no idea what it's doing to my father; who I've told to stop repeatedly. He's feeding it to my mom (she knows, she just doesn't care) and her creatinine is creeping up. Rat your stupid father out to the local shops and make it very clear to the managers that you will sue the poo poo out of them if your parents get sick from farm meds they sold them after being told that the buyer was outright lying to them about human use.
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wilderthanmild posted:I'm not going to respond to the rest of it, and I'm not trying to be a doomer here, you can even look through my post history on this thread and see I'm really not one. But this specific piece is the single most dishonest stat I keep seeing people cling to. yeah it's a bad statistic
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Norway is still lagging behind the EU in fully vaccinated people I see, atleast vaccine hesitancy is pretty low, and we're up to 82.8% of adults with 1 dose, 42% with both. I do wonder how many countries will actually reach 90%+.
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John_A_Tallon posted:Rat your stupid father out to the local shops and make it very clear to the managers that you will sue the poo poo out of them if your parents get sick from farm meds they sold them after being told that the buyer was outright lying to them about human use. This. Also, re: brain damage from roni, I'm curious if that's mitigated at all by being vaccinated. I know it's early days with people being vaccinated, but I'd love to know if this would help. I got one of my good friends to get his vax by telling him about long covid and possible brain damage. He was a wait and see on side effects guy.
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I see Israel at 62% fully vaccinated at Ourworldindata (July 31st data), and 66.84% with at least one dose. Why does this guy have them at ... I dunno, but less than 60? When I look at the same graph on ourworldindata, it shows 130 doses per 100 for Canada and 128 for Israel, which matches up with everything exxcept his Y axis. Hippie Hedgehog fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Aug 1, 2021 |
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I'm still struggling with the idea of counties that, after all that's happened, still have a vaccination rate of less than 20%.
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ShadowHawk posted:I'm still struggling with the idea of counties that, after all that's happened, still have a vaccination rate of less than 20%. I know someone smart that isn't vaxxed. I absolutely do not get it. They believe that the chances of down the road injury from the vaccine is greater than injury from covid. It greatly saddens me. The odds that they are correct are so bad. 
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Aug 1, 2021 22:14
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Pinecone Sample posted:I don't accept your idea that the vaccinated are spreading this thing just like the unvaccinated. The breakthrough-vaccinated have the capacity at a point in time to spread it just like the unvaccinated, depending on who they are present with indoors, if you want to say that. You don't have to accept it, but the scientific evidence is suggesting that it's true (or close to being true). Do not fall into the trap of thinking that only breakthrough cases spread the virus.
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Aug 1, 2021 22:16
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ShadowHawk posted:I'm still struggling with the idea of counties that, after all that's happened, still have a vaccination rate of less than 20%. My mom lives out in rural PA in an area where COVID hasn't had a big breakout and I wouldn't be shocked if it's around 20% there. Neither her nor any of her local friends have been vaccinated and they all hang out together unmasked a few nights a week, many of them are 50-60+. They're basically treating it like they live in a protected island and COVID is something cityfolk have to deal with (while still taking visits from friends and family from all over). Until last weekend at least, now they all have second-hand exposure to COVID and are all currently quarantined waiting to see if anyone gets sick. I wouldn't be shocked if that made them evaluate their choices. I also wouldn't be shocked if they were having another barn party next weekend. Oh well. My mom at least claims she's taking COVID as seriously as she's taking her refusal to get vaccinated now, in that she's planning to hole up in her house and not accept visitors until COVID miraculously goes away.
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QuarkJets posted:You don't have to accept it, but the scientific evidence is suggesting that it's true (or close to being true). Do not fall into the trap of thinking that only breakthrough cases spread the virus. So this is a thing that seems to be getting mixed up quite a bit. When you're saying "breakthrough" you're referring to symptomatic cases in vaccinated people, right? Because the big thing that changed recently was the understanding that asymptomatic vaccinated cases have viral loads similar to the unvaccinated ones, and that viral load is sufficient to spread the virus. I've seen a lot of people implying the change is actually that vaccinated people get infected just as often, but are asymptomatic, which seems to be a mistake, unless they are referring to something that is in neither the CDC leaked slide deck nor the recently published report from the outbreak in MA.
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Spinz posted:I know someone who thinks they're smart but is actually dumb as hell that isn't vaxxed. FTFY. But seriously many, maybe the majority of people, simply can't contextualize risk in the way needed to combat Covid. That's probably been true for decades, and it may have been worse in the past (less access to education, leaded gasoline), but thanks to conservative and social media spreading conspiratorial thinking, now many just completely distrust government institutions. Yes the CDC and the WHO got it wrong initially with lockdowns and mask mandates, but even if they'd gotten it right, it wouldn't have changed any opinions in the anti-vax and anti-mask crowd. DickParasite fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Aug 1, 2021 |
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ShadowHawk posted:I'm still struggling with the idea of counties that, after all that's happened, still have a vaccination rate of less than 20%. There's one in Ohio and it's a majority Amish county. Combine typical rural chuds with that and it's really easy to end up with a teeny tiny vaccination rate.
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Aug 1, 2021 22:31
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wilderthanmild posted:I've seen a lot of people implying the change is actually that vaccinated people get infected just as often, but are asymptomatic, which seems to be a mistake, unless they are referring to something that is in neither the CDC leaked slide deck nor the recently published report from the outbreak in MA. https://twitter.com/MarcGoldwein/status/1421098255144869890 The underlying article has correct information but the headline is very clearly poorly worded at best (and still hasn't been corrected). Subtitle, not headline posted:Infections in vaccinated Americans are rare, compared with those in unvaccinated people, the document said. But when they occur, vaccinated people may spread the virus just as easily.
