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Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

There are limits on the “best effort” policy, such as

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18534423/ibackpack-ftc-lawsuit-complaint-indiegogo-kickstarter

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IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





"Up Front" I think is what I think of when I try to think of lovely Kickstarters that were funded and did not appear to be obvious scams at first. https://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters/comments/34lndf/up_front_card_game_creator_didnt_disclose_he_was/

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

IncredibleIgloo posted:

"Up Front" I think is what I think of when I try to think of lovely Kickstarters that were funded and did not appear to be obvious scams at first. https://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters/comments/34lndf/up_front_card_game_creator_didnt_disclose_he_was/

Yeah, I backed that...he did release all the card art during campaign updates at least, so I printed up a set a few years ago.

fischtick
Jul 9, 2001

CORGO, THE DESTROYER

Fun Shoe

Infinitum posted:

Aug 3 - Bug Council of Backyardia - KS Page - Very cute looking trick taking game.

This looks really cute and I love me a trick-taking game. Backed, and thanks!

Stickman
Feb 1, 2004

zachol posted:

What kind of legal action could you take against a kickstarter? I thought it was understood that a project could just fall through, or even be literal fraud with no intentions of ever delivering a product. I mean people get pissed all the time if and when that happens, it's not "commonly understood," but in terms of legal consequences I thought that's how it worked?
Like, every kickstarter I've ever supported has been with the understanding that it could just disappear into the air and the only consequences would be raising a stink and losing some reputation. The idea of actually suing is wild.

Investment fraud is illegal and is subject to civil suits and/or criminal charges, depending on the situation. See Washington state winning restitution for Washington state investors and civil penalties for resident investors of a non-responsive kickstarter.

Kickstarter themselves likely won't be held responsible unless they knowingly conspire with a fraudulent scheme, but project managers can absolutely be held liable for the promises that they make to attract investors. Most failed kickstarters won't involve lawsuits because of the logistical difficulty and cost, but taking money through kickstarter isn't a free fraud pass.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


I think I'm not going to back Arydia, even though I really like it, and I was going to do a really big post about why except it boils down to 2 really simple things for me
- I'm already backing Frosthaven
- This is a board game attempting to be a video game.

Again to me personally everything about this game looks great, I just don't have room for it in my collection.

fischtick posted:

This looks really cute and I love me a trick-taking game. Backed, and thanks!

I have backed this, and it looks great. I worry it's not getting enough coverage because it launched alongside 20 bajillion other games.

They showed off some art today and it's fantastic :3:



"Oh you're approaching me" Mosquito :allears:

sasha_d3ath
Jun 3, 2016

Ban-thing the man-things.
Yesterday I want live with EVERY GOD WILL FALL: The Sticker Set!



I've got eight sticker designs based on the zany li'l boys from my book EVERY GOD WILL FALL for Mork Borg. EVERY GOD WILL FALL is a d8 "table" of eight supernatural hirelings with pretensions, delusions, destinies, or mistaken identities of godhood. They're good for pretty much any OSR game where you can befriend weird little dudes!

You can also get the book for just $2.00 in PDF by clicking here for a special DriveThruRPG discount. Huzzah!

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

Akora TCG アコラカード
An original Trading Card game
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akora-tcg/akora-tcg

Just launched.
$69,252
89 Backers
11 Comments

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

"An original anime-inspired TCG". Translation: "we're using a bunch of unlicensed art to attract gullible weebs, we're hoping that nobody notices, and in the unlikely event that the project doesn't get shut down and it funds, you ain't gonna see poo poo."

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

IncredibleIgloo posted:

"Up Front" I think is what I think of when I try to think of lovely Kickstarters that were funded and did not appear to be obvious scams at first. https://www.reddit.com/r/shittykickstarters/comments/34lndf/up_front_card_game_creator_didnt_disclose_he_was/

It was insane to follow the Upfront saga in real time. It started bad and just kept adding badness on, like some never-ending soap opera.

Was there not another old and beloved wargame series (was it Europa?) where there was a decade long saga of promised releases, dribbles of trivial rule tweaks, fires, health problems, tussles with the printer ...

(I think it was Europa - there were running jokes about them mapping different grades of peat across Europe and the strategic implications of this.)

