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agreed he is a sentient mustache with white characteristics
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Aug 3, 2021 16:06
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Falstaff posted:Did they have anything interesting to say about those protests? https://novaramedia.com/2021/07/20/whats-actually-going-on-in-cuba/
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Aug 3, 2021 16:47
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gradenko_2000 posted:(thank you for all the kind words. I will continue posting excerpts as I find interesting bits that don't take up too many pages) please post anything interesting you find about race relations in cuba, because i know on one hand the revolution leveled a bunch of plantations and sent troops abroad to fight in various african liberation struggles but on the other hand apparently darker-skinned cubans have been consistently jailed the most and elevated to government positions the least, etc
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Aug 3, 2021 17:06
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Ardennes posted:Leningrad would have still had a tight defense around it and US bombers would have to claw their way through an aggressive defense to get to the city. Also, if a bomber gets shot down, not only is it a loss of a hard to replace nuke but it maybe be captured by the other side. If anything I would think it would be last resort weapons (also they would be very clumsy for battlefield use). yeah that issue would be even if the united states could obliterate the soviet unions industrial capacity via bombing we still did not have anywhere close to the manpower and supplies to push to moscow, in fact there was a high chance that we'd end up losing more of europe! we just didn't have the manpower to expand our empire anymore at that point and nukes were basically the way of ensuring the borders we'd pushed to stayed in place.
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Aug 3, 2021 17:31
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the Soviet union did not and could not fail. instead it was failed
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Aug 3, 2021 21:41
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https://twitter.com/Lefty_Jew/status/1422599359791730692 This is really cool, I didn't know that Tito was involved with funding communist insurgencies.
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Aug 4, 2021 00:14
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tito was bigly into all kinds of non-aligned/third world stuff, and taking yugoslav help didn't put a target on you the way taking soviet aid did so iirc yugoslav specialists were pretty highly sought after in a lot of the post-colonial world
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Aug 4, 2021 01:11
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i do not think stalin could've mobilised the soviet people, who'd just endured unimaginable hardships, for a continued war against the people who'd just been their allies without an extremely good reason tbh
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Aug 4, 2021 01:13
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also partly the reason why so many sought to reduce it to a bunch of vile little ethnostates
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Aug 4, 2021 01:13
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V. Illych L. posted:i do not think stalin could've mobilised the soviet people, who'd just endured unimaginable hardships, for a continued war against the people who'd just been their allies without an extremely good reason tbh the ussr lost tens of millions of people in the war, that they managed to keep going a few decades despite a demographic wipeout of the male working age population and the USA trying to grind their economic and trade foreign relations to dust in the aftermath was loving insane
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Aug 4, 2021 01:56
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V. Illych L. posted:i do not think stalin could've mobilised the soviet people, who'd just endured unimaginable hardships, for a continued war against the people who'd just been their allies without an extremely good reason tbh Both sides knew that their casus belli would be extremely weak just based on the optics. A Third World War didn’t happen because neither side felt they could achieve a relatively swift and the the more that thermal nuclear weapons entered the picture in the 1950s, it became even muddier.
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Aug 4, 2021 02:55
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Ardennes posted:Both sides knew that their casus belli would be extremely weak just based on the optics. I think both sides realized that one side being put in a position where they felt they had to strike first was the second largest danger, right after one side accidentally striking first. Ironically the Soviets had an actual doomsday device and it deecsalated tensions because they didn't have to worry about false alarms accidentally causing them to strike first and they had no intention of striking first themselves under the conditions of the time.
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Aug 4, 2021 03:02
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dead gay comedy forums posted:I think it's a fair call to say that. There's the thing - among some of us at least - where the criticism of such problems is understood as a matter of faith rather than a practical problem, like, taking shots at Soviet bureaucracy during Stalin is necessarily Trotskyist so gently caress you etc, which misses the point entirely, which is to find why those problems happened in the first place - this is as practical as Marxism as can be. jackie chan (lol) says that the CPC is very welcoming of self-criticism behind closed doors embarrassing china is the forbidden thing anyone think it's true? how would we know? for that matter, how the heck does he know?
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Aug 4, 2021 04:50
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Anime Bernie Bro posted:jackie chan (lol) says that the CPC is very welcoming of self-criticism behind closed doors That is the definition of democratic centralism.
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Aug 4, 2021 05:53
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tbh my life as an American has shown that allowing public criticism has ultimately little to no effect on who holds power
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Aug 4, 2021 06:01
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Raskolnikov38 posted:tbh my life as an American has shown that allowing public criticism has ultimately little to no effect on who holds power but think of all the frustration caused by pitting exhausted commuters against peaceful and scheduled protesters
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Aug 4, 2021 06:10
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Raskolnikov38 posted:tbh my life as an American has shown that allowing public criticism has ultimately little to no effect on who holds power id rather have public protests banned outright than persist in this delusion that it does anything
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Aug 4, 2021 06:51
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Continuing my reading 1.  ___ 2.  The succeeding page notes that based on the fuel-cost savings, the Cuban state essentially amortized the investment costs of buying all of these appliances in less than two years, and Fidel Castro remarked that the savings of 250,000 tons of oil imports from reduced energy demands was "like finding a great oil deposit" all by itself. ___ 3.  ___ This next chapter is on Cuba's Biotech industry 4.  ___ 5.  The succeeding page also notes that the University Reform Law of 1962 opened up universities to peasants, workers, non-white Cubans, and their children, while also eliminating all fees and nationalizing the schools. ___ 6.  ___ 7.  The succeeding page also notes that infant mortality went down, and life expectancy went up, during the Special Period, despite the circumstances of the crisis. ___ 8.  Ferrinus posted:please post anything interesting you find about race relations in cuba, because i know on one hand the revolution leveled a bunch of plantations and sent troops abroad to fight in various african liberation struggles but on the other hand apparently darker-skinned cubans have been consistently jailed the most and elevated to government positions the least, etc the only thing I've picked up on race relations in previous pages has been this passage: quote:By 2011, 43,000 young people had qualified as social workers: ‘a mass of youth and women’ and a high proportion of them non-white.