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Right now it is a bit premature to draw too many conclusions from the study I'm linking below since the sample size isn't massive, but there is some evidence that the Delta variant is far more likely to breakthrough natural immunity (obtained from a previous infection of an earlier SARS-CoV-2 variant) than the vaccine-induced immunity from two doses of the approved mRNA vaccines. Source comes from a study mentioned in this MedCram video at 7:00 through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RWGh19yTXw We should keep an eye out for SARS-CoV-2 reinfections by Delta from people who were never vaccinated but were previously infected by an earlier variant of SARS-CoV-2. I suspect we'll see significantly more of those situations given the data obtained from this study than we will of people who were double-mRNA-vaccinated and then got infected. TL;DR: Get vaccinated immediately if you aren't. Even if you previously have been infected by SARS-CoV-2. Ideally by the mRNA vaccines.
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ShadowHawk posted:I'm still struggling with the idea of counties that, after all that's happened, still have a vaccination rate of less than 20%. welcome to rural nc. i have such sights to show you. but i recommend masking up first.
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I thought it was pretty much established that post-infection immunity is significantly weaker than vaccine-prompted immunity when it comes to covid.
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The local blood donation people don't test blood for covid and say there is no evidence for covid being transmitted by blood, is that real?
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It's a blood vessel disease that enters the bloodstream through the lungs! That has to be wrong
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rt4 posted:It's a blood vessel disease that enters the bloodstream through the lungs! That has to be wrong NHS Blood also aren't concerned with transmission via blood (although of course they don't want you coming in when infected).
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I thought it was pretty much established that post-infection immunity is significantly weaker than vaccine-prompted immunity when it comes to covid. This sucks, we were hoping our 4 year old having caught it already would give her a little bit of an edge against reinfection.
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The Last Call posted:https://twitter.com/DWUhlfelderLaw/status/1421873311420755968 I wonder if they have decided that covid’s propensity for causing brain damage in survivors is going to be a source of millions of new republican voters.
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A Strange Aeon posted:This sucks, we were hoping our 4 year old having caught it already would give her a little bit of an edge against reinfection. I'm not a doctor, but from what I have picked up in the last year it does seem that vaccination provides better long-term immunity than infection. Infection followed by vaccination seems to confer really good protection, so if it's any comfort I would think she does have some level of immunity already, and once she can get vaccinated then it should be really solid.
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My brother's girlfriend just had a baby on Friday. They're already home and wanting visitors despite the fact there is covid all over (we had 2k new cases in my state today). I already told my mom/baby's grandmother we are not going over for a while. Meanwhile other family members have already visited.
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Cowslips Warren posted:My brother's girlfriend just had a baby on Friday. They're already home and wanting visitors despite the fact there is covid all over (we had 2k new cases in my state today). I already told my mom/baby's grandmother we are not going over for a while. Meanwhile other family members have already visited. Even ignoring covid that's just a horrible idea. RSV is rampant right now and a newborn with RSV is going to end up in intensive care.
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I dont actively wish death upon anyone but watching red states Darwin themselves to death is just hilarious. I don’t feel bad or pity anymore.
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AHH F/UGH posted:I dont actively wish death upon anyone but watching red states Darwin themselves to death is just hilarious. I don’t feel bad or pity anymore. I do feel bad, while some of them are surely dicks, I believe the majority just don't have the social environment to avoid misinformation, it's not their fault. What cognitive biases are we vulnerable to? I hope someone is kind to me when I'm old and believe aliens are among us or whatever. I guess being online all these years before Facebook allowed me to be more skeptical of whatever trash they see on social networks. Same with the youngs today seeing tiktok people telling them vaccines make you magnetic, they're fuuuuucked. (unless society does something about it NOW) I blame facebook, users should demand some fact checking instead of letting every poo poo theory fly and let them believe they've uncovered a conspiracy The ability to report your local streetlight is broken on facebook doesn't mean you're about to crack the secret illuminati code agghh I hate facebook so much
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:My dad's been taking it every week/day? (his story changes) for months and he can't keep his poo poo straight anymore. He randomly lashes out and hears voices while he's sitting around. He falls asleep at the drop of a hat. I'm not a doctor, but... um... there might be bigger problems here.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:I do feel bad, while some of them are surely dicks, I believe the majority just don't have the social environment to avoid misinformation, it's not their fault. This is horseshit.
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AHH F/UGH posted:I dont actively wish death upon anyone but watching red states Darwin themselves to death is just hilarious. I don’t feel bad or pity anymore. I don't feel bad for the chuds inflicting covid on themselves and each other, I expect Sturgis will become a deep trough of well-deserved ridicule. I do feel bad for the millions of normal people who have to work with or serve chuds on a daily basis, and not just because of the covid risk
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QuarkJets posted:I don't feel bad for the chuds inflicting covid on themselves and each other, I expect Sturgis will become a deep trough of well-deserved ridicule. I do feel bad for the millions of normal people who have to work with or serve chuds on a daily basis, and not just because of the covid risk I also feel bad for their families. Even when your mom/dad/brother/whatever is a chud, a lot of the time you still love them and don't want them to die of this. I am very thankful my right wing parents were miraculously not dumb about this one thing.
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Crankit posted:The local blood donation people don't test blood for covid and say there is no evidence for covid being transmitted by blood, is that real? This isn't just for covid - they try to screen out all manner of cold/flu-like symptoms in the same way. That's why you can only donate when you're feeling well and healthy, and if you get sick in the next few days they give you a number to call to report that your blood is bad.
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