(EDIT: It was Total War, a revision of a Europa game: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/26804/total-war)

Doctor Zero
Sep 21, 2002

Would you like a jelly baby?
It's been in my pocket through 4 regenerations,
but it's still good.

CODChimera posted:

good lord the quality is so bad especially for that price

It's more like someone who doesn't understand manufacturing of miniatures just did a simple 3d render of the artwork and called it a day.


Which is I guess the same thing.

Alien Rope Burn
Dec 5, 2004

I wanna be a saikyo HERO!

JazzFlight posted:

Akora TCG アコラカード
An original Trading Card game
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akora-tcg/akora-tcg

Just launched.
$69,252
89 Backers
11 Comments

Yu-Gi-Ut-Oh.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

JazzFlight posted:

Akora TCG アコラカード
An original Trading Card game
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akora-tcg/akora-tcg

Just launched.
$69,252
89 Backers
11 Comments



It’s amazing, it’s got all the same sort of culty sales hyped up comments as that other one.

Bucnasti
Aug 14, 2012

I'll Fetch My Sarcasm Robes

JazzFlight posted:

Akora TCG アコラカード
An original Trading Card game
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/akora-tcg/akora-tcg

Just launched.
$69,252
89 Backers
11 Comments



What am I missing here? There's 40+ backers at the ~1000$ point.
Are there that many gullible people that think this is the next big thing? or is this some sort of money laundering thing?

Kwyndig
Sep 23, 2006

Heeeeeey


There's always speculators in the CCG market but yeah it is kind of suspicious that there'd be this many on an untried product from a first time developer.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Yeah almost selling out on the highest tier is weird, especially with how below average everything looks.

I also couldn't understand the logic of the other one where he was worried about being bought out of his own company... like... even if is a massive scam, don't you want all that money in the first place?

Some real :psyduck: poo poo going on. Money laundering perhaps?

IncredibleIgloo
Feb 17, 2011





Infinitum posted:


Some real :psyduck: poo poo going on. Money laundering perhaps?

The Star Citizen thread is thataway my fried

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


This is also the second time this thing has been kickstarted and the first time got way less money.

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




But it funded and then...is it actually delivered?

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

Jedit posted:

You're not thinking of Doomtown or Shadowfist, are you? Because both those are legit.

I am in fact thinking of Shadowfist. I know it's been legit in the past, but what I'm wondering is if the new owners are changing it back to a CCG (from the fixed LCG-like distribution model from IKG) to get in on the craze for limited run product.

I mean, they said there was going to be an announcement Friday, so I guess we'll see?

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


I know it's not a $500 unreadable WoW Gamevault mess in all black, but if you wanted a copy of Bagh Chal for $21 ($18 if you're early!)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/froebel/still-more-peg-pastimes-classic-strategy-games-made-in-usa



:v:

StarkRavingMad
Sep 27, 2001


Yams Fan

Infinitum posted:

I know it's not a $500 unreadable WoW Gamevault mess in all black, but if you wanted a copy of Bagh Chal for $21 ($18 if you're early!)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/froebel/still-more-peg-pastimes-classic-strategy-games-made-in-usa



:v:

I mean, I can see the whole board on this, why would I want it

Couldn’t they at least jam some ungodly ugly tower in the center or something

vlad3217
Jul 26, 2005

beer and cheese?!

yaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy!

Infinitum posted:

Bug Council of Backyardia - KS Page - Very cute looking trick taking game.


This thread comes through again, this looks great

Vidmaster
Oct 26, 2002



Infinitum posted:

I know it's not a $500 unreadable WoW Gamevault mess in all black, but if you wanted a copy of Bagh Chal for $21 ($18 if you're early!)
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/froebel/still-more-peg-pastimes-classic-strategy-games-made-in-usa



:v:

Make it a deluxe pledge and add a can of this: https://www.amazon.com/Krylon-K05592007-COLORmaxx-Spray-Aerosol/dp/B07LFXGDWK/

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


silvergoose posted:

But it funded and then...is it actually delivered?

So after actually looking at it more it seems the first one was to get some prototype cards made. There was one comment saying they'd gotten their cards, so it looks like they did ship out some things, which is impressive since their target was December.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




nonathlon posted:

(I think it was Europa - there were running jokes about them mapping different grades of peat across Europe and the strategic implications of this.)