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Aug 4, 2021 08:02
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These excerpts are great, keep them coming. Cuba is inspirational
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Aug 4, 2021 08:15
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Yaffes book seems to be very much 'the case for Cuba' I suspect you won't find a lot of negatives being presented in it. That isn't to say she's wrong or being misleading in what she is saying, but it's not a critical evaluation of all of Cuba.
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Aug 4, 2021 08:16
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namesake posted:Yaffes book seems to be very much 'the case for Cuba' I suspect you won't find a lot of negatives being presented in it. That isn't to say she's wrong or being misleading in what she is saying, but it's not a critical evaluation of all of Cuba. I also read Samuel Farber's "Cuba Since the Revolution of 1959" at the start of this year, which is like if Jacobin wrote an article about Why Cuba Bad Actually
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Aug 4, 2021 08:22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPO76Jlnz6c
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Aug 4, 2021 08:34
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namesake posted:Yaffes book seems to be very much 'the case for Cuba' I suspect you won't find a lot of negatives being presented in it. That isn't to say she's wrong or being misleading in what she is saying, but it's not a critical evaluation of all of Cuba. thank u for ensuring this thread remains free of joy
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Aug 4, 2021 08:56
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Being happy is revisionist
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Aug 4, 2021 09:05
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Good to see that basic source analysis is now liberalism or something. I'm not even arguing with what is being said!
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Aug 4, 2021 09:12
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://twitter.com/Lefty_Jew/status/1422599359791730692 big fan of tito honestly
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Aug 4, 2021 09:21
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gradenko_2000 posted:
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Aug 4, 2021 10:21
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who wants to go to marxism college at tsinghua university? everyone? oh good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-PJX1CcPBI&t=142s
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Aug 4, 2021 10:52
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:who wants to go to marxism college at tsinghua university? everyone? oh good why is he dressed like a catholic priest lol
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Aug 4, 2021 13:03
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Falstaff posted:Did they have anything interesting to say about those protests? https://twitter.com/HelenYaffe/status/1422882238782480391 TL; DR: * the tightening of sanctions under the Trump administration (and Biden's refusal to relax them, and indeed have tightened them further in response to the recent protests) have induced economic hardship on Cuba similar to the Special Period * the COVID crisis has prevented Cubans from being able to deal with the hardships the way they might have done under the Special Period. It's hard to use back-channel ways of accessing critical goods, or drawing closer together to pool resources, when COVID mitigation measures are intended to reduce socialization * there were definitely anti-government protests that erupted on July 11th, as triggered by these circumstances * in response, the Cuban government called upon the people to rally around the government and show their support, and she seems to imply that these rallies were much larger than the protests * the only real answer to address these issues, as it has always been, is for the US to lift the blockade
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Aug 4, 2021 13:48
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I am skeptical that the conditions are as bad as the special period though, that was a near complete collapse of trade. I would say there is no doubt pressure being placed on Cuba but I don't know if it would be as extreme as that. I mean are people going back to meat-substitute recipes?
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Aug 4, 2021 14:58
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Ardennes posted:I am skeptical that the conditions are as bad as the special period though, that was a near complete collapse of trade. I would say there is no doubt pressure being placed on Cuba but I don't know if it would be as extreme as that. that's why I said "similar" - while she did reference the Special Period, I didn't get the sense that the author meant "as bad as" necessarily, and I tend to agree with your view
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Aug 4, 2021 15:09
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namesake posted:Yaffes book seems to be very much 'the case for Cuba' I suspect you won't find a lot of negatives being presented in it. That isn't to say she's wrong or being misleading in what she is saying, but it's not a critical evaluation of all of Cuba. as if there's isn't enough criticism already geez edit: I am just nagging, in case it wasn't clear lol
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Aug 4, 2021 15:16
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namesake posted:Good to see that basic source analysis is now liberalism or something. I’m just teasing you buddy
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Aug 4, 2021 16:56
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Is there any good writing on Art and communism? I'm curious about reading both the artist's and the party's perspectives.
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Aug 4, 2021 17:05
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gradenko_2000 posted:Continuing my reading cuba owns but this is saddening because the result of the US using the global financial system as a weapon means they couldn't pull it off today; all those danish and spanish companies would've pulled out of the initial deal out of fear of being sanctioned or fined
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Aug 4, 2021 17:05
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bobmarleysghost posted:Is there any good writing on Art and communism? You could start here.
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Aug 4, 2021 22:12
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Thanks!
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Aug 4, 2021 22:21
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Art is fart
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Aug 4, 2021 22:35
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bobmarleysghost posted:Is there any good writing on Art and communism? there's a lot and a lot more after that Marxist aesthetics is one hell of a field and has several governments that have official and/or covert policies against it in the West
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Aug 4, 2021 22:52
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