(EDIT: It was Total War, a revision of a Europa game: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/26804/total-war)

Good news, Frank Chadwick went back to the well with a corps-level WW2 series, https://www.gmtgames.com/p-828-thunder-in-the-east.aspx It's still huge but much more reasonable. Only 4 games for the whole was in Europe !


In other news, the Avatar RPG just passed $3.25 million. I think we're going to see some records set.

JazzFlight
Apr 29, 2006

Oooooooooooh!

Hahaha, what is it with horribly lovely scam Kickstarters popping up now?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deteriorationthegame/deterioration-the-game

quote:

Deterioration: The Game
A political board game satirizing America’s Political Left. Made by conservatives for conservatives. Fueled by liberal tears.

Warning: Not suitable for anyone who has recently toppled a statue or insists on wearing a mask while driving.

$11,262 pledged of $5,000 goal
78 backers
1 comment

Hoooooooo boyyyyyyyyyyy.

EDIT: I will say that whole page is comedy gold, holy poo poo.

JazzFlight fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Aug 8, 2021

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

JazzFlight posted:

Hahaha, what is it with horribly lovely scam Kickstarters popping up now?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deteriorationthegame/deterioration-the-game

$11,262 pledged of $5,000 goal
78 backers
1 comment

Hoooooooo boyyyyyyyyyyy.

EDIT: I will say that whole page is comedy gold, holy poo poo.

That has 'take the money and run' written all over it.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Good, honestly. If a scam has to exist, let it separate money from MAGA chuds.

Vox Valentine
May 31, 2013

Solving all of life's problems through enhanced casting of Occam's Razor. Reward yourself with an imaginary chalice.

Man that board art reeks of "I couldn't get a commission from Ben Garrison".

StarkRavingMad
Sep 27, 2001


Yams Fan

JazzFlight posted:

Hahaha, what is it with horribly lovely scam Kickstarters popping up now?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deteriorationthegame/deterioration-the-game

$11,262 pledged of $5,000 goal
78 backers
1 comment

Hoooooooo boyyyyyyyyyyy.

EDIT: I will say that whole page is comedy gold, holy poo poo.

Game mechanics are Candyland mixed with Trump humor Cards Against Humanity, what utter garbage

Chekans 3 16
Jan 2, 2012

No Resetti.
No Continues.



Grimey Drawer
"Feminist Activists brandishing their boobies" lmao

Hollandia
Jul 27, 2007

rattus rattus


Grimey Drawer
So hilarious

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

JazzFlight posted:

Hahaha, what is it with horribly lovely scam Kickstarters popping up now?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deteriorationthegame/deterioration-the-game

$11,262 pledged of $5,000 goal
78 backers
1 comment

Hoooooooo boyyyyyyyyyyy.

EDIT: I will say that whole page is comedy gold, holy poo poo.

This is some of the highest funding I've ever seen for a project like this.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."
Yeah, I want to assume this was an attempt to fleece maga chuds, which is completely fine, gently caress em. But also, these weird political ones never fund, so I’m not sure what’s happening here? Did they self fund for visibility?

Ettin
Oct 2, 2010
Putting "cancel culture" under Risks and Challenges is some excellent grift :discourse:

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


lol Hillary's Emails, offffff course.
gently caress me America, your politics are just the loving worst.

Shout out if this is just 100% a grift by 'The Left'

sasha_d3ath
Jun 3, 2016

Ban-thing the man-things.

SelenicMartian posted:

DUNGEON DEGENERATES

I've been meaning to get into this one, I've been told it's extremely My poo poo.

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ilmucche
Mar 16, 2016

JazzFlight posted:

Hahaha, what is it with horribly lovely scam Kickstarters popping up now?

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/deteriorationthegame/deterioration-the-game

$11,262 pledged of $5,000 goal
78 backers
1 comment

Hoooooooo boyyyyyyyyyyy.

EDIT: I will say that whole page is comedy gold, holy poo poo.

The one comment being a straight faced question about fulfillment and shipping made me laugh. I was expecting something racist/sexist/bigoted etc.